906. - Chris & Jason

Speaker A: All right, uh, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it 3 times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you? Speaker B: We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place.

Speaker A: All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube. Happy Sunday, Them Jeans. Uh, what's really good with you, bro? Speaker B: Chris, always for the ladies. Happy Side Chick Sunday to all of those who celebrate. Speaker A: What was the What were they saying about like men having their own gala? Was it— what was it called? Because there's galantines for the ladies, but then men were felatines. Is that what it was? Speaker B: I think it's felantines, perhaps. Speaker A: Felantines mean you did a bid.

That does not mean the guys get together to have some cold ones. That doesn't really work the same way. It doesn't roll. Speaker B: Okay, when they do a bid, you mean the fellas get together to all boof each other in their fifis? Speaker A: I just mean there's only— if you're gonna go to Felentine's Day, you have to have done— you can't do that unless you've been to prison, is what I'm saying. That's, that's, that's prison graduation. More about that. Speaker B: Okay, when they do a bid, you mean the fellas get together to all boof each other in their fifis?

Speaker A: I just mean there's only— if you're gonna go to Felentine's Day, you have to have done— you can't do that unless you've been to prison, is what I'm saying. That's, that's, that's prison graduation. More about that. Speaker B: Say more about that. Speaker A: I just mean, if felon's in the title, it just seems crazy. Speaker B: Oh no, no, no, fellas. Speaker A: F-E-L-L-A-S. Oh, okay, that's what I thought. Yeah, that's what I thought too. Fellas time. It still doesn't work that well, honestly. It doesn't really flow, but that makes a little more sense, dude.

Speaker B: Felentine's You are onto something. That's a real kind of mugshot shouties collab project. Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, the Hot Felon could host, you know what I mean? He could get $5K for the hosting. I could see this happening in Atlanta. Speaker B: Do you have felon kink? Speaker A: Not personally. Not personally. Felontines in Atlanta is a DL party for on Valentine's Day. That's what it is first and foremost. Speaker B: Okay. Well, Felontines. It has like a— I guess if we have the Galantines and we have the Felontines, then are we— is this like a situation where like we will do anything in the world except hang out with the person that we've chosen to spend the rest of our lives with?

Is that what's going on? Speaker A: Well, I think these— Speaker B: I think these are just for people who do not have relash. Speaker A: I think it's for people who are, who are unfortunately not coupled up during this difficult— but I was out last night. It was fucking packed out there, man. I tell you what, I thought that shit. I thought that like buying a couple roses and taking your chick out on the actual day. I thought that was sort of— oh, I just thought people knew just to wait a day or go a day before so you don't have an obnoxious prix fixe menu.

But I guess maybe that's not the case. I think it's a great holiday to celebrate, you just have to do it on the day, you know what I mean? Well, I always— you know, you know me, Jason, I always do Christmas on the 26th. Of course, I'm not getting caught up. I'm not getting caught up in all that mess. No, we're talking— Speaker A: Well, I think these— Speaker B: I think these are just for people who do not have relash. Speaker A: I think it's for people who are, who are unfortunately not coupled up during this difficult— but I was out last night.

It was fucking packed out there, man. I tell you what, I thought that shit. I thought that like buying a couple roses and taking your chick out on the actual day. I thought that was sort of— oh, I just thought people knew just to wait a day or go a day before so you don't have an obnoxious prix fixe menu. But I guess maybe that's not the case. I think it's a great holiday to celebrate, you just have to do it on the day, you know what I mean? Well, I always— you know, you know me, Jason, I always do Christmas on the 26th.

Of course, I'm not getting caught up. I'm not getting caught up in all that mess. No, we're talking— Speaker B: we're not talking about baby mama Christmas. There's, there's side chick Sundays after day of You know, February 15th. And then there's, there's baby mama Christmas, which is Boxing Day in Europe and parts of Canada as well. And that's when you spend Christmas with your unchosen family. Is that what we'll call it? Speaker A: This is your chosen family? Hell no, brother. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Unchosen. Speaker B: Your chick didn't choose me.

Speaker A: Unchosen family. Oh God. Speaker B: I've decided to celebrate this year with my unchosen family. The family that I have to hang out with legally. Great way to describe parents if you don't like your parents. Speaker A: This is my unchosen family. I can, I can see it. I could see it now. I could see that. Speaker B: Oh, that's good. That's very— we don't say suicide, you guys. We say unalived. And we don't say XYZ, we say— Speaker A: yeah, there's always another— there's always a new word.

There's always a new word to replace a word that does the job just fine. There's always, there's always somebody innovating. Speaker A: This is my unchosen family. I can, I can see it. I could see it now. I could see that. Speaker B: Oh, that's good. That's very— we don't say suicide, you guys. We say unalived. And we don't say XYZ, we say— Speaker A: yeah, there's always another— there's always a new word. There's always a new word to replace a word that does the job just fine. There's always, there's always somebody innovating.

Speaker B: And that did the job just fine for so long. Speaker A: For so long. Speaker B: Yeah, we're gonna innovate ourselves to death, aren't we? Oh. Yeah, so, so what did you do for, for Valentine's Day? Speaker A: Nothing. I mean, Alex had to work, so it wasn't really a— it wasn't really a big— we're gonna, we're gonna do something tonight, but I mean, I had to— Speaker B: I went to do on Valentine's Day nothing. Speaker A: Nothing. I mean, I went to the Kate Show. Was it 7 PM on Valentine's Day?

