899. - Jennifer Venditti

Speaker A: All right, uh, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it 3 times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you? Speaker B: We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place.

Speaker A: All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube. How long gone? Another day in paradise, Jason. The sun is reflecting off the snow. I'm so sick of this bullshit. I can't even begin to express it in words. Speaker B: Fuck snow, fuck ice. Speaker A: Yeah, literally. But, you know, there's, there's a lot going on. There's a lot going on in the world. Some things more important than others. I know that you've already kind of pre-bought tickets to see the Melania documentary.

And yeah, these libs, these libs really can't stop dunking on her, posting the screenshots of the unsold seats in the, in the, in the theater. And it's reminded me of, of the issue we have with touring. You know what I mean? It's the same kind of thing. So I just— no one is safe from not selling tickets is what— even the First Lady of the United States. Speaker B: You're not telling me that Melania is in the Kia Asylum. Speaker A: I think Melania is 100% a resident of the Kia Asylum.

And if you can spend $75 million— Speaker B: so we got Melania, B. Speaker A: Rexha. You can spend $75 million on a documentary about yourself. Produced by Brett Ratner, uh, and directed by Brett Ratner, as it were. Uh, I, you know, I find it all funny, but people seem like really excited that it's failing. And to me it's like, of course it's failing. Like, she's never said— she's never said words in public. Like, I've never heard her talk. Speaker B: Well, you know, like, what— Speaker A: why would I go?

Speaker B: It has a little, uh, has a little Meghan Markle feel to it, where this person is sort of being thrust upon us against our will. Um, but Melania is not even trying. Speaker A: But Meghan Markle wasn't married to someone as reviled, you know what I mean? It's, it's like, it's true, when your husband is like at the height of his awful powers and you put out the movie, I mean, I don't know, it just seems like a crazy— seems like a timing thing. But you know, Bezos had a lot wrapped up in this, we got to get it out in Q1.

Speaker B: Yeah, just for award season. I mean, if there was a documentary about, you know, Hillary Clinton that was also not performing well, you know, the MAGA people would also be posting the screenshots of the empty movie theaters and then also calling for her to be murdered in the town square for Pizzagate or something like that. So, you know, the door swingeth both ways. Speaker A: Oh, of course. Speaker B: And I look for— I mean, both ways. I'm really curious to see what the ratio of people who see Melania because they want to see it versus the people who are gonna like hate watch it for their like catty podcast.

Or the third thing, the people who are being paid $50 to go see it in Florida, apparently. Speaker A: Craigslist. Yeah, I don't think— Speaker B: Craigslist. Speaker A: Craigslist. I don't think that anybody is going to— I think that the joke is too far when it costs money even for the lowest of low podcasters. Speaker B: Yeah, I know, that's what I'm curious about though. But like everyone who does like a Ringer movie podcast, they kind of like are gonna— I guess they'll be able to expense that. Speaker A: But no, they're still watching Marty Supreme.

They can't help themselves. This is their 10th watch of Marty. So they're, they're only going to theaters to see Marty Supreme. Speaker B: I mean, I'm curious to watch the train wreck of it, but yeah, I don't know if I'm gonna drop, you know, $19.95. Speaker A: I just wonder if it's any different. Speaker B: I don't think my Wetzel's Pretzel— Speaker A: I don't think it's any different than any of these other documentaries that people make about themselves. It's just someone that people don't like. Like the Serena Williams documentary was unwatchable.

Speaker B: Sure. And, you know, but she's a beloved charismatic person. Speaker A: Absolutely. And I mean, I care— I wouldn't say charismatic, I would say beloved and extremely talented. But I think the documentary proved— but I'm thinking of other examples, but like the Beckham ones were pretty good. But I just don't— I don't— I think it's a slippery slope. This is obviously going to be bad, you know what I mean? But I, I wonder, uh, I wonder what the final box office totals will be. I'm sure that the, uh, The nerds online will let us know.

Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, just in the same way that, you know, the negative food restaurant review, you know, we're gonna go— Pete Wells is gonna do Guy Fieri's Big Bite Kitchen in Times Square. You want to see this wordsmith eviscerate this stupid creation. And I feel like in the world of Letterboxd, where everyone is now the critic, they're gonna feel as if it's their civic duty to go see Melania Oh, so now they're armed with the content and the material to unleash their fury onto their 76 followers. Speaker A: They're going to— they're going to have their 2017 MacBook overheating in the loft in Bushwick.

Speaker B: The same way that people are like, yeah, I'm going to go try the Panera Bread iced tea that kills people with heart palpitations just to say I did it. Or I'm going to try, you know, the Five Alarm. Speaker A: Yeah, of course. Speaker B: Nashville hot chicken. That's going to be awful, but I got to do a vlog about it because if I don't, then I guess I should just kill myself. Speaker A: It's just those, those don't require— like I say all the time, the time requirement for this is the issue.

It's not just the monetary value. Speaker B: You got to sit there for an hour and 43 minutes. Speaker A: Hour 45. But, you know, people are also talking about Barry Keoghan was on a red carpet last night and people are roasting Barry for looking like a, you know, like a lesbian. But he's playing Ringo, for Christ's sake. Like, what do you— of course he's— I don't mean to defend— I'm not a Barry defender, but if you're playing Ringo Starr in a movie, your hair's got to look like that for a while, you know?

Speaker B: Yeah, but I think we're all just sort of, you know, it's just— it's the uncanny valley of when you see a person with a look and you're like, it doesn't matter if you're in a role or whatever, like, this is disturbing me. Like when we were talking about Jonah Hill when he was looking like a freak for his movie role. Everyone's like, yes, I'm aware that he's playing a ridiculously dressed person with a wig and leopard print pants and, you know, all this crazy shit. I know it's a costume.

I know it's for a role, but still I'm looking at it and it makes me upset. Speaker B: Yeah, but I think we're all just sort of, you know, it's just— it's the uncanny valley of when you see a person with a look and you're like, it doesn't matter if you're in a role or whatever, like, this is disturbing me. Like when we were talking about Jonah Hill when he was looking like a freak for his movie role. Everyone's like, yes, I'm aware that he's playing a ridiculously dressed person with a wig and leopard print pants and, you know, all this crazy shit.

I know it's a costume. I know it's for a role, but still I'm looking at it and it makes me upset. Speaker A: Yeah. No, I get it. Speaker B: I get it. If I'm Barry and I look like that, I'm wearing a hat on the red carpet, bro. Speaker A: I don't know if a hat could contain that. That's the issue. Speaker B: I don't know if it's going to have the airmail trucker hat popping at the seams. Speaker A: There's something because he was also wearing a Maine's tracksuit, which is, which is Skepta's brand, which I, I don't think really worked well with the haircut.

Not, not— no, that's just a personal thing. Speaker B: It appeared to be a leather tracksuit almost. Speaker A: It did. I— it did appear to be a leather tracksuit. It did appear. Speaker B: But let's start off like a leather tracksuit. Speaker A: Let Barry live. He might be good as Ringo, who knows? I mean, that movie's got a lot— we got a lot riding on that. Speaker B: No, no, I, I, I firmly believe that he is a generationally talented actor, and we just need to see him Yeah, you know, in his Daniel Day-Lewis type role of a lifetime.

Speaker A: This is it. Speaker B: I think that he's so twisted mentally that he's got some real, real true chops that you can't really— Speaker A: Yeah, you can't. Yeah, yeah. The only way to get those is to be born crazy. I agree. Speaker A: This is it. Speaker B: I think that he's so twisted mentally that he's got some real, real true chops that you can't really— Speaker A: Yeah, you can't. Yeah, yeah. The only way to get those is to be born crazy. I agree. Speaker B: Look, Sabrina gets it.

She knows. Speaker A: Sabrina, dude, I got to say, Dax Shepard is just having a tough time, bro. When he said— because Marcello went on his podcast and he was like, why don't you date Sabrina Carpenter? If I were you, I would date Sabrina Carpenter. And he was like, I have a girlfriend. She's an architect that went to Yale. I don't know, like, relax. Basically like, bro, you got to chill. And it's like Dax. Dax got— I think the TRT is hitting Dax a little too hard. Speaker B: But also we've talked about scenarios like this before where you're like, okay, that no one is surprised that Dax is fucking, you know, Googling Sabrina Carpenter fake nudes or whatever.

But like, he has a team of 20 people, editors and staff and PAs and managers and blah, blah, blah. And everyone signed off on it. Like, everyone in the room was like, not weird, not creepy, this should definitely make the final cut. Speaker A: I mean, I think that if you work for Dax Shepard, your job is to make sure the numbers continue to stay where they are or go up. And I think that him saying low-key, I want to smash Sabrina Carpenter, but I can't, so you should, young comedian, is— we all know that's good for business.

But I think that I have to say though, in defense of Dax, um, I did not know that Marcelo was in a relationship. So I want to say that that wasn't super public. I wasn't aware of that. And I, you know, I just— that does change things a little bit. Speaker B: So that's on Marcelo. Speaker A: That's on Marcelo. Speaker B: Like, what are you hiding, bro? Speaker A: Exactly. What are you hiding, bro? Speaker B: What Latin queen are you hiding? Speaker A: And I also— your favorite artist, Kid Cudi, announced a tour.

Speaker B: Mm-hmm. And yeah, we're going to rage this summer. Speaker A: We're raging this summer. But his opener is, uh, A. Speaker C: Mm-hmm. Speaker B: Fuck it. Speaker A: Which makes sense for their sort of their time dominating culture was parallel. But I'm— is it so it's cool to take A. on tour or is it like a Kid Cudi thing? It just doesn't matter because it's him. Speaker B: I don't know. I mean, it could be a little bit of a favor deal. Maybe Kid Cudi isn't aware of her, you know, tinfoil 5G.

Speaker A: Once again, someone in the team, you know, I know, I know Kid Cudi's been painting. And smoking cigarettes with his white wife at the YSL show. Speaker B: But there's a, there's a blue-haired creative art director who flagged MIA, I'm sure somewhere. Speaker A: And that just seems, yeah, that seems like somebody somewhere would be, I mean, whatever. I think I obviously have no dog in the fight. Speaker B: It is a mystery because like even though, you know, Kid Cudi is probably, you know, closer, close to 40 years old right now, if not 40, you know, it makes you wonder who goes to see him in concert in 2026 because I feel like his fan base is just perpetually 19-year-olds.