Which I really appreciate that big F. Nice touch. Big F you. Speaker B: Good little activity. Speaker A: Did that and then came straight home. Um, I did get— I did— was— I was able to have a, a cinnamon roll from Frenchette waiting on Alex when she got from work, which is a— her— one of her personal favorite sweet treats. Um, which I have to highly recommend everything from that. It's the one Frenchette place that is amazing, is the bakery. It's so good. Everything is so good. It's, it's pretty— Speaker B: you're talking about the, the little one that's over in the little hallway in Tribeca.

Speaker A: It's in the office. It's in the office. Speaker B: Yeah, it's like a little kiosk-y window. Yeah, you feel like you're going to court. Speaker A: Uh, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's the best. Speaker B: That's the Frenchette where you feel like you're going to court. Speaker A: It's the Frenchette that doesn't have a fucking weird sausage with sauce on it for $36. Speaker A: It's in the office. It's in the office. Speaker B: Yeah, it's like a little kiosk-y window. Yeah, you feel like you're going to court. Speaker A: Uh, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, it's the best. Speaker B: That's the Frenchette where you feel like you're going to court. Speaker A: It's the Frenchette that doesn't have a fucking weird sausage with sauce on it for $36. Speaker B: It's just, uh, you're lucky you're getting out of there for $36 with the sausage, brother. Speaker A: I don't— sausage prices are crazy right now, but that's it really. And then, you know, I mean, I think that if you're still participating on, on the 14th, I— that just feels like a fool's errand unless your chick has got gun to head.

You know, that just feel— I really does feel like it feels like diminishing returns. That's all. You can sell, you can just celebrate a different way is all. Speaker B: Oh yeah, I was, um, I, I, we're up in Santa Barbara right now doing a last-minute getaway bop-up, but ran into a friend who owned some restaurants and he was saying like, weird to see you guys out. I figured, you know, the only people that are people like you who are going out on Valentine's Day is because you fucked up somehow and you're like, you're, you're— it's doghouse Tuesdays at At Applebee's because like, oh no, no, let's go.

No, we should go. Speaker A: No, we should totally go. No, we should totally go. No, if you want to go, it's fine. We can go. Speaker B: It's cool. Speaker A: If you want to go, I'm happy to go. Speaker B: Whatever you want. Speaker A: No, I mean, it's really, it is one of, it is, it is true that it was invented by Hallmark, correct? Or is that just a vicious, is that just a vicious rumor? I feel like that. I feel like there's a lot of truth to that.

It feels real. But I don't have confirmation. Speaker B: I think it may have been invented by R&B's Tank. Oh, he's such a romantic. Speaker A: He's romantic. He's one of my favorite singers, Tank. Speaker B: I think it may have been invented by R&B's Tank. Oh, he's such a romantic. Speaker A: He's romantic. He's one of my favorite singers, Tank. Speaker B: It was invented by Trey Songz, the ghost of Trey Songz. Speaker A: I love Trigger Trey. Now Trigger Trey is alive and well. Don't do that to my man.

He's doing 100 pushups before he goes on stage right now somewhere in Jakarta trying to get that, trying to get a little check. Speaker B: I thought he was in jail getting stabbed. Speaker A: Why? Because he stole your bitch? No, no. Trigger Trey is out, bro. Speaker B: Don't do that. Speaker A: Okay. Speaker B: Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I was getting Trey Songz confused with Tory Lanez. My bad. My bad. Speaker A: Tory Lanez. Well, you see, it's because you've been reading DJ Vlad's post about how Roc Nation, um, that's right, you know, and that is obviously— I, I don't— it's, it's so cool because I don't think people realize that he's obviously joking.

Like, he's obviously basically saying everything that everyone's ever said to him in one post as if it were true. Speaker B: You think he's obviously joking about all of this? Speaker A: I mean, pull it up. Speaker B: Okay, DJ Vlad, who's like a— Speaker A: I mean If you don't know who DJ Vlad is, you can turn this off right now. Speaker B: I'm explaining who this person is to the hot people who listen to our podcast. Okay. All the uglies, you already know who DJ Vlad is. I have a confession.

Roc Nation has been paying me to support Megan Thee Stallion, I'm assuming. They also paid off all the jury members to convict Tory. They bribed the judge too. Jay-Z did a verse for his grandson's new album. They paid off that. Come on. Speaker A: That's obviously a joke. That's Jay-Z doing a verse for a grandson's album to get something. Speaker A: That's obviously a joke. That's Jay-Z doing a verse for a grandson's album to get something. Speaker B: Come on. I don't know anything about DJ Vlad except everyone seems to hate him.

He's like a white academics of some sort, but he's not white. Speaker A: He's not. Speaker B: What is he? But yes, he looks like Rabbi Shmuley in the fucking photo. Speaker A: I don't know who that is, but come on, bro. I really don't know who that is. Speaker B: DJ, isn't he like Russian? He looks kind of like a Russian Jew. DJ Vlad. Speaker A: Ukrainian-American. Speaker B: Okay. Hey, close, close call. Okay. They paid off Megan's doctors to lie about the bullet fragments. She was never shot. The

A. police are on Jay-Z's payroll. It doesn't stop with, but you're not ready for it. You're not ready to hear that part. Speaker A: I can't. There's too much. There's too much of this. Speaker B: We're halfway through. The Mexican guy who stabbed Tory in jail. Who do you think paid him to do that? You already know the answer. The [redacted address] judges who denied Tory's appeal, all paid off by the Rock Mafia. Jay-Z also paid Donald Trump not to pardon Tory. 'Even though it's a state case, he can only pardon federal cases, blah blah blah blah blah.

Even though Jay was not taking any chances because knowing Trump, he likes to bend the rules. I can't keep these lies a secret anymore. If this is my last tweet, you know who silenced me.' So I— okay, so if you're saying this is obviously a joke, I just didn't know that Vlad was— because this— if this is a joke, this is sort of like stone-faced pure deadpan satire on a high level. Speaker A: No, look, he may be being— Speaker A: No, look, he may be being— Speaker B: no, there's no winking at all.

Speaker A: Maybe, look, maybe he's being serious. It's a joke to me. Speaker B: This tweet has 7.3 million views. Of course it does. Speaker A: But that's like, I mean, some of this is— I just don't think Jay-Z did a verse for a judge's grandson. Honestly, that's the one that I believe the least of this. Speaker B: That seems like the one that feels very easily researchable. Speaker A: Yeah, that is. Speaker B: And we're like, you can, you can verify the authenticity of these statements pretty quickly by checking that one fact, I guess.

Speaker A: I mean, Vlad is a real shit star. I mean, he's, he's acting— it's the same shit there. It's just like dumbasses talking to the camera. But Vlad does some dramatic interview, you know, 60 Minutes style in his mind, uh, more than, more than Big, Big Ak and his little legs. Speaker B: Yes. Speaker A: Um, but the— we should talk about, um, we have a very important sit-down. Speaker B: We have a 4-part sit-down series exposé with Plaque Boy Max. Speaker A: Yeah, that he wishes he could get Plaque Boy Max.

He wishes he could get 5 more back. We should talk about J. Cole though, because I, I think that J. Cole driving around in a Honda Civic and selling CDs is one of the worst. Why does he want to pretend that he's poor so bad? Like, what do you think is— what do you think this is, dude? Because he's— he said this is his last album, thank God, but he's driving around in a Honda Civic like it's back in the day, and he's selling— he's selling his, his mixtape out of the trunk when he's a I don't know, probably $100 million, depending on, you know, the day of the week.

Speaker B: You know, you already know J. Cole, Cole World is responsible with his money. He's not blowing it on mink coats and steak bets. Speaker B: You know, you already know J. Cole, Cole World is responsible with his money. He's not blowing it on mink coats and steak bets. Speaker A: No, no, he would never do that. So I'm just wondering what— Speaker B: Steak the app, not the food. Speaker A: Like, it's cool that people are falling for it though. It's shocking to me how dumb it is. But people seem to be— people seem to be showing up.

He's playing basketball with strangers. Do you think he has security with him or do you think he's— He's such a— Speaker B: I think he's got one or two. Speaker A: Lo-fi beats to study to. It's all good because the fans are there. Speaker B: I think he's got a couple OGs. Okay, so I'm assuming Cole keeps his circle small. You feel me? Speaker A: You know. Speaker B: So you already know small circle, no chicks, no checks. There are no chicks. Speaker A: There are no chicks around J. Cole.

Speaker B: Cole World, small circle, no hoes. Speaker A: You go to a J. Cole show, the only women that are there are there to twist his locks. They are not there to— they're working. It's crazy. I just don't understand. Speaker B: Do you think the bartenders and the lock twisters ever link up? I digress. Okay. So what I think is going on is many, many artists, once they reach sort of the end of their career, whether they have chosen the ending line or the world has chosen it for them.

Speaker A: To be clear, he's, to be clear, he's bigger than he ever has been. He did 300,000 first week of this album, which is at this, at this, in this day and age, that's huge. Speaker B: Huge. And he independent. He's doing it without rock mafia. Or maybe he is. I have no idea. But all that is to say, not a guy who gets like a ton of radio play and club play. It's just like it's the heads really loving and supporting. But I think whenever you reach that end of your career and you're like, you know, my life is crazy, you look back on it like, damn, like, what is this?

And then you start thinking about, you know, I want to go back to the OG time, you know, and bands and artists and actors and everyone will do this of like, I lost my mojo. I lost my inspo. I lost myself. I have to get back to the original thing. I'm going to buy my old Honda Civic back that I used to drive around. You know, I'm sure Drake is going to start doing this eventually as well. Speaker B: Huge. And he independent. He's doing it without rock mafia. Or maybe he is.

I have no idea. But all that is to say, not a guy who gets like a ton of radio play and club play. It's just like it's the heads really loving and supporting. But I think whenever you reach that end of your career and you're like, you know, my life is crazy, you look back on it like, damn, like, what is this? And then you start thinking about, you know, I want to go back to the OG time, you know, and bands and artists and actors and everyone will do this of like, I lost my mojo.

I lost my inspo. I lost myself. I have to get back to the original thing. I'm going to buy my old Honda Civic back that I used to drive around. You know, I'm sure Drake is going to start doing this eventually as well. Speaker A: Like, I want to be clear. I want to be clear. J. Cole did put some new 15, you know, some Rockford, some subs in there, though. He didn't leave it. He didn't keep it stock. Speaker B: I'm getting reports that he also may have modified the suspension for a smoother ride.

Speaker A: But since he's going from state to state, it is a longer journey. Speaker B: You cannot quote me on that. Please do not quote me on that. But yes. And I also heard there are rumors trickling in that he upgraded the Apple CarPlay with the— Speaker A: Oh, he absolutely has Apple CarPlay. There's no way he doesn't. Speaker B: It pains me to say this. So I think he's like, okay, I need to go back to what it felt like when I was happy. Speaker A: Sure. Speaker B: And like on the cut, you know.