Speaker A: But it's guys who go to, it's guys who go to Sneaker sneaker con. Um, that's definitely— it's definitely a Bape crowd, but I, I agree with you. I wonder if it's people our age that like grew up with that, if it's, if it's Jim Jones fans, or if it's sneaker— Speaker A: But it's guys who go to, it's guys who go to Sneaker sneaker con. Um, that's definitely— it's definitely a Bape crowd, but I, I agree with you. I wonder if it's people our age that like grew up with that, if it's, if it's Jim Jones fans, or if it's sneaker— Speaker B: the sneaker guys paying cash.

If he had Jim Jones open— Jim Jones opening for A. in select cities, that'd be— that— Speaker A: now see, that's some 4D chess shit right there. That would be smart. Get your Kid Cudi tickets everywhere tickets are sold. Live Nation, baby. Uh, all right, we have a guest today. Jennifer Venditti is a casting director who lives here in New York. She obviously is most known right now from Marty Supreme, but she did Euphoria, Uncut Gems. She made her own short film. She did a book with A24. Speaker B: Also, our dear friend Charlie XCX's film The Moment in theaters next week.

Speaker A: I didn't realize she did that, actually. Speaker B: Okay, well, I mean, according to her Instagram, maybe she's just showing love. I don't know. Speaker A: That'd be cool. Speaker B: But she's posting the moment. Yeah, she did The Moment. Speaker A: I'm just showing love. I just want to show love to all my cast movies out there. Speaker B: I'm going to see— I'm going to ask Venditti why I didn't get the invite to the fucking screening. Speaker A: And you look pretty weird. That's, that's, that's the thing.

You have, you have a character face, as your work in music videos would, would prove, I would say. Speaker B: Yeah, I want her to be like, damn, have you ever been like cast in something? You have a funky look. Speaker A: We're doing a We're doing an EDM movie, and I feel like there's something for you. Speaker B: All right, all right, let's get— Speaker A: all right, let's give her a call. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by our best friends at BetterHelp. Jason, we're deep into May, which is, uh, Mental Health Awareness Month, and this is just a reminder that whatever you're going through, you don't have to go through it alone.

Life is a damn journey. Some days feel good and others feel overwhelming. Whatever's keeping you up at night, it's easy to feel like you have to figure it all out on your own, but the truth is no one has all the answers. Well, and no journey should be alone. Having someone with you to listen, to understand, and to support you can really make all the difference. Speaker B: Yeah, I want her to be like, damn, have you ever been like cast in something? You have a funky look. Speaker A: We're doing a We're doing an EDM movie, and I feel like there's something for you.

Speaker B: All right, all right, let's get— Speaker A: all right, let's give her a call. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by our best friends at BetterHelp. Jason, we're deep into May, which is, uh, Mental Health Awareness Month, and this is just a reminder that whatever you're going through, you don't have to go through it alone. Life is a damn journey. Some days feel good and others feel overwhelming. Whatever's keeping you up at night, it's easy to feel like you have to figure it all out on your own, but the truth is no one has all the answers.

Well, and no journey should be alone. Having someone with you to listen, to understand, and to support you can really make all the difference. Speaker B: I agree, Chris. And sometimes, you know, it, it's nice to be talking to somebody even if they're not even listening, even if you don't even get to be in the same room with them, because what you're doing is you're admitting these things to yourself. And that's the most, that's the most rewarding thing you can do sometimes. So you can have a great little therapy sesh with your perfect therapist at BetterHelp, choosing between over 30,000 people so you can get the right one just for you.

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This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's, uh, it's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. A lot of questions. Speaker B: But how often— because we do this podcast 3 times a week, and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Speaker A: 3 times a week. And I, I have a feeling, just based on the platform and these talking points, that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do.

That's just a guess. Speaker B: The Guardian is not some billionaire-owned platform. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Speaker A: Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in, in what, uh, journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at, uh, stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcast. You can watch on YouTube. It's 3 times a week. And, and who couldn't use more news, you know, especially, especially when it's, when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it, give it a listen, give it a listen.

Speaker C: I'm so excited for you guys though. Yeah, it seems like the hit. I don't trust Sundance though, and whatever is like you hear, it's like all hype, and then you fucking see it and you're like, what? Speaker A: Well, that's how I feel about every movie. We can get into it, but I mean, I think that at least Sundance doesn't have the 17-minute standing ovations. Speaker C: Oh my God, do not get me started. And I went to Venice you know, this time for Smashing Machine. And I'm sitting in the middle of this and I'm like, I can't believe I'm like taking part of this.

And then I look to the right of me and I see Seth Rogen like standing there with the camera and I'm like, yes, the studio is going to fucking do something on that. Speaker C: Oh my God, do not get me started. And I went to Venice you know, this time for Smashing Machine. And I'm sitting in the middle of this and I'm like, I can't believe I'm like taking part of this. And then I look to the right of me and I see Seth Rogen like standing there with the camera and I'm like, yes, the studio is going to fucking do something on that.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker C: It started at Cannes. I mean, like I was saying this years ago and it feels like now it's like everyone knows. So I'm like, why is everyone still doing it when we all know it's not real? Speaker A: You tell me, Hollywood insider. We don't have the answers. Speaker C: I'll tell you. Okay. We're in stereo. All right. Speaker A: There you go. Wow. You have these headphones positioned in a crazy way too. I like that. Oh, you're going kind of straight in. Speaker B: Well, Chris, don't, don't mess.

Don't get in your head about it because the microphone on her headphones, I just want to make sure it doesn't brush against your hair, which will cause some, some feedback sounds. Speaker C: Now you're asking me to like redo my look. No, I'm just kidding. Speaker A: Yeah. We need a full, if you could put on a hat. Speaker B: Are you married to this roll neck or is there another? Speaker C: We're not, we're not feeling, we're not feeling the blue. Speaker A: Okay, Jennifer, I feel like you're— you've positioned your computer inside of a plant.

Speaker C: Is that— I know we're not doing video though, right? Speaker A: No, no, but I just, I just found it like an interesting choice. That wasn't about, that wasn't about the show. Speaker C: I like to incorporate nature whenever I can. It's very grounding. Speaker B: I think that's so important. So is, is the plant— does it look like it's dying because you've been so busy casting awesome A24 films? Speaker A: No, no, but I just, I just found it like an interesting choice. That wasn't about, that wasn't about the show.

Speaker C: I like to incorporate nature whenever I can. It's very grounding. Speaker B: I think that's so important. So is, is the plant— does it look like it's dying because you've been so busy casting awesome A24 films? Speaker C: Shut up. I am like an incredible plant. Speaker B: Are you a plant mama? Speaker C: I am. And I have, I have, I have major plants. So this is no, this is not amateur. Speaker B: I've got major plants. Your plants are huge. Speaker C: Wait, is this— we started recording already?

Speaker A: Oh, we— yeah, yeah. What is a tremendous plant to you? Just size-wise. Speaker C: Do you want me to take you on a tour? I mean, okay. Speaker A: No, no, no, no. Don't pick up your computer. Speaker B: I have— Speaker C: yeah, size. Oh, no, no, I'll say two things. I'm going to say two. Sorry. Sorry. No, no, no, no. It's not just size, but it's also longevity. I think that's actually more important. Speaker B: So, so, so it's both girth and length is what you're saying?

Yeah. Oh, longevity in terms of life. Speaker A: Got it. Speaker B: Got it. Speaker A: But how often— so you're saying that you don't have— you're saying you do all the plant caretaking yourself, though? You don't have someone come in? Speaker C: I have to say no, most of the time, but my life has been hijacked. So now I direct. I'm a good delegator. Speaker A: Sure. Speaker C: No, but I've been very involved. I have not had people taking care of my plants like through their lifespan. But right now, sometimes it gets hijacked and right now it's especially hijacked.

Speaker A: Sure. Speaker C: No, but I've been very involved. I have not had people taking care of my plants like through their lifespan. But right now, sometimes it gets hijacked and right now it's especially hijacked. Speaker A: That's fine. No, no, there's no— there's no shame in that. Speaker C: But it isn't like I got plants and then I just have someone come in and do it all. No, I got them to this stage. I raised them. Speaker B: You don't have like a hot 22-year-old guy? Come over to your house every Wednesday?

Speaker C: I wish. I raised them and now someone like helps. Speaker A: Okay, so I see. So you raised them and now they're kind of off at college and someone else is— Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. Speaker A: Someone else is sort of— You just see the credit card bills and can't believe it. Speaker B: It's important that they fail on their own over at Barnard or wherever they're at. Yeah, yeah. At Plant Vassar. Speaker A: Plant Vassar. Speaker C: There are bars down the street. Speaker A: Wow, you're upstate?

Speaker C: I've always wanted to, like, have nature in my life, but I always thought with my job I never could. And I'm not one of those people, like, I want to have a house that I'm never at, you know? Like, I want to live in the place. So my job specifically is like, you have to be in person. And so that changed that. So that's like what opened it up for me. It wasn't just like, oh, I want to get out of the city. I've always wanted to, but I just never thought my job would I've always wanted to get out of the city first and foremost.

No, no, but I do. And it's made me love the city more, you know? But I think I was someone that— I grew up in the Midwest all my parents' life. Went on a trip to New York when I was, I don't know, like in middle school. I even before that, I grew up in Minnesota. Do I dare say? I feel like saying that now is like, wow, we're, we're Minnesota lovers. Speaker A: Pre-ICE issues. Speaker C: I know. But now saying it, it's like, wow, it's so like, yeah, okay, wait.

Speaker B: Well, you could still love Minnesota and hate ice and hate our government. Speaker C: Exactly. So the— why am I saying this? Oh, so I like— it was weird, you know how you have like thoughts as a kid and I don't know where it came— I didn't come from like sophisticated culture parents that were like into the arts or into all that, but I knew I had like a vision that I was gonna live in New York City like in a loft when I was a little kid. Speaker A: That's before you saw the prices on those lofts.

This is Friends era, you know, that's the problem. You thought that me and 4 of my friends can live in the West Village with 5,000 square feet. It's going to be amazing. Speaker B: This was sort of Party Girl era, the film. Speaker C: Totally. This was the '90s. Yeah. And so then when I was in middle school or something, we took a family trip and we came and I'm like, oh, I am living here for sure. And because I grew up in an area where I didn't get to see lots of different kinds of people.

And so I was like, I've said this in so many interviews and stuff, but I'm like, was an obsessive people watcher and I was dying to see how other people lived and different types of people and different kinds of people. And it just wasn't happening where I was. Speaker B: And you were living in Minnesota before the Four Seasons went in? Speaker C: Yes. Minnesota, Omaha, Nebraska. Speaker A: Omaha. Speaker C: Suburb of Detroit, Michigan. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker C: So all like Midwestern. Speaker B: So you had a lot, a rich, diverse cast of white people to choose from is what you're saying.