Well, what's the Don Draper line? You only like the beginning of things. He wants to go back to the beginning when it was cool and fun and exciting and hopeful and not when you have $100 million and everyone in the world constantly makes fun of you. I mean, he is, you know what I mean? Speaker A: Sure. Speaker B: And like on the cut, you know. Well, what's the Don Draper line? You only like the beginning of things. He wants to go back to the beginning when it was cool and fun and exciting and hopeful and not when you have $100 million and everyone in the world constantly makes fun of you.

I mean, he is, you know what I mean? Speaker A: But I mean, I guess, yeah, no, I, of course I know that. I mean, I just think that the, the issue is that will never work for anyone. There's absolutely no way to replicate the feeling of being on the verge of massive success once you have reached massive success. There's no way. Speaker B: There has to be a situation where someone has done it, right? Speaker A: No, it's impossible. How could you? That's why everybody's first record is usually their best, because it's their life's work and it's— everything was poured into it.

Speaker B: And then after that, you know, I spent my entire life writing my first book and I spent 9 months writing my second type. Speaker A: Yeah, it just doesn't make sense. It just doesn't. I just don't think this is— well, this isn't even about music though. This is like performative marketing. That's what's even more confusing about it. It's not like he, he did this, he went and like lived in a basement to get back in the zone to make this music. He's, he's just doing this to sell the music, which means, which feels a little bit more disingenuous than being like, I'm gonna go back to my parents' house to try to recapture the feeling so I can write music or whatever.

This feels, this feels strictly like a marketing tool. Speaker B: We're going, we're going back to Ian Mackay's porch. Speaker A: Exactly. Speaker B: And we're gonna, because these walls have magic in them or whatever. Or exactly, Green Day is gonna go back to Gilman Street for a freaking live show brought to you by Salesforce, or, you know, all that stuff. Speaker B: We're going, we're going back to Ian Mackay's porch. Speaker A: Exactly. Speaker B: And we're gonna, because these walls have magic in them or whatever. Or exactly, Green Day is gonna go back to Gilman Street for a freaking live show brought to you by Salesforce, or, you know, all that stuff.

Speaker A: You that? You saw that Jimmy, Jimmy World was playing at a Taco Bell, I think. Exactly. Speaker B: They're going back to their little fat ass roots, back to when they had the little cinnamon twisters on deck. Speaker A: Jimmy, Jimmy World, you guys got some slaps. That is one of the ugliest posters I've ever seen in my entire life for that tour. Speaker B: If you, you can— Speaker A: unbelievable. Speaker B: You should look up— it's a— I saw it on Twitter. It's a Jimmy World tour poster, and it's meant to look like, uh, like a '50s or '60s cigarette dispensing machine that you'd see at the, uh, you know, the, the drive-in or the sock hop or something.

And it appears it's so bad that AI couldn't have done it, is the only way I can put it. And I'm sure whoever made it is listening to this podcast right now, and I am sorry. Speaker A: This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian, Stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's a It's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions.

Speaker B: A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast 3 times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Speaker A: 3 times a week. And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. Speaker B: A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast 3 times a week and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Speaker A: 3 times a week.

And I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. Speaker B: The Guardian is not some billionaire-owned platform. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Speaker A: Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in, in what journalists Ky Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch on YouTube. It's 3 times a week. And, and who couldn't use more news, you know, especially, especially when it's, when it's not, you know, from here, let's say.

Give it a, give it a listen. Give it a listen. Every time I go to the doctor, I walk out of that bitch feeling dumb. I got no real info. This guy in a white coat just say, you're fine, you know, drink more water. Speaker B: He knows how to charge my copay. Speaker A: Exactly. Speaker B: That's about it. Speaker A: As if I drink more water, doctor. I, I don't get data, I don't get a game plan, I just get a pat on the ass and get out there and make it better.

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But that tour is pretty stacked if you're a certain age and of a certain— Speaker B: I think, I think some dates they're headlining, some dates they're opening for Motion City Soundtrack. Speaker A: No, no, they're not opening. They're not opening for that fucking shit band. No, I don't know. Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know this one. Speaker A: I got beef. You know, I have, you have beef with Motion City Soundtrack. Speaker B: They don't know it, but I know that they're playing shows with Motion City Soundtrack.

Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker B: I mean, look, so you're saying MCS is opening for— Definitely for that. Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: Yeah. MCS. MCS. I want to be MCS. We did some shows when I was working with Cartel. We did some shows with MCS and they told their agent afterwards that they couldn't tour with Cartel because we quote unquote partied too much. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: And I was like, You absolute pussies. What is the point of this? We are on Warped Tour for Christ's sake.

Speaker B: How are you in Motion City but you ain't got no motion? Speaker A: No motion. Exactly. There's zero motion. They have a couple of slaps though. I'm going to be honest with you. But this tour, no, this tour, they got a couple. They got a couple. Speaker B: No, there's some really special lineups. Okay. For some of the dates. Speaker B: How are you in Motion City but you ain't got no motion? Speaker A: No motion. Exactly. There's zero motion. They have a couple of slaps though. I'm going to be honest with you.

But this tour, no, this tour, they got a couple. They got a couple. Speaker B: No, there's some really special lineups. Okay. For some of the dates. Speaker A: This is good. Speaker B: Get Up Kids, Sunny Day and Jimmy World. Like that. Speaker A: That's good. Speaker B: That's emo Mount Rushmore shit. That's shitting on Hey Mercedes and Thrice in Philly. You know, it's like, Shouts goes out to you guys over there. But, and then unfortunately, many of the dates in the Pacific Northwest are with Motion City Soundtrack and a band called the Illuminati Hotties.

Speaker A: People really like that band. I've never heard them, but I— who is J-Som? Can you help me out with that? Because he feels like a— he's— that feels like not a rock artist. Speaker B: I don't know who that is. It sounds like— Speaker A: you don't know who J— that seems like some shit. Speaker B: I've heard the name. I've heard the name, but I don't know. Speaker A: I know you got a white— I know you got a— you got a white label from Turntable Lab somewhere.

That's what it sounds like to me. Oh no, it's not at all. Okay, hold on. Speaker B: I know a lot of Psalms. Speaker A: Uh, J-Som, uh, is a stage name for Melina May Cortez Duterte, American singer-songwriter, multi-instrumentalist, producer, and mixing engineer initially. Oh, okay, this is actually in— oh, this on polyvinyl. I'm gonna check this shit out. Well, I honestly thought J-Som the whole time was some— was some fucking lo-fi beats to sit— not to say it again, but some lo-fi beats to study to type shit. Speaker B: Okay, see what happens when you assume people also stereotype.

Speaker A: People also search for Jim Adkins, Hayley Williams, Lucy Dacus, Phoebe Bridgers. So maybe I would like this. Speaker B: Some black bait right here. But the real heads are going to go to the Texas shows, Sparta and Minus the Bear. Speaker B: Okay, see what happens when you assume people also stereotype. Speaker A: People also search for Jim Adkins, Hayley Williams, Lucy Dacus, Phoebe Bridgers. So maybe I would like this. Speaker B: Some black bait right here. But the real heads are going to go to the Texas shows, Sparta and Minus the Bear.

Speaker A: Bro, fuck, get the fuck out of here. This is— no, I would honestly, if I was a little— Chicago at the Huntington Park— Huntington Bank Pavilion at Northerly Island. Speaker B: That's a mouthful. Speaker A: Venue. We got Sunday Real Estate Get Up Kids. That's Sunday Real Estate Get Up Kids, Jimmy World is a goated lineup. I agree with you. Speaker B: Try and beat it. Okay. We can't say We can't talk about this anymore. We're scaring the hose. I can't say hot mulligan out loud. Speaker A: No, you can't.

That's what's my— well, what scares the hose more, Jimmy Eat World or J. Cole? Great question. Oh, great question. Speaker B: Oh, I mean, definitely J. Cole because I found out about Jimmy Eat World because of Hose. Speaker A: That's— yeah, that's true. That's true. One of the great— one of the great— they're one of the great crossover. Speaker B: Listening to the first Jimmy on the way to Disneyland. Speaker A: It's tough because when I hear Jimmy, I think of John. Speaker B: The Sandwich Artist. Speaker A: Who's your top Jimmy?

Speaker B: Jimmy Stewart. Speaker A: Okay. Speaker B: Jeremy Stewart. Speaker A: I hear Jimmy John. You hear Jimmy Stewart. There's Jimmy World. There's, there's friend of the show, Jimmy Stack. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: Are there other Jimmies that come to mind? Jimmy Jolliffe. Speaker B: Jimmy Jolliffe. Speaker A: I'm thinking of, I'm thinking of all the Jimmies. I don't really know. My Uncle Jimmy, of course, famously kicked by a horse, lived to tell the tale. Speaker B: Do you know where your, your Uncle Jimmy? The good, the good brother, Uncle Jimmy Black, got kicked by a horse.

What part of his body? Speaker B: Jimmy Jolliffe. Speaker A: I'm thinking of, I'm thinking of all the Jimmies. I don't really know. My Uncle Jimmy, of course, famously kicked by a horse, lived to tell the tale. Speaker B: Do you know where your, your Uncle Jimmy? The good, the good brother, Uncle Jimmy Black, got kicked by a horse. What part of his body? Speaker A: He didn't— I didn't tell you this story. He told my— he told— we were at the family— Speaker B: sounds roughly familiar. Speaker A: We were at this family reunion and he was like, he's wearing an Apple Watch and he was bitching about it.

He's like in his 80s. It's like, yeah, my fucking grandkids made me get this stupid ass watch because they have to keep track of me because I got kicked by a horse. And it like, it, it like alerted, like alerted people because he got kicked by the horse because he was like down for so long. Okay. He was complaining about it. Speaker B: I know that people, that old, old hoes stay winning with the Apple Watch because it'll, it's like the, it's the new version of like the LifeLock where it, yeah, if that's what it is, if you take a tumble, it has haptic technology that knows when you took a tumble and it can alert your loved ones.

So does that mean that I'm just assuming your Uncle Jimmy, whenever he got kicked by a horse, this happened sometime, you know, in Dwight Eisenhower era like this. Speaker A: No, this happened in the last year. 2 years, 3 at the minimum. Speaker B: I'm sorry for laughing at an 80-year-old person getting kicked by a horse, but he's fine. Speaker A: I mean, he's always had horses. Speaker B: Jimmy, I guess that's my problem for assuming that this is a bygone situation to have yourself in. Speaker A: I mean, he's always had horses.

Speaker B: Jimmy, I guess that's my problem for assuming that this is a bygone situation to have yourself in. Speaker A: He's more of like a, he's more of a, like a, I got a farm horses. He's not more like a Mary-Kate and Ashley show jumping horses kind of guy. So I think he's out there. Speaker B: I didn't think your Uncle Jimmy was hanging out with Prince Andrew. And the queen over at the— Speaker A: Well, it sounded like you were trying to put him in the files. I just want to be clear that no members of the Black family are in the files.