Speaker C: Except for Detroit, when we moved to the suburb of Detroit, I hate to say it, I'd sneak out at night. Like, we would go out and drive to Detroit and it would be like, mm-hmm. I was like, oh, finally something. Um, but anyways, my point was I got to New York City and it was just like, I say this all the time, I didn't go see movies. I just like watched people. I was like, this is amazing. Like, I will never get tired of this. Speaker C: Yes. Minnesota, Omaha, Nebraska.

Speaker A: Omaha. Speaker C: Suburb of Detroit, Michigan. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker C: So all like Midwestern. Speaker B: So you had a lot, a rich, diverse cast of white people to choose from is what you're saying. Speaker C: Except for Detroit, when we moved to the suburb of Detroit, I hate to say it, I'd sneak out at night. Like, we would go out and drive to Detroit and it would be like, mm-hmm. I was like, oh, finally something. Um, but anyways, my point was I got to New York City and it was just like, I say this all the time, I didn't go see movies.

I just like watched people. I was like, this is amazing. Like, I will never get tired of this. Speaker A: Thank God you get, thank God you get paid for it. I mean, at least, Okay, but upstate, I don't know. I don't feel like it's you. Speaker C: I know, isn't it crazy? It's, it's— well, first of all, where I live, where I live is— there's a lot happening. Like I always say, my social life here is the same as like in the city. There's a— it's like, you know, I'm not going to say it on this podcast, but anyways, where I live— Speaker A: I know where you— Speaker C: I'm sure there's a, there's, there's a vibe.

Speaker A: There's— Speaker C: there— Speaker A: you mean there's a lot of gay guys with antique stores? Speaker C: It's so amazing. No, no, no, no, no, no. My friend Melissa Oftemauer, ex-Hole. Speaker A: Oh yeah, she's, she's coming on the pod. We're trying to work it out right now. Speaker B: Oh yes, yes, known baddie, known baddie. Speaker C: I'll tell you guys, her, her, her memoir is coming out next in March and it's going to be major. Speaker B: I have a feeling that's why she's coming on our podcast.

Speaker C: Yeah, and her and Courtney just had a reunion yesterday. Speaker A: I saw, I saw that. I did see that. I did see that. Speaker C: I'll tell you guys, her, her, her memoir is coming out next in March and it's going to be major. Speaker B: I have a feeling that's why she's coming on our podcast. Speaker C: Yeah, and her and Courtney just had a reunion yesterday. Speaker A: I saw, I saw that. I did see that. I did see that. Speaker C: Anti-her— anti-heroin, is that what it's called?

The, the doc? Speaker A: Yeah, I saw, I saw there was a clip going around. Speaker B: Oh, like Antihero, but make it female and druggy. Okay. Speaker C: Well, well, someone— they premiered this at Sundance yesterday. Speaker A: Everybody just got— Speaker C: anyways, Melissa's been, I mean, up here forever, and she has a place called Basilica, which is like an arts nonprofit art thing, and it's amazing music, film, culture, drone, all these interesting things. So it's not the gay antique. Speaker A: So you're telling me there's no gay antique stores within a 10-mile radius?

Speaker C: I I've never heard of this. Speaker A: I've never heard of this. Speaker C: What is this you speak of? Speaker A: I've never heard of rich gay guys moving upstate and opening antique. I've never heard of that. Speaker B: This is news to me. Speaker C: Where are you guys from? Speaker A: I'm from Atlanta, but I live in New York. Speaker C: Okay. You don't have to be embarrassed about it. Speaker A: I'm not embarrassed about it. This is the only place worth living. I can't even imagine living anywhere else.

Speaker B: I'm from Orange County, California. Proud resident. But I live in Los Angeles now. Speaker C: And you, and you love it. And you love it. Speaker B: I live upstate SoCal. Yeah, of course I love it. I mean, I love LA and New York. Two best cities. I just happen to live. Speaker C: And how did you guys meet? What's your guys' connection? For the new, for the new listeners, I'm helping you. Speaker B: You're bringing a lot of new ears to us, and we thank you for that, JV.

Speaker B: I live upstate SoCal. Yeah, of course I love it. I mean, I love LA and New York. Two best cities. I just happen to live. Speaker C: And how did you guys meet? What's your guys' connection? For the new, for the new listeners, I'm helping you. Speaker B: You're bringing a lot of new ears to us, and we thank you for that, JV. Speaker A: For all our A24 Gold Card holders, they're going to really get in. Speaker C: I'm going to help you understand the backstory. Speaker A: No, we met years ago because Jason was DJing.

In Atlanta. But it's been, I mean, at this point it's been 15 or 16 years. Speaker B: I think we met in the club. Speaker A: Yeah, basically, to put it bluntly, Jennifer, which I'm sure you've met many of your friends as well as people you've hired in clubs. Speaker C: I know, doesn't that seem like crazy now though? Speaker A: Like, how, when, when was your headiest New York nightlife era? Speaker C: Well, when I first moved to New York, it was, was it like Limelight and Club USA or whatever?

Speaker A: So you, okay, now it does sound like a secret speakeasy at Mar-a-Lago, but no, No, wait, what was yours? Speaker B: It's a Costco rewards card. Speaker A: Mine was, mine was a little later than that. Mine was like Lit. Speaker C: Oh yeah, Lit. I did that. Speaker A: Black and white. Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker A: That kind of— Speaker B: that was the first place I DJ'd in New York was Lit Lounge, which is— Speaker A: but, but I, I imagine you— Speaker B: what a time.

Speaker A: So you, you kept it going. Speaker C: That was like early on, but that was like early, that was early '90s. Yeah. I'm trying to think all the places I prefer. Small. I preferred small. Gathering. What was the place? Don Hill? Speaker A: Sure. You preferred a more intimate setting? Speaker A: Sure. You preferred a more intimate setting? Speaker C: I do in general. Like, that's my thing. Speaker B: You like a little booth where we can do a little bump and nobody has to get up? Speaker C: And yeah, I need, I need it.

I need to go deep. Like, otherwise I'm like, what's up with this? Speaker A: It's perfect for you because it really makes you talk a lot. Speaker C: Oh no, I no hate, hate. That is my like, no, really, I don't like, I don't like speed. I love we're talking about this, people. I do not do— I'll just say, like, if I was going to do anything, it would be hallucinogenic. Speaker A: Okay. Speaker B: Mommy likes to go down, not up. Okay, so what's your relationship with Xanax? Speaker C: Nothing.

I've never done it. What? Not even on a plane? Speaker A: I can tell. I can tell you're a turnt up chick and I like it. I feel like you're operating like this all the time, no matter what. Speaker C: Oh my God. You know what? That is amazing you say that because that's— I don't drink. And people get like— I was just at a dinner the other night and this guy was like, he was French and he just could not take it that I would not take the wine. And I was like, dude, I am already there.

Like, I don't need it. Speaker B: You're like, slow down, Bill Cosby. I'm not going to— Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker C: But I'm also like, I'm like, I don't need it. I'm already there. Like, it is true. Speaker A: I'm sorry you had to sit next to a French person. That's tough for everybody. I've— Speaker B: I would— I don't need the Chenin Blanc. I am Chenin Blanc. Mozafucka. Speaker C: I am embodied. Speaker A: Yeah, you're turned up. You're turned up. I can tell. Speaker C: Yeah.

Speaker A: So what do you do? What do you do when you're upstate? Because it's boring as hell. Speaker C: No, it's not. I like hiking. First of all, I love animals. Like, I'm obsessed. Speaker B: Are you casting ducks out there? Speaker C: I am embodied. Speaker A: Yeah, you're turned up. You're turned up. I can tell. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: So what do you do? What do you do when you're upstate? Because it's boring as hell. Speaker C: No, it's not. I like hiking. First of all, I love animals.

Like, I'm obsessed. Speaker B: Are you casting ducks out there? Speaker A: You know how many nasty— how many nasty little dogs do you have? Speaker C: Do not— these are— do not speak of these spiritual leaders amongst us. God backwards, I always say. Speaker B: Uh-oh. Speaker A: Spiritual leaders? Speaker C: No. Oh my God, I love— you don't like animals? We're gonna have to end this. Right now. Do you hate— do you hate dogs? Speaker A: I don't hate them. I just can't believe people have them as pets.

Speaker C: Wait, are you a cat person or you're just a no cat person? Speaker A: What the fuck? That's the meanest thing anybody's ever said. Speaker B: This is more of a reptile guy. Speaker C: You better be prepared if when Melissa comes on here, she's obsessed with cats. Speaker A: Yeah, women can be obsessed with cats. Men can't be obsessed with cats. Speaker C: Okay, I'm— there are men that are though. Speaker B: Keep an eye on them. Don't let them around your cat. Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I don't— that sounds dangerous to me.

Speaker C: Wait, both of you don't like dogs? Speaker A: No, Jason likes dogs. Speaker B: I have two dogs. Well. Speaker C: Okay, so you get it. Speaker B: Oh, yes. Speaker A: I would say that actually, Jason, now that we're talking about it, Jason has dogs, but I'm not even sure if he likes them necessarily. Speaker B: Okay. My relationship with dogs is I have two dogs. I've never acquired them myself. It's been through a person that I'm dating. Speaker C: You rescued? Yeah. Yeah. Speaker B: Oh, okay.

They're all rescues, Jennifer, but it's one of those situations. Speaker A: Captain Save-A-Ho. Speaker C: Your girlfriends are gateways to dogs. For you. Speaker C: You rescued? Yeah. Yeah. Speaker B: Oh, okay. They're all rescues, Jennifer, but it's one of those situations. Speaker A: Captain Save-A-Ho. Speaker C: Your girlfriends are gateways to dogs. For you. Speaker A: Captain Save-A-Ho gets himself a dog by accident. Speaker B: Yeah, I say, oh, you want a ring? How about a dog? Speaker C: Wait, and then you end up keeping them after you break up?

Speaker A: No. Speaker B: Well, I mean, yeah. So like my wife and I, she had a dog for a long time. The dog is like 17 now, an old wise dog that she's had for, you know, 15 of those 17 years. So I inherited this dog. So the dog is mine as well. And then we got a COVID rescue puppy. But Chris's point is like, I love the dogs. They're amazing. Also a pain in the ass. Also cost me a lot of money. And, you know, if they were both gone tomorrow, I would not cry about it.