Speaker B: No, no, no. I think this was— he went out. He heard a rooster crowing and he brought his moonshine jug out and see what the tussle is down in the barn. And he bent over and spooked old— what's a good horse name for Uncle Jimmy? Speaker A: I don't know. Speaker B: He spooked old Petunia. And wouldn't you know, she just went, reared back and kicked him right in the keister, fell down. Speaker A: But he's— but he's fine. He lived through it. I just love that. That's the best reason for not liking Apple Watch is that you don't want anybody to keep track of you just in case you get hurt.

Speaker B: Got this gay-ass watch. My gay-ass kids telling me I got to wear this. Speaker A: That's— that's literally the vibe. That was literally the vibe. Speaker B: He's got the one where he's got like the white plastic band on it because I feel like he— I don't— Speaker A: I mean, I feel like— I mean, we grew up going to his house pretty often, but I don't remember him being like This was also a whole new— Speaker B: this is actually the Grand Psycho. Speaker A: Uh, I just— this might have been the— I'm just saying, this might be his first watch, or his first watch in a long time, which— imagine that.

Imagine what that would be like. Speaker B: this is actually the Grand Psycho. Speaker A: Uh, I just— this might have been the— I'm just saying, this might be his first watch, or his first watch in a long time, which— imagine that. Imagine what that would be like. Speaker B: He was born before World War II and this is his first watch. Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I, I, I wish— yeah, I mean, I imagine it's like getting out of jail and getting a cell phone. You've been in jail for 30 years, you don't realize what's happening.

Speaker B: Yeah, like I'm, I'm seeing a little bit of, of, uh, rapper Max B on Twitter where he's had, you know, since he's been in jail for whatever it is, 15 years or something, he— his tweets are just like, damn, this is like this now. Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it's funny. Speaker B: I mean, y'all, y'all white people be celebrating Valentine's Day, then a motherfucker— Speaker A: it's every single— Speaker B: Max B, things have changed. Speaker A: Every single thing is like that. But 15 years is a long time.

Speaker B: He's like, did you know there was a flood in Katrina? Hurricane Katrina? Speaker A: Did you see this? I was going to ask you because people are— there's, there's a— I'm seeing online that, that, um, Besides the Epstein Files and, uh, Clavicular, the only other thing I'm seeing is sort of— they're sort of— I feel like the tides are turning on Weezy F Baby, Lil Wayne, your favorite rapper. I feel like people are saying, yeah, he's good, but like, he didn't— he ain't ever say shit, basically. Which is not an issue for me personally, but have you seen this line of thinking?

Speaker B: He ain't ever say shit, as in he's a great rapper, but like The— Speaker A: it's not aging well because the lyrical content is so, uh, stupid. Speaker B: Okay, okay. Um, I, you know, aging well is obviously in the eye of the beholder, and like, honestly, what rap lyrics really do age well except for like old head stuff? Because I don't think— I don't think rap is meant to age well. I love how present it is and how of the times it is and how ephemeral it is.

Speaker B: He ain't ever say shit, as in he's a great rapper, but like The— Speaker A: it's not aging well because the lyrical content is so, uh, stupid. Speaker B: Okay, okay. Um, I, you know, aging well is obviously in the eye of the beholder, and like, honestly, what rap lyrics really do age well except for like old head stuff? Because I don't think— I don't think rap is meant to age well. I love how present it is and how of the times it is and how ephemeral it is.

Speaker A: I think that's a fair— I'm surprised that people are saying— I mean, I guess it's because he also had that stupid tweet after the Grammys. It was like, I got to work harder. Like, they're not— it's like, bro, you haven't put out a good album in 15 years. I don't think it's— I think it's kind of like your Grammy era might be a wrap, you know? Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it's a wrap for him. He obviously has smoked himself quite stupid, you know, back and forth a thousand times over, uh, but but he has a lot of money.

You know, he's a 45-year-old, 4-foot-11 dude. Speaker A: I feel like he might not have a lot of money. Speaker B: I think he's doing okay. I think he's doing just fine. Speaker A: He sold the catalog, so he's doing okay. But imagine what Wayne's overhead is, bro. Speaker B: Yeah, but he does— like, I don't know if he has a lot of kids. Like, I think he kind of keeps his head down. Just the only— he just smokes weed and wears free clothes that are the ugliest shit you ever seen.

He's probably got a nice little, like, $8 million house somewhere in Florida. He's probably living large. All he wants to do is watch SportsCenter. He's chilling and he does not need to rap anymore. Like I said, it's a young person's game and it should stay that way. Speaker A: He's only got 4 kids. He only has 4 kids. Speaker B: It's not bad. Speaker A: He only has 4 kids, which is for a person his age. Speaker B: What's— Stephon Diggs had 6 kids last year with 5 different women. Wayne is twice his age.

Speaker A: Leave Diggs out of this, bro. Diggs is having a hard time. Speaker B: That's fine. Speaker A: You know, he's— he got— didn't he get dropped? Did he get dropped by the Patriots? I don't know. It's tough. It's tough out here for him. Speaker B: Yeah, don't get caught up messing with Cardi. Speaker A: Don't get caught up. Speaker B: So an update coming in live, coming in an update on your DJ Vlad scenario. DJ Akademiks has chimed in 30 minutes ago. He's going to go live at 2 PM.

It's about time the truth is revealed. I'm telling everything I know about all these industry secrets. Speaker A: This is what I'm saying. Speaker B: Akademiks, I have one question for you. Is that 2 PM Eastern or is it Pacific? Speaker A: This is, this is my whole point that this is what I was saying about the Epstein stuff. This is what's starting. This is already— do you see, remember when I said everybody's gonna think everything is conspiracy theory? This is part of— I mean, this has been going on for a long time, but this, this is— I think the chatter is heating up because it's now— Speaker B: we're in hot chatter.

Speaker A: We're in this, we're in the season of this. This is the new thing that people care about now. Everything has to be, you know, everything has to be Pam Bondi. Speaker B: So you're saying it's conspiracy season spelled with no vowels? Speaker A: I'm— I just think that there's— I just think that this is what I said was going to happen. And not that Vlad Academics haven't been doing this for 10 years, but it's just, you know, it feels like an upward trend is all I'm saying. It feels like a trend.

Speaker B: It feels like a trend in that, you know, these guys report on news going on with these celebs and rappers and whatever, and then when that sort of runs out, or every— all the people they're talking about go into secrecy and everyone is living their weird post-COVID private lives they have to start creating inter-beef drama with their compatriots. Adam22 has to box Akademiks, and they have to— so now it's turning into like a Chinese microdrama, but Twitter hip-hop beef. Speaker A: I'm— I just think that there's— I just think that this is what I said was going to happen.

And not that Vlad Academics haven't been doing this for 10 years, but it's just, you know, it feels like an upward trend is all I'm saying. It feels like a trend. Speaker B: It feels like a trend in that, you know, these guys report on news going on with these celebs and rappers and whatever, and then when that sort of runs out, or every— all the people they're talking about go into secrecy and everyone is living their weird post-COVID private lives they have to start creating inter-beef drama with their compatriots.

Adam22 has to box Akademiks, and they have to— so now it's turning into like a Chinese microdrama, but Twitter hip-hop beef. Speaker A: If I have to hear— dude, I fucking— all right, I hear about microdrama, I see it on my podcast thing from, from Bellini, then I'm at the gym on the treadmill, I look up and like New York One's doing— I'm like, who is doing PR for microdramas? This is insane. Insane. It was on the news, it was on— and I'm like, this is not— this is just TikTok videos with a plot.

This isn't like— I don't understand what the— what there is to unpack, really. Speaker B: This is Quibi without the union fees. Speaker A: Yeah, I just don't really get it. It's like, yeah, okay, every episode's 90 seconds and there's like 100 episodes, and it makes— I, I just— I was just like, okay, it's just a new format of a soap opera. No, I get that, but I thought there was going to be something. I thought there was going to be some insane financial figures at the You know what I mean?

Where it's like, oh, this shit you wouldn't even— and it's sort of like, yeah, it's good. Speaker B: No, I think the insane figure is how cheap it is to make and how like the profit margin— it's kind of like penny stocks of the entertainment industry. It's just like very similar to DJ Vlad and DJ Akademiks saying like, yo, it's time to reveal the truth. We're going, you know, blah blah blah. It's the equivalent of realizing that if you scrape the resin out of your bong, you can get a high off of it.

It's the equivalent of like, oh, if you, you know, if we short this random thing, then maybe we can make, you know, $17 on it or whatever. It's sort of the scraping the resin bowl of culture. Speaker B: No, I think the insane figure is how cheap it is to make and how like the profit margin— it's kind of like penny stocks of the entertainment industry. It's just like very similar to DJ Vlad and DJ Akademiks saying like, yo, it's time to reveal the truth. We're going, you know, blah blah blah.

It's the equivalent of realizing that if you scrape the resin out of your bong, you can get a high off of it. It's the equivalent of like, oh, if you, you know, if we short this random thing, then maybe we can make, you know, $17 on it or whatever. It's sort of the scraping the resin bowl of culture. Speaker A: Yeah. But they're really pushed. It's being pushed in a way that feels like they really want to be the future in some regard. And I don't think that is going to happen.

Speaker B: I don't know if they, if anyone wants it to be the future, but it's It feels like in a world where there's nothing going on and there's no clear way out, it's at least something you can do to have some sort of profit. And I think they're projecting that as our phone use gets more addictive and our attention span gets more eviscerated by all of this, this is going to be not the new standard that replaces long-form film, but it's going to be something that sits alongside it. If you don't start making money off of it now, then, you know, it's just another little revenue stream that you're leaving on the table.

And I think the sad part is that these people that are doing it, it's like we— they— I— on the Bellini episode, like, the actors are getting like $500 a day. I mean, for working like 12-hour days on these things that get millions of views. And it's, it's kind of like, oh, here we go again. Speaker A: Once again, don't do it if you don't want to get paid that much. Why do, why do, why does this come? If you don't want to get paid $500 for doing a microdrama for 12 hours, then don't do that.

Speaker B: No. Well, the issue is we've got all these actors that want to be famous and they're willing to do anything. But then what if the thing that you're willing to do becomes the standard and nothing else? You know, like if we no longer need the Tom Hankses and the Scarlett Johanssons and our true movie stars to move films, if it doesn't matter because the budget budget for this film was $2,500, and if we make 5 grand, then we've doubled our profit, even though we only made 5 grand, then we don't need— if we just do a billion micro dramas, then we, we don't know, we no longer need it.