But I do love them. Speaker C: Seriously? Yeah. Seriously, you feel like you wouldn't? I want to know when they die. I want to check in with you because I feel like you think that. Speaker B: I'll FaceTime you from the execution. Speaker A: I just don't know. I just don't, you know, But what is your— what makes you like it? Oh, okay, so wait, the money? Speaker C: Oh no, no, no, no, I like— first of all, have you guys listened to the telepathy tapes at all? Speaker A: No.

Speaker C: Okay, I— you guys, you haven't had a guest like me. Speaker B: Um, anyway, all right, slow down. How wide open is your third eye? Speaker A: You said you don't do drugs. Speaker B: I am drugs. I'll fuck you up. Speaker C: Let's go. Speaker B: You want to get into it? Speaker C: Okay, wait, no, the communication. Speaker B: Um, anyway, all right, slow down. How wide open is your third eye? Speaker A: You said you don't do drugs. Speaker B: I am drugs. I'll fuck you up.

Speaker C: Let's go. Speaker B: You want to get into it? Speaker C: Okay, wait, no, the communication. Speaker B: So you're saying that you and your dog speak to each other telepathically? Yes, for sure. And I think the dog says, "I have to pee," and you go, "Time to pee." Sorry, go ahead. Speaker C: I think, I think it's the purest— there's a couple things. I think what I experience with dogs is like, or animals, it's like a real sense of presence that it like, it just like brings you to this place of presence because they don't have TikTok yet.

Exactly. And none of the— like, if you think about communication, a lot of communication is just us trying to like prove ourselves to someone, or like, I want you to think this about me, or I'm trying to make you feel this, or I'm not It's like with animals, it's not like that. It's just pure. It goes straight to the connection and there's none of the other stuff. And so it's this feeling of— it's like a deep connection you can't really have with like a human. And it's really pure and it's really present.

And it's like it's the only form of unconditional love too. There's no— they'll fucking love you no matter what. Speaker B: Do you think there's some dogs out there that don't love their owners because they think they're ugly? Speaker C: I mean, I've really seen it. You see these dogs that are abused and they I still love them. That's what's so sad. Their hearts are so pure. Speaker A: I believe all the things that you were saying, but the downsides are just too great. Speaker C: What are— what are the downsides?

Well, and also, I do have to say, like, well, what do you think the downsides are? Speaker C: I mean, I've really seen it. You see these dogs that are abused and they I still love them. That's what's so sad. Their hearts are so pure. Speaker A: I believe all the things that you were saying, but the downsides are just too great. Speaker C: What are— what are the downsides? Well, and also, I do have to say, like, well, what do you think the downsides are? Speaker A: The dirtiness of it is number one.

Speaker C: Are you like an OCD clean person? Speaker A: Not even. I just am like, why would I do that to myself if I don't have to? I mean, it's like anything else. It's like, what's the up— like, Unconditional love. Speaker C: Unconditional love versus a little bit of dirt, and you take it. Speaker A: Not a little bit of— not a little bit of dirt. I can't see that sweater that closely, but there's hair all over it. But there's fucking hair. Speaker C: Mine's non-hypoallergenic. Speaker A: Oh, so, okay, so you don't have a rescue?

You went and paid 5 grand? Speaker C: No, no, no, no, no, no. I have a rescue, but I don't have a shedding big— I have a hypoallergenic. He's a rescue. Speaker B: What kind of— what, what kind of dog is your hybrid model? Speaker C: Oh my God, Sarge in charge. I'll show you a picture. Um, but also just side note, what I'll tell you what else just happened. I love that this is our conversation. Zoe, are you dying? Um, are we— this is what we're gonna talk about the whole time?

Speaker B: Yeah, we're gonna get into other stuff too, don't worry. Speaker C: Okay, cool. So no, I'm fine talking like this. I hope people find it interesting. Okay, what I'm gonna tell you— Speaker B: nobody gives a fuck about Marty Supreme anymore. We don't hear about dogs. Speaker C: Exactly. Everyone's I'm so bored. Speaker A: Forever. Speaker C: It's okay. Okay. So the thing I wanna tell you that just happened that my dog initiated, obviously for me, that was like a life-changing kind of experience was, okay, so he's like a 20-pound poodle, like not poodle, he's like a mix.

He is like a mutt. Anyways, we were walking the other day and, or this was like a couple months ago. And I like to consider myself like a highly attuned kind of sensitive person. I'm walking, I'm talking on the phone, and I see out of the corner of my eye like two massive 150-pound each pit bulls off leash charging towards us. Uh-oh, you guys, a pack, a pack of wild dogs rushing towards you. Yes, exactly, rushing towards me. And I'm like on the phone, I, I throw my phone, then my instinct, because I just like, it was like, so I pick— my instinct was, because I've had like, you know, you pick the object up that they're wanting to get.

Yeah, instinctively. I know, I picked my own dog. I picked Sarge. Speaker B: nobody gives a fuck about Marty Supreme anymore. We don't hear about dogs. Speaker C: Exactly. Everyone's I'm so bored. Speaker A: Forever. Speaker C: It's okay. Okay. So the thing I wanna tell you that just happened that my dog initiated, obviously for me, that was like a life-changing kind of experience was, okay, so he's like a 20-pound poodle, like not poodle, he's like a mix. He is like a mutt. Anyways, we were walking the other day and, or this was like a couple months ago.

And I like to consider myself like a highly attuned kind of sensitive person. I'm walking, I'm talking on the phone, and I see out of the corner of my eye like two massive 150-pound each pit bulls off leash charging towards us. Uh-oh, you guys, a pack, a pack of wild dogs rushing towards you. Yes, exactly, rushing towards me. And I'm like on the phone, I, I throw my phone, then my instinct, because I just like, it was like, so I pick— my instinct was, because I've had like, you know, you pick the object up that they're wanting to get.

Yeah, instinctively. I know, I picked my own dog. I picked Sarge. Speaker B: Yeah, you pick, you pick the 20-pound dog up, you lift it over your head. The pit bulls then have their way with your thighs and arms and stuff. Speaker C: So I normally— that works. The dog just, just like barking. It's like, oh, the thing they want is gone. But in this case, I guess it's not the thing to do because the pit bulls are insane. I picked him up and you guys, no joke, these two massive dogs jumped on top of me, chewed him— I can't even talk about, makes me cry— chewed him out of my arms.

Speaker B: Yeah, you pick, you pick the 20-pound dog up, you lift it over your head. The pit bulls then have their way with your thighs and arms and stuff. Speaker C: So I normally— that works. The dog just, just like barking. It's like, oh, the thing they want is gone. But in this case, I guess it's not the thing to do because the pit bulls are insane. I picked him up and you guys, no joke, these two massive dogs jumped on top of me, chewed him— I can't even talk about, makes me cry— chewed him out of my arms.

Speaker B: Jesus. Speaker C: And basically began to murder him in front of me. And just like, I know I can't even talk about it, like ragdoll chewing him like— and I thought in my head, I can't believe this is the day. Speaker A: What? And you didn't have your gun on you? Speaker C: Listen, no. Speaker B: Oh my God. Speaker C: I'm like, I'm like, this is the day my dog is going to die. I can't believe it. Like, I did not wake up this morning and think I'm going to see my dog be murdered.

And something in me, there was a part of me that's just like, there's nothing I can do. And then something clicked and I went— I mean, it's not smart. Everyone's like, can't believe you did this and you survived. I just like went ballistic and I got in there and I don't know how I do it— did it. I threw fucking pulled him out, ran to my car, ran to urgent care. Cut to— to make a long story short, they pulled his leg out of his hip socket. It was like by like 6 inches.

They thought his pelvis was broken. They thought all these things were wrong. But basically he couldn't move for 6 weeks, and they tried to like just get it to back in there so they didn't have to amputate it. But the point is, he's fine now. Speaker A: Wow. Speaker C: But I saved my dog. I took on I took on two pit bulls. Speaker A: I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you for that. I hope you got— I hope you have an open carry license for moving forward. Speaker C: And I have nothing, no scars, nothing to show for it.

Speaker A: My question to you is not— I'm happy that your dog is alive and I'm happy that you were able to save him or her. Speaker C: Him. Speaker B: Sarge. Speaker A: Him. But my follow-up question is, what was the urgent care bill? Speaker C: You know what my follow-up question is? Who, who, who's the owner of that other— those other dogs? Speaker B: Yeah, my follow-up question is, how many days until you had both of those pit bulls executed as a dog lover. Speaker C: Well, exactly. I'm still— I'm still on this guy.

This guy. First of all, I never knew there was such a thing as a dog controller. That's what you learn when you're in like small towns. There's something called like a dog controller, and that's like who you report these things to. Speaker A: There's like— you're telling me that we're— our tax dollars are paying for a dog controller? This is the problem with fucking America. This is the problem. Speaker B: Zohan's New York. Speaker A: We're talking about Zohan's Carhartt, and we're not— Speaker C: but this is upstate. This is upstate, not in the city.

This would have ever happened in the city, there wouldn't be two pit bulls off leash. I have to say, I think it's not, you know. So anyways, I call the dog controller, and I kid you not, the one thing about a small town, like, everyone is on the case to find this guy. Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker C: And he basically has— was seen all the time. And now, I mean, I think he like moved. I think he knows his dogs are going to be taken away. Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker C: And he basically has— was seen all the time.

And now, I mean, I think he like moved. I think he knows his dogs are going to be taken away. Speaker A: He knew this fucking city slicker with a little bit of extra cash was after him, and he, he knew she's litigious. I heard she's litigious. Speaker B: Okay, so he fled Chile and we need to go extradite him. Speaker C: Literally, they literally have put cameras everywhere. Everyone's— I know it's like amazing. It's like the biggest thing that's ever happened. Everyone is on the case. Speaker B: This is a little kind of doggone girl A24.

We're sniffing around right now. It sounds like a nice little whodunit. Speaker A: Yeah, this feels— Speaker C: this is the point is that he didn't pay the bill. I paid the bill. Speaker A: Oh, I knew you paid the bill. I want to know the total of the bill is what I'm asking. Speaker B: It was a bite and run. Speaker C: I'm not saying— I'm not saying— Speaker A: was it more or less than $5,000 USD? Around. Speaker C: Okay. Speaker A: That's the kind of shit I'm not looking to take a hit on, to be honest.

That's what I'm talking about. Speaker C: You would have said just— Speaker A: Yeah, I'd be like, well, I think maybe it's time. Speaker B: Well, no, I mean, I think the worst problem is when I have friends who are like, yeah, I just got a new dog and then I went to work and I came back and he ate 4 garbage bags and I had to have them surgically removed and it cost me $7,000 or something like that. You know, just hear stories like that all the time. In addition to picking up the feces, the dog hair, the vets, the worms, the dog sick.

Speaker A: If it makes you this happy, then And by God, you should do whatever you want. Speaker B: Man, that is so crazy. Speaker C: So the backstory real quick of what you— the question was, what do you do up there? So I love hiking. I love being with dogs. But I also— my life is so— I have so much stimulation that there is something about when I come here, I'm able to kind of integrate and just have a little bit, because otherwise it's so intense, everything. Speaker B: Man, that is so crazy.

Speaker C: So the backstory real quick of what you— the question was, what do you do up there? So I love hiking. I love being with dogs. But I also— my life is so— I have so much stimulation that there is something about when I come here, I'm able to kind of integrate and just have a little bit, because otherwise it's so intense, everything. Speaker A: I agree. I agree. I like that. But I probably could use a little bit of this in my life. Speaker C: That's what I'm saying.

So maybe this will inspire you. And it's close and I'm always in the city. And it's like the combo. I think it's about the combo. I would never want to live like this. Speaker B: Sure. All the time. Speaker C: I don't think, you know, but I do think that we don't realize when you're in the city all the time, like, whoa. Speaker A: Well, especially right now when it's snow and ice, it's a humbling— it's been a humbling week, I would say, over here in the Big Apple. Speaker C: Right?

Yeah. I just came back yesterday, so I was in the city. I think the city, though, it's kind of nice when that happens. It slows down. Everything stops. Like, on COVID vibes, I was in Sundance and I had to do the mad dash. Like, I was supposed to stay longer, but I couldn't get snowed in there because literally, where would you stay? Like, once you're— everything is so sold out that if you don't— Speaker A: what do you— all right, so when you're in Park City, when you're, you're at Sundance, there's obviously the stuff that you worked on.

Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: But do you waste your time seeing these other fucking indie films? Speaker C: I saw, I saw— you know what, the thing that it sounds crazy, but like, I went to SCAD recently. I love seeing movies at film festivals. It's, it's so good because everyone's so engaged. So the theater, the audiences, you experience viewing something different because everyone's so— Speaker A: what do you— all right, so when you're in Park City, when you're, you're at Sundance, there's obviously the stuff that you worked on. Speaker C: Yeah.

Speaker A: But do you waste your time seeing these other fucking indie films? Speaker C: I saw, I saw— you know what, the thing that it sounds crazy, but like, I went to SCAD recently. I love seeing movies at film festivals. It's, it's so good because everyone's so engaged. So the theater, the audiences, you experience viewing something different because everyone's so— Speaker A: it's not just people trying to get away from their wives and eat a pound of Sour Patch Kids. It's people who care. Speaker C: It's— yeah, and you feel it, like the, in the, the presence again in the— what— and the watching the film is so electric that like it makes the viewing experience— you know what they say a conversation or like a talk or speech is only as good as the listening container is.

Because if no one's listening, the energy of the listening makes the speaker better. And it's the same thing of like watching a movie. It's like if there's no audience, it's like there's a reciprocal energetic exchange between the two. So I find watching movies in a festival experience to be very exhilarating in some way. And so, but I'm not gonna say anything about Sundance. I have to be careful. I can't talk too loosely with you guys, but I did, I can tell, cuz I would easily do that and then I would regret it later.

Um, but so all I will say is I saw The History of Concrete and I'm obsessed with, have you guys spoken to him? Speaker A: No, I, I'm, I'm not in on that stuff. Speaker B: I'm, I, I sent him a, I sent him a DM a couple years ago. Saying, hey, I'm a big fan. Speaker A: No, I, I'm, I'm not in on that stuff. Speaker B: I'm, I, I sent him a, I sent him a DM a couple years ago. Saying, hey, I'm a big fan. Speaker C: Yeah.

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Speaker C: And I'll tell you, it's making me scared of New York City. And I'm like, you've now given me a complex. I feel like— Speaker A: That's the most interested I've been in any of his work. I'll say that. It does sound good. It sounds cool. Speaker C: I feel like you might be. Yeah. So that was, that was enlightening and a little bit terrifying and, um, interesting. And then what else did I see? Um, I saw the other things I didn't realize, like, because I hadn't been to Sundance in a while, I was like, if you don't get there early, they give away your seat.

So it's like I got to things too late. I missed out on a lot, but I was there for the moment, and I was there for this small Korean film called Bedford Park, which was very powerful to see that in the movie. Speaker A: I feel like I read about— Speaker C: I feel like I read about Bedford Park. Park. Yeah, it's this guy, and it's this like— he's like a big movie star in Korea, Sun Suk-ho, and he's just amazing in it. They're both like Korean. It's really about that experience of the kids of immigrant parents, and I feel— but it's also about outsiders.

It's like if you're an immigrant child, a child of immigrants, it will touch you. But I think if you just feel like disconnected and broken and an outsider, it also will speak to you. And it's very intimate, and it's very— it was very emotional. I thought it was great. Okay. Speaker A: I feel like I read about— Speaker C: I feel like I read about Bedford Park. Park. Yeah, it's this guy, and it's this like— he's like a big movie star in Korea, Sun Suk-ho, and he's just amazing in it.

They're both like Korean. It's really about that experience of the kids of immigrant parents, and I feel— but it's also about outsiders. It's like if you're an immigrant child, a child of immigrants, it will touch you. But I think if you just feel like disconnected and broken and an outsider, it also will speak to you. And it's very intimate, and it's very— it was very emotional. I thought it was great. Okay. Speaker A: Did you the moment puffer jacket or no? Speaker C: I know I did not. I did not engage.

I feel like, I feel like I saw it after. I didn't see that until after. They were cute though. But they were. Speaker A: Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. So something like this, who, who's got to deal with Kylie Jenner? Is that you? Speaker C: Okay. No, I want to give the credit where credit's due. I mean, Aiden really facilitated that and it took a lot of took forever. But I mean, I like dealt with her people. Speaker A: Sure. Speaker C: But, but, but, but Aiden really brought that home.

Speaker A: So she's— so Aiden obviously knows her. Yeah, yeah. Speaker C: So he planted the seed, but it took a while. Speaker A: When it comes down to it, at that point when you're dealing with her people, they've been told to do it. So it's not like there's some insane negotiation, or is it still— Speaker C: oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no. Speaker A: They were like, not for money, but I just mean in general, you know what I mean? Speaker C: Like, I mean, there were certain logistical things, but I have to say, like that once she, like, agreed to do it, I feel like they really— they— she really, like, worked with us.

Speaker C: oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no. Speaker A: They were like, not for money, but I just mean in general, you know what I mean? Speaker C: Like, I mean, there were certain logistical things, but I have to say, like that once she, like, agreed to do it, I feel like they really— they— she really, like, worked with us. Speaker A: And, like, I mean, it's good for her. Speaker C: It was really accommodating. I don't— yeah. And I don't want to say what it was she did, but she, like, did something to make it easier for us.

And, like, yeah, I feel like she really leaned in and made it easy. Speaker A: Yeah, that's nice. Speaker C: Because it could have been like, oh my God, 5,000 bodyguards and this and that. And, you know, I feel like she really leaned in. And I don't know if you guys have seen it yet, but like, she's funny and she's really— like I said to her, comedic timing was like— I thought she was really funny and really, um, natural. Speaker B: Kardashians are pros at the end of the day, or the Jenners, I should say.

Speaker A: I've watched every episode of The Kardashians ever aired, and I saw this for her, to be honest. I didn't want to say— I didn't want to take credit. Speaker B: She's no Khloé, but she's got decent chops. Speaker C: Okay, but she does. That's what I said. I said to her, and she even said she is interested in doing comedy. I'm like, well, you have like the natural time. It's so crazy because I haven't— I've watched some of them. You think— Speaker A: yeah, you think Khloé's the star of the family.

Speaker C: I know, I know. Speaker A: I haven't, I haven't been able to digest much of her podcast, but the episode where she went to Nashville to talk to Dolly Parton is a— Speaker C: I saw that, I saw that. I know, she's like the woman of the people. Speaker B: It's like, but if, if Kylie Jenner is do— is doing comedies in the future, what are ugly people going to do? You know what I mean? Speaker A: Like, that's all they got You're actually, you're keeping ugly people's pockets full and that's goddamn it.

That's you, you need to get more. It's a service. You need to get more credit for that. It's a real thing though. When everybody— Speaker B: It's like, but if, if Kylie Jenner is do— is doing comedies in the future, what are ugly people going to do? You know what I mean? Speaker A: Like, that's all they got You're actually, you're keeping ugly people's pockets full and that's goddamn it. That's you, you need to get more. It's a service. You need to get more credit for that. It's a real thing though.

When everybody— Speaker C: I'd like to reframe this. Speaker A: Please, please. Speaker C: I would like to reframe this. Speaker B: It's called a unique face, Chris. Speaker A: Unique. Speaker C: It's called expanding how we see beauty and I, I, it's expanding our ideas of beauty. Speaker B: Just kidding. Speaker A: What? Hold on. No, I know you're absolutely right. Speaker C: And I do, I see it as beauty. I do not I do not see it as ugly. I think there are— there's a spectrum of beauty, and I think we've been living— not now as much, but when I first started doing what I do, I started in fashion, and my whole thing was, wait, what?

Speaker A: You want to— Speaker C: you're only showing this much beauty? There's so much more beauty here. Speaker A: I think with fashion I would agree with you because somebody can look amazing and not have to talk, whereas acting, you can look amazing and unique and weird, but you still got to deliver something, which is a little bit harder. Speaker B: Don't come for Sydney Sweeney like that. Speaker C: I So I just have to say that, you know, beauty, that kind of beauty, that it's just beauty and nothing else.

It's like it doesn't— it's not— there's really nothing there. It's not— it can be just— if you're just like traditionally beauty and there's nothing else to offer, that gets old very quickly. Speaker B: A scoop of chocolate ice cream, delicious. After a while, you know, you don't want to eat it day after day. Speaker A: Well, that's why I— that's why I I was luckily fat growing up and I've had to develop a personality. So were you— Speaker C: do you still have that? Like, because I've heard that it's like you're just once a fat kid.

Speaker B: Do you still have the personality? That was gone. It's gone. Speaker A: That was— wow, that was a low blow, I would say. I think I thought it was pretty obvious that I had— no. Speaker C: Uh, do you still feel like you're a fat kid though? That's insane. Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. I think everybody should be fat though. I think it's the most character-building thing that can happen to you. Speaker C: That's a cool— that's an interesting statement. Speaker A: As long as you can overcome it in some way.

Speaker B: Yeah, people say you should always— like, everyone should work in like a service industry job, like work at a restaurant or work retail. And ideally, if possible, be fat, you know, because you really see the world in a different way. You become empathetic. Speaker A: Yeah. Luckily for me, I was fat and I worked retail, so I've had as much— Speaker C: Character building. You had the PhD of character building. Speaker B: And he had no hoes. Speaker C: Yeah. Wait, what was the wake up? What was the wake up?

Speaker A: I mean, it was mostly just growing. It was mostly just getting a little older. Speaker C: You just grew out of it. Speaker B: It's the same thing that happened. You turn, you know, You, you could do whatever you want. You can go out, party, eat whatever you want. And then at a certain point in your 20s, you're— you, you get a little money, you're going out to dinners, you're drinking, you're doing drugs, and then your body says, uh-uh, and then you wake up and you're 40 pounds overweight.

Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Speaker A: I was never— luckily this was all done before I was like out of high school, basically. Speaker C: So yours was like baby fat or like whatever? Speaker A: Yeah, but I was a— I was a big guy and people let me know that on a daily basis, to the point where I've said things that regret, you know. Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Speaker A: I was never— luckily this was all done before I was like out of high school, basically. Speaker C: So yours was like baby fat or like whatever?

Speaker A: Yeah, but I was a— I was a big guy and people let me know that on a daily basis, to the point where I've said things that regret, you know. Speaker B: He was a husky snacker. Speaker A: I was a husky. Don't take me to husky section, I'll eat. Speaker C: Did you eat a lot? That's what I'm saying. Was there a correlation? Were you like in the closet? Speaker A: I don't think I ate a lot, but I think that we've talked about this. Yeah, I was eating.

I was in the closet. Speaker B: Is there a correlation between overeating and weight gain? I'm just— I'm starting to see a trend happening. Speaker A: Were you in the closet? Yeah, I was in the closet eating Oreos. That's what I was fucking doing. Speaker C: Do you know what some people, they're like, it's like a weird metabolism hormonal thing, and it's like they try that— Speaker B: they try to use that excuse, but yeah, they're eating pizza in their bed. Speaker A: My generation generation or, or my age group.

I'm 43, so I bet people that are probably like, yeah, 40 to 48 at this point. I think that there was just a different— yeah, I think like fast food was it. Like now fast food's like this cute reward for everyone. Yeah, but when we were growing up, fast food was like, no, that's what we just eat. Speaker C: No, I remember— this is so crazy, the things you like remember— but I remember I had this friend who was divorced. Her parents were divorced. Her mom was like a lawyer. She was a single mom.

And every day she would pick her up from school and they would go to the McDonald's drive-through after. And I was so jealous. I thought— I was like, yeah, my parents wouldn't do that. And now I realized like it was like child abuse. But I was so jealous. I was like, this girl has like the best life ever. And you realize like, that was crazy. Speaker B: She's no longer with us, I'm sure. Speaker A: My mom— my mom famously drank like 8 Cokes a day because it was just like, it wasn't— no one was talking about it being bad.

It wasn't— it was just like what you did. Speaker B: It's yummy. Speaker C: Yeah, there was no diabetes, I'm sure. Speaker A: No, my My mom is, thank God, snatched, and that's— that bodes well for me. But I just, I just think that that era— Speaker B: Linda's looking better than ever. Speaker A: I think that era, people were just eating crazy because there was no— Speaker C: but you're right, you're right. Now it's like a thing, like, go and Instagram it. Like, it's like, I want to investigate. Speaker A: Yeah, I want to do an investigation about how now, like, upper middle class white people have romanticized going to Raising Cane's and In-N-Out and Chick-fil-A Chipotle because I don't know, I just don't, that's not what I think of as like a little treat personally, but I also think it's just good.

Speaker B: I think it's a little treat. You know, you're, you, you go out to the club till 2 in the morning, you hit the drive-thru, get some chicken nuggets and some fries and some barbecue Chipotle ranch. That's a treat, right? Yes. Speaker A: No, it is a treat. I think of treats as sweet, which is my doubt. That's my problem. Speaker C: Sweet treat. Speaker A: You know what I mean? Speaker B: You get a Blizzard at McDonald's. Speaker A: Are you, you're tall, aren't you? Speaker C: Yeah, I'm like 5'10".

Well, how'd you— Speaker A: oh, you are— Speaker C: you just knew by how I put my hands up? Speaker A: Well, Jason's 6'9", so we, we've never— you're as tall as it gets, I think, as far as female guests go. Speaker C: Wait, how tall are you? Speaker B: I'm 6'9". Chris is— Chris is 6'4". Speaker C: Yeah, we're like a basketball team. But how could you tell I was tall? Because I put my hand up? Speaker A: I just had a feeling about you, honestly. I could just— Speaker C: Wait, how tall are you?

Speaker B: I'm 6'9". Chris is— Chris is 6'4". Speaker C: Yeah, we're like a basketball team. But how could you tell I was tall? Because I put my hand up? Speaker A: I just had a feeling about you, honestly. I could just— Speaker B: you have long features. Speaker C: Wait, we— I have tall person energy? Speaker A: You have tall person— there's a confidence that comes with being tall. That most, you know, some shorties don't have. Speaker B: Big dick energy. Speaker A: Yeah, you got big dick energy. And that's— Speaker B: Big dick swinging over here.

Speaker A: You came in swanging. Speaker B: She lives upstate, but the dick is in the city somewhere around Jersey Turnpike. All right. Speaker A: So, all right. Jennifer, if I go into your— if I go into your office— Speaker B: What's the name of the WNBA team in Minnesota, Jennifer? I just think it's important that women— Speaker C: Don't send me that. Don't send me that. Speaker A: All right, no, if I go— all right, so your office is in, is in SoHo, uh, which is— Speaker C: newsflash— Speaker A: oh, I thought it was— I thought that was the whole thing.

Speaker C: It was. Oh, you moved just 20 or no, 18 years. Speaker A: You better not have gone to— you better not have gone to WSA. I'm gonna fucking freak out. Speaker C: Oh my God, Chris, I'm obsessed with you. No, I didn't, but I was so close. Speaker A: I made the right decision. Speaker C: Am I— one of the girls that works for me came to look She's like, you cannot betray yourself like this. She's like, this is not you. Speaker A: And I was like, give her a raise.

I don't know her, but give her a raise. Speaker C: I got to talk to her. She was like, Jen, this is so not you. And I'm like, but the spa and the thing, like, I want to go, I want to go to the— Speaker B: and she's just like, don't be tempted. Speaker C: I got so tempted. And thank God. I mean, I feel bad because I want to go to the spa. So anyone listening, I still want to go. Speaker A: And I was like, give her a raise.

I don't know her, but give her a raise. Speaker C: I got to talk to her. She was like, Jen, this is so not you. And I'm like, but the spa and the thing, like, I want to go, I want to go to the— Speaker B: and she's just like, don't be tempted. Speaker C: I got so tempted. And thank God. I mean, I feel bad because I want to go to the spa. So anyone listening, I still want to go. Speaker A: You can still go to the spa. I'm sure they'll accept your US tender.

But you moved the office. Speaker C: Yeah. And it's so great. It's like, it's like I really have good real real estate karma, because this is— it's not a traditional— like, I've never had like traditional. It feels like— they feel— I have to say, they're cool. I have a cool— Speaker A: what level of hoarder are you though when moving office? Speaker C: Not at all. I'm like a— the problem is like when, when we first moved, like, I was in the stair at Lehigh building before Martha Stewart, before that became cool, when it was like a rundown weird— I've had really good like real estate karma in these like cool places.

And I remember I remember when I moved from there to the place in SoHo and I was like, oh, I'm going to like make it nice. And I had so many Polaroids, so many Polaroids, so many Polaroids. Like, I mean, just like shit tons of Polaroids. And I remember like wanting to get rid of stuff and I still regret it to this day. I kept tons of Polaroids. Speaker A: How do you store them? Do you store them in like baseball card books or in boxes? Speaker C: Boxes. I used to have books.

I used to have this insane— Speaker A: Yeah, like sleeves. That's what I would imagine. Speaker C: With an insane like walk-in library. You couldn't believe it. It was like an art installation and they were all like alphabetical and it was just like, 'cause we used to, that's how we used to do this. It's like the kids that work for me now can't believe it. You, you, it's like I'd get a casting job, you bring the books down, go through the things. Yeah. Oh, this person could be good. This person could be good.

Like I had hundreds and hundreds of books. And then when we'd do like a scouting job, we'd go scouting like, you know, whatever, all over the world, get the Polaroids, put, make a Polaroid book and then FedEx like 5 of them to send to Prada or whatever in Milan. And then they're going through the books of Polaroid scouting like this. I mean, it was so expensive. Speaker C: Boxes. I used to have books. I used to have this insane— Speaker A: Yeah, like sleeves. That's what I would imagine. Speaker C: With an insane like walk-in library.

You couldn't believe it. It was like an art installation and they were all like alphabetical and it was just like, 'cause we used to, that's how we used to do this. It's like the kids that work for me now can't believe it. You, you, it's like I'd get a casting job, you bring the books down, go through the things. Yeah. Oh, this person could be good. This person could be good. Like I had hundreds and hundreds of books. And then when we'd do like a scouting job, we'd go scouting like, you know, whatever, all over the world, get the Polaroids, put, make a Polaroid book and then FedEx like 5 of them to send to Prada or whatever in Milan.

And then they're going through the books of Polaroid scouting like this. I mean, it was so expensive. Speaker B: And you're just hoping that the phone number on the back of the Polaroid is still the correct number for the person or whatever. Speaker C: And we'd have like an assembly line making these books together. It's like so crazy. But anyway, so I did throw like a little bit of a bag out and I remember when I was making my book. Can I ask you a question? The Art and Alchemy of Casting.

Speaker A: Great book. Amazing book. Speaker C: Available, available in all bookstores and online. Speaker A: Don't worry, you can go to A24 and get get your, you know, you can get your little apron and your hat and your pizza cutter and your sweatband, but they also have books over there. Speaker C: And the book is very good. I mean, I have to say, I'm very proud of it. Speaker A: It's— no, it's amazing book. And I think that that style of book is so much more like the Sofia Coppola book, or, you know, the— there's a Chloé Sevigny one coming.

Like, that style of book is so interesting to look— I don't know, for me, that's like a very fun way to, to look at something. Speaker C: And we— and we put the— so the work that that took, though, it was like a lot of work. Imagine, like, the amount of— so when I— when I— my point was is that I was a little bit like not a hoarder. I wanted to get rid of things and clean and blah, blah, blah. And now I'm so glad that I kept all that, 'cause when I went to go make the book, it was like I had so much, you know what I mean?

Speaker C: And we— and we put the— so the work that that took, though, it was like a lot of work. Imagine, like, the amount of— so when I— when I— my point was is that I was a little bit like not a hoarder. I wanted to get rid of things and clean and blah, blah, blah. And now I'm so glad that I kept all that, 'cause when I went to go make the book, it was like I had so much, you know what I mean? Speaker B: So that's a good, for all of our hoarder listeners out there, if your partner is threatening to leave you, just say like, just wait until the book.

Speaker C: Till the book or the gallery. I always thought I was gonna have a gallery show. Exactly. But I do, I do have to say I am an organized person that saves certain things. I'm not like, I was talking about my friend Melissa, like she is, She has probably every ticket stub of everything they ever did on tour and everything. I'm like, no, I'm not. Speaker B: You're not a hoarder, you're an archivist. Speaker C: Exactly. Yes, Jason, that's, that's too— Speaker A: I'm somewhere in between, but I think I'm not an alcoholic.

Speaker B: I like mixology. Speaker A: I just— no, I like the orange peel on fire. It has nothing to do with alcohol. It's, it's just a fun thing to do. Speaker B: Okay, Jennifer, I want to, I want to talk a little bit about people watching because I know that's one of of Chris and my favorite pastimes as well. I recall, you know, the— some of the first times I'll go and hang out in New York with Chris, we would sit on the bench at Balthazar and just look at all the freaks go by.

And I think nowadays, because of our traveling schedule, the airport is probably our favorite people-watching place. Would you agree with that, or do you have other hot spots? Speaker C: That was— that was my favorite back in the day. When we age ourselves, of like when people could actually bring people to the gate. Speaker C: That was— that was my favorite back in the day. When we age ourselves, of like when people could actually bring people to the gate. Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Speaker C: Oh my God, you saw some epic, like, people that were never going to see each other again, or, you know, like their breakups, or like when people would be waiting on the gate for the person to get off the thing, like makeout sessions.

You cannot, like, like, just next level. Speaker B: Like, and then Al Qaeda fucked that all up, didn't it? Speaker C: I know. I mean, I was little like that. Speaker A: I don't forget. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker B: Oh, also, Jennifer, really quick, could you move your hair back behind your ear on the microphone side? It was just getting a little staticky. Okay, you're good. Speaker C: But also the emergency room. I mean, whenever I have to go— so I love an emergency room. I love— Speaker B: hey, I know you're dying right now, but here's my card.

Speaker A: Honestly, your nose, I just can't— take my card. Speaker C: Take my card. No, I'm not scouting. This is just— I always say, like, people watch movies, so I learn about performances And like, how I view performances is through how I experience life. And when I'm feeling something from real life watching, that's the barometer I'm using when I'm watching someone's performance. I'm not basing it on other— like, this is why I have an instrument that can see when something feels authentic, is because I'm deeply watching people experiencing life and, and casting them through telepathy, I'm sure.

Speaker A: Yeah, just let them know. Can I— all right, another question about this. Speaker B: You will be the fat guy in Marty Supreme. Speaker C: But I want to wait. I just want to say the other thing is, is that these things— my favorite thing is finding a place. And this is why I say a hospital. I mean, an airport is that, the DMV, jury duty, places where people that wouldn't likely cross paths are forced to cross paths. That is my hotspot because the juxtapositions of people like having to share space is fascinating to me.

Speaker A: Yeah, just let them know. Can I— all right, another question about this. Speaker B: You will be the fat guy in Marty Supreme. Speaker C: But I want to wait. I just want to say the other thing is, is that these things— my favorite thing is finding a place. And this is why I say a hospital. I mean, an airport is that, the DMV, jury duty, places where people that wouldn't likely cross paths are forced to cross paths. That is my hotspot because the juxtapositions of people like having to share space is fascinating to me.

Speaker B: Just watching a billionaire and next to this person or just like— Speaker C: because what I'm, you know, I, I, I, I, I got to casting through documentary. I mean, I was doing casting before, but like, I thought I was going down the, you know, the filmmaking. Speaker A: Well, hey, thank God you chose this. I bet you make a lot more money. So that's good. That, that upstate house ain't paying for itself. Speaker C: I know. I mean, I know. So, but that, but, but But I do feel like— but my point was why I said that was because— wait, what was I saying?

You asked me, now I just forgot. Speaker B: You were about to talk about how you're anti-unions, I think. Speaker C: I'm actually scouting for the union. Speaker B: Well, I was curious because whenever your name appears on the credits of a film, the producer will be PJ, the director DJ. Yeah. The casting agent is CSA, which is— Speaker C: Director. Director, not agent. Speaker B: Well, I was curious because whenever your name appears on the credits of a film, the producer will be PJ, the director DJ. Yeah. The casting agent is CSA, which is— Speaker C: Director.

Director, not agent. Speaker B: Okay. Well, okay. CSA appears next to your name. Speaker C: No, you call me— you know, I just want to tell you, casting agent is not what it is. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: You're saying it's casting director. Speaker C: Yeah. Casting agent is like a myth. That's this idea that we're like agents. We're not. Speaker A: Oh, I see. You're saying that the words mean different things because of what the actual job is. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker B: Yeah. I apologize for using the business term.

And I know that you work in an ethereal manner that is It's not of us, but of the Casting Society, the CSA, you know, suffix Casting Society. Speaker C: Yeah, it— Speaker B: that's not a union, correct? That's just a society of elite casting directors. Speaker A: What the fuck is a society? Speaker C: I know, you're right, it's interesting. But we do have a casting union where it's, uh, Local 817. It's— we're part of the Teamster Union. Speaker B: Okay, so what is the— what are the pros and cons of the Casting Society versus the casting union, Local Teamsters?

Speaker C: I'm not— I mean, I don't feel like I'm— I don't— there's— what do you mean? The, the Casting Society is the support you have of your peers, and union makes sure you get paid. Exactly. So the union, like, we get pension and welfare, they make sure we're paid if there's issues. Speaker B: So why doesn't— why, why don't you have the union suffix on the credits instead of just simply the society? Speaker B: So why doesn't— why, why don't you have the union suffix on the credits instead of just simply the society?

Speaker C: No one has brought this up, Jason. This is— I'm gonna bring this up The next— I'm a newbie. Let me just first say that I've only been doing film, you know, for like maybe 12 years. Speaker B: Mhm, you're a baby. Speaker C: Yeah. And like, these— my nominees, my fellow nominees, like, I think some of them are 30-plus years. I think— Speaker A: wait, how you— hold on, how are you feeling about this? Are we going to take this shit home? Speaker C: Wait, wait, let me just finish this because I want to— I want to— Speaker A: I want to— Speaker C: I want to give credit to these incredible people that are part of the CSA and probably part of my union.

Speaker B: They work— practicing the speech right now for the Oscars. Speaker C: You get So this is genuine. They worked tirelessly. I don't even understand the path of like, you know, because I haven't even been in it as long, but they've been fighting for this and like, I'm just so grateful. Speaker A: Oh, I see. You're saying they've been in the trenches for years and now I see. Speaker C: Trying to get recognized and trying to get seen and fighting this and fighting this. And it's just serendipitous that I happen to have a film the year that it happened to go through.

And I feel like I'm just like riding the coattails of these people that have been fighting to be seen and, and I just, I, I, it's, it's almost like surreal. Speaker B: And you have a little guilt about that or no? Speaker C: Yes, I do have guilt. Speaker B: It's okay. It's okay. I mean, I would, I would too in your situation. Speaker C: I, I feel like I've, I could say there's many women and men that come before me that like, God, I, I hope, I hope they're gonna do some honorary thing forever that for all the people that didn't get to get it.

Speaker A: No, no, no, no. Speaker B: You either win or you don't. Once they die, they'll show a black and white photo of them. Speaker A: No, no, no, no. Speaker B: You either win or you don't. Once they die, they'll show a black and white photo of them. Speaker A: You either win or you don't. Speaker B: About 2 hours later. Speaker A: Don't play with us. What are you wearing to the Oscars? What's the fit? Speaker C: Uh, I don't want to say yet because I want— but I have some designer friends that I'm speaking with and I haven't— that's going to happen next week, so we'll see.

Speaker B: You don't want Du Moi and TMZ to get all over what designer you're gonna wear? Speaker C: It's like, what if it doesn't— what if it doesn't work out? And then I said it. Speaker A: So do you have to— do you have to sit at the table with Tyler, the Creator? Are they going to put you somewhere else? Speaker C: There's not a table. Speaker A: I'm joking. Speaker C: Oh yeah, you guys, who do you guys want to win? You could be honest. Speaker B: In your category?

Speaker C: Yeah, do— I do not— I'm not saying me, but who do you guys really— Speaker B: you're the only name on the category who I've heard of. Speaker A: I don't really see— I haven't seen any of these movies. Speaker B: Okay, so we got, we got Hamnet, Nina Gold. Speaker C: Are you dead serious? Speaker B: Yeah, about what? Speaker C: You haven't seen One Battle After Another? Speaker B: No. Chris doesn't really see movies. Speaker C: Why am I on this? I'm like, this is so cool.

Speaker A: I like you. I like you because you do a cool job. Speaker B: I think Chris has an eye for beauty out in the world, and I think you should respect that. I watch films. I actually, I actually respect your— Speaker A: I respect I like your job more than most jobs of people we have on this podcast. Speaker B: I think Chris hates a cinematographer. Speaker C: Wait, why did you guys want to have me on here? Why did you guys want to— Speaker A: because I, I love the book.

I mean, I, I've— I love the book. Speaker C: What made you get the book? I just— Speaker A: what was it? Uh, Caitlin Phillips. Speaker C: Okay, are you friends with her? Speaker A: Yeah, but I also— I mean, I, I'm aware of like— I don't need to see the movies. Speaker C: Why didn't we talk then? Speaker A: I can't remember. I think it was like just like a timing thing. I think it was just like a Okay, wait, can I— Speaker A: what was it? Uh, Caitlin Phillips.

Speaker C: Okay, are you friends with her? Speaker A: Yeah, but I also— I mean, I, I'm aware of like— I don't need to see the movies. Speaker C: Why didn't we talk then? Speaker A: I can't remember. I think it was like just like a timing thing. I think it was just like a Okay, wait, can I— Speaker C: oh, I shouldn't say it on here, but anyways. Speaker A: No, go ahead. What? Speaker C: It's a more woo-woo thing that when— for, for Caitlyn, for her, um, her thank you gift, you know, for helping me on the thing.

Yeah, I gave her a session with this like seer, and he predicted— he predicted the French man. Speaker A: Wow, really? Speaker C: And so she like still to this day is just like, oh my God. I think she's told everyone, so now all her friends go to this person thinking it's gonna happen. Speaker A: That is a That's amazing though. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: I also think that this, I— Speaker C: Let's just, for the listeners, this person married a French man after. Speaker B: What's the difference between a seer and a psychic?

Speaker C: I'm just saying it that way. 'Cause there's— Speaker B: Is that like CSA and the casting union? Speaker C: There's a loaded, there's load, a loaded meaning on and judgment on psychic and— Speaker B: Sure, sure. It's a rebranding. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker B: Okay, so we got Hamnet, Marty Supreme, One Battle After Another, Secret Agent, and Sinners. Yeah, for casting, who's it gonna— Speaker C: I mean, I think you're, you're definitely in the front run, but have you seen— I don't think that, but what— have you seen them all?

Speaker B: I've seen Sinners, One Battle After Another, and Marty Supreme. Speaker C: I'm— Speaker B: but I really want to see Secret Agent. Hamnet, I don't know if I want to see it. Speaker C: Hamnet is off-brand for you guys. Speaker A: Every time I see the word Hamnet, I'm like, this is spelled wrong. Like, it doesn't feel like— it doesn't feel like a, a real thing. Speaker B: I've seen Sinners, One Battle After Another, and Marty Supreme. Speaker C: I'm— Speaker B: but I really want to see Secret Agent.

Hamnet, I don't know if I want to see it. Speaker C: Hamnet is off-brand for you guys. Speaker A: Every time I see the word Hamnet, I'm like, this is spelled wrong. Like, it doesn't feel like— it doesn't feel like a, a real thing. Speaker C: I have to say though, I I love— I mean, I love— I loved the movie, but I love— I really like Chloe Zhao. I don't know, did you guys ever see The Rider? Speaker B: Yeah, she, she's great. I'm a fan of her. Speaker C: Yeah.

Speaker A: Okay, well, we don't care about any of these people because we want you to win. Speaker B: Despite me being a fan of her, I still won't see it. Speaker C: Can I be honest with you that like all of this is very surreal? I'm not like a very, um, like I like recognition and I love, I love that the like craft is being recognized and I love that this thing that I was like an outsider, you know, on for so long is now like becoming more mainstream. Like, I see all these kids with Street Casting.

Yeah, yeah, you know, Instagram. Then I see— I'm just like, it's so mind-blowing. When I started this, you guys, no one did this, and it was insane to just like try to push the concept on people. So to live in a world now where this is just like so normal and that I'm able to do it on the level I'm able to do it— Speaker A: let me tell you something, it's normal for It's— I've always thought about this. Fellas can't do this job. Speaker C: You're right. Speaker A: Fellas cannot do this job.

Speaker B: Fellas can't approach teens in the mall and tell them they're hot. Speaker C: No. Speaker A: Any— but anyway, any man. Speaker C: I've had even— you guys, you're right, because I almost have to cast the people that will work for me, you know, and work with me. But you're right. I've tried even gay men. It's been hard. Like back in the day, I had two great guys that worked for me and it was like— Speaker C: You're right. Speaker A: Fellas cannot do this job. Speaker B: Fellas can't approach teens in the mall and tell them they're hot.

Speaker C: No. Speaker A: Any— but anyway, any man. Speaker C: I've had even— you guys, you're right, because I almost have to cast the people that will work for me, you know, and work with me. But you're right. I've tried even gay men. It's been hard. Like back in the day, I had two great guys that worked for me and it was like— Speaker B: they have to be super gay in order for it to work. Speaker C: It's really hard. And, you know, back in the day, it was hard for me even.

Even, like, meaning, meaning, because of your height. No, but it's hard for women with men. They always think you're trying to pick them up or that it's like some ulterior motive. Speaker B: Back in the day, now it's like, they're like, I don't want to fuck you, I just think you'll have an interesting look. Speaker A: Okay, yeah, it's tough, it's tough. How do we clear that up without being super direct? Speaker C: And sometimes you're in weird environments. Speaker A: You're in a strip club, you're in this, you're in, you know, yeah, you, you in Panama City for 2 months, you know, I don't even want to know what you saw down there.

Speaker C: It was insane. All of a sudden the star of the movie is a fucking armadillo. Speaker A: We don't know what happened. Speaker B: The armadillo will do nudity though. Speaker C: West Virginia. I don't see— I can't say this stuff here, but like, I've been in scary things. I've had intense— I've had to do Texas, like the rodeo thing, like by myself. I remember sleeping against the motel with my, like, back against the door, like, back in the day. Like, yeah, it was— there was intense things. I remember being in, like, was it Budapest?

The guy would not listen to me. He— my assistant was a man, a guy, and he would only listen to him. And he kept saying, she's the boss. Speaker B: Like, Well, and he said, does not compute. Speaker C: Exactly. Speaker B: Like, Well, and he said, does not compute. Speaker C: Exactly. Speaker A: Let me ask you what— let me ask you a question. Who, who have you completely out of the blue street cast that has gone on to do— Speaker C: I mean, I don't think in that way, but also I don't think because there's, there's different things.

Like obviously we, you know, there's Angus Cloud and Hunter Schafer. That, that wasn't exactly street. Hunter wasn't like found on the street. I just sure like researched and found her through her modeling agency, you know what I mean? I mean, there's different, there's different ways of like non-traditional. You mean like literally just start? Speaker A: Well, I guess Angus would be that, you know, because he was fully, he was fully just like a guy. Speaker C: Yeah. And one of the girls that worked for me was coming home late at night.

She saw him and his friend. They thought she— they were like, no, this is weird. She gave him the card. And then the next day, Angus was such a curious, open-hearted person. He was like, I want to go see what it was. His friend's like, I'm not going. And he came to my office and he walked in the door and he was just an amazing person, and that was how it all happened. And, you know, I'm trying to think who else. There's like— Speaker A: that's a good— that's good though.

I mean, that's a good— that's what you want. Speaker B: What, what about the big boy in Marty Supreme, Luke? Speaker C: That, that was from online. But yeah, oh my God, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna do a— I'm gonna do a talk with him. He just— I just got him a manager. I'm really excited. I hope other people— I hope that he gets other stuff, because he was a— he came in and And, you know, I do this process with people. I usually do like in-depth interviews just because I'm so, I'm so curious about people.

Speaker B: Get you a podcast mic, Jennifer. Speaker C: Exactly. I know if I could find a good producer, if I had a partner in crime, I would, I would love to do it. Speaker B: We can talk budgets after. Speaker C: Okay. Um, but I, so I do these interviews because I'm genuinely curious and I'm trying to find if there's like any correlation between them and the character, you know, that they might be able to give insight to. And then after they like kind of warm up from that, we usually do like improvisational things just to see like, can they be natural in front of the camera?

Can they like be playful? Can they bring some part of themselves— oops— into this? And, um, he was just a natural. He's so funny, so joyful, so— oh, what's that? What's what, Chris? Why do you have a microphone? I've had a microphone the whole time. Oh, it was suddenly like I didn't notice it. Speaker B: I've never seen anyone be scared that there's a microphone on a podcast. Speaker A: You're like, hold the fuck on, what is that? Why is that in the shot? Speaker C: Yeah, I thought it was like on a stand before.

Speaker A: No, no, I go raw dog. Speaker C: Oh, okay, okay. Speaker B: I let it fly. Speaker A: I'll let it float. Speaker C: Anyways, so yeah, he was very playful, very present, very like, you know, you're looking for them to be able to bring their unique signature to these lines of this thing, and then there's like an alchemy that makes it like alive and special. And like, Luke is very So we're hoping that— I mean, I feel like other people could use them. Sometimes we find people and it's like— Speaker B: We're bullish on Luke.

Speaker C: Keith. Do you remember Keith Williams? Do you remember Uncut Gems? The guy at the end that kills the Al Mahaj character? Speaker B: We're bullish on Luke. Speaker C: Keith. Do you remember Keith Williams? Do you remember Uncut Gems? The guy at the end that kills the Al Mahaj character? Speaker A: No. I mean, I saw that movie actually, but I don't remember that. Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What a face, huh? Speaker C: Yeah, the eyes and stuff. He still does stuff, but he's never like— he's not doing mainstream things or things like that.

So some people, I'm trying to think, like, who— like, Hunter is a perfect example. She barely was interested. She wasn't interested in acting. It was not her path. She was going to go to school in London for fashion. And we really were like— was like, come on, I think you should try. I think you should try. And she did it. And it's obviously she's a natural. And she's someone that's now had— has a diverse career. Career. But some people, it's more just like that experience. People have the experience and then they like go on with their life.

Speaker A: Yeah, like we did. I did it. It was a weird wrinkle in my, in my life. And now— Speaker C: did you, or you're saying— Speaker A: oh, no, no, no, no. Speaker B: I did a lot of music video extra work, but that's as far as my cinematic career went. But, but, but to your point, I was cast because I was the tall guy. And like, you know, back then, music videos us, you know, we need one of everything. Speaker C: Were you streetcast? Speaker B: Um, I was streetcast sometimes, yeah, but I had an agent after a while.

Speaker C: You did? Like a, like a, like an acting agent or model? Speaker B: I mean, pretty much just for music video work. Speaker A: Okay, I was about to say, I think it's a secret third thing. Speaker C: Were you streetcast? Speaker B: Um, I was streetcast sometimes, yeah, but I had an agent after a while. Speaker C: You did? Like a, like a, like an acting agent or model? Speaker B: I mean, pretty much just for music video work. Speaker A: Okay, I was about to say, I think it's a secret third thing.

Speaker B: Yeah, where I did no acting or modeling. Yes. Uh, look, I'm no urchin, okay? I'm decent, guys. Speaker C: Come on. Speaker A: No, I think, you know, I think you're great. Speaker B: You know that. Speaker A: Uh, Jennifer, thank you for joining us Jennifer on How Long Gone. Our fingers are crossed for you, uh, to take this Oscar home. We love your work. Speaker B: Uh, get the book. Speaker A: I'm sure it's still available, or maybe it's sold out. Speaker B: You gotta thank How Long Gone if you win the Oscar.

It's just kind of part of the deal. Speaker C: Oh my God. Oh my God, you guys, we need a shout out. This was so fun. Speaker A: We had a blast. Hopefully we'll see you soon, and thank you for taking the time. Speaker C: Sounds good. Speaker B: Thanks, Jennifer. Speaker C: Bye. Thank you. You should learn how to say no. My last day. Speaker A: Mine is forever.