If everyone will just— Speaker A: we got to get free, we got to get realistic, we got to get realistic. Like, we got to get realistic. This is not going to be a thing. It's gonna— it— this is internet content. I don't want it to be rebranded. Speaker B: I've never watched a micro drama. Speaker A: Somebody has rebranded this and it does okay. And now because of the press cycle, it's made to be a thing and it's not a thing. It's like everybody, every time the Winter Olympics comes around, everybody, everybody— Speaker B: Oh, talk your shit, Chris.

Speaker A: Everybody gets into their, have you seen curling? It's so crazy. It's like a guy that works at the tire store. It's fucking crazy. Curling, have you seen it? Speaker B: I just watched luge and they, I'm pretty sure I could just lay down on the sled too. Speaker A: I swear to God, if I hear, if I hear one more person talk about curling, curling. It's like, it's stupid. It's not entertaining. Don't— you can't like that. Speaker B: I just watched luge and they, I'm pretty sure I could just lay down on the sled too.

Speaker A: I swear to God, if I hear, if I hear one more person talk about curling, curling. It's like, it's stupid. It's not entertaining. Don't— you can't like that. Speaker B: Curling has been a random funny thing since we've been alive. Speaker A: And that's when I— Speaker B: 4 years. I mean, you know, but also just like everything else, you know, bell bottoms or J. Cole, there's a sucker born every day. And every 4 years there's a new group of people who are like, how is this a sport?

Speaker A: It's making me crazy. Did you watch— did you watch Love Story yet? The JFK Jr. Carolyn Bissette. Speaker B: No, I didn't know it was out yet. Speaker A: Yeah, it's out. Speaker B: Uh, too busy being the GOAT. Speaker A: Um, yeah, that's what you're doing. Um, it's, uh, you know, it's fine. They look good. Speaker B: There's a scratch, scratch an itch. It was, it did it okay. Speaker A: I mean, I think it, I think it does for some people. I don't really understand. I think it's getting billed as like a Ryan Murphy thing, which it sort of is, but I think he's just the executive producer.

Like, I don't think he wrote it or directed it. I think he's just the executive producer, which is like, it doesn't have the Murphy stink on Oh, I wouldn't say that, but it's like, okay, it's a— it's not that bad. It's, it's just sort of like, it's— the first episode's pretty good and then it kind of go— but I think also JFK, as hot as he was and as cool as he was, he might have been a little bit of a dumb-dumb, you know? And I think that the— Speaker B: I think that that a handsome WASPy person that was put into political power is a dumb— Speaker A: I mean, if you— if, if political power is having a magazine, yes.

I mean, I think that the— I just think that the— like, I think the reality of it, I think you don't want to hear him talk. And that's the problem with the show. It's— the images are so amazing and so good that if we left it— if we left it— Speaker B: I think that that a handsome WASPy person that was put into political power is a dumb— Speaker A: I mean, if you— if, if political power is having a magazine, yes. I mean, I think that the— I just think that the— like, I think the reality of it, I think you don't want to hear him talk.

And that's the problem with the show. It's— the images are so amazing and so good that if we left it— if we left it— Speaker B: so it's a boner killer. Don't open your mouth, hottie. Speaker A: Well, in the first episode, they like, you know, they meet each other at this, at this gala, and it's sort of like they're really like kind of negging each other. They're like really going back and forth, like flirting, and it's just like, I don't— this is I don't think people really talk like this, you know.

It's a little— it's like that kind of thing. But I think it'll be quite popular. I mean, people— Speaker B: nice shoes, bitch. Speaker A: It's, it's almost that. It's not that bad, but it is that kind of like— she's trying to neg him for being JFK, which is sort of like, yeah, okay. And he's like dating Daryl Hannah. It's this whole— but I don't know. Speaker B: Do they have, do they have like the WASPy New England accents? Speaker A: Uh, well, she's not that. He has— Speaker B: no.

I mean, I mean, the woman who plays, the woman who plays Jackie, I guess he was a little more Manhattan than New England, but you know, I just want all the Kennedys to have a little bit of that twang, right? Who played, who plays, I guess RFK doesn't really have that twang. He's got a whole other kind of twang. Speaker A: Naomi Watts, Naomi Watts plays, plays Jackie Kennedy and she definitely has the, I saw Naomi Watts was there last night. She's looking good. Speaker B: You know, she's a master actor so she can do it.

Speaker A: She is a master actor, but I think that's the thing. I think they got people they wouldn't have normally gotten for a show like this because of the subject matter. You know, it's like people have been trying, you know, this is— I'm sure this has been floating around in some regard or version for years and years. Speaker A: Naomi Watts, Naomi Watts plays, plays Jackie Kennedy and she definitely has the, I saw Naomi Watts was there last night. She's looking good. Speaker B: You know, she's a master actor so she can do it.

Speaker A: She is a master actor, but I think that's the thing. I think they got people they wouldn't have normally gotten for a show like this because of the subject matter. You know, it's like people have been trying, you know, this is— I'm sure this has been floating around in some regard or version for years and years. Speaker B: We've been trying to get this thing across the line, and it's a shame that only Murphy can do it nowadays, huh? Speaker A: I mean, I, I don't— Speaker B: it's very Cash Rules Everything around me.

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Oh, because it's just, it's, um, it's unfortunately what people want, and I feel like what, what, what the streets is talking about. Speaker B: Well, let— I mean, before we talk about it, let's talk about why the streets want it so much. Like, why did last episode. We say we're never gonna clav again, and then yet here we are, we have— we keep crawling back. I mean, it's, it's to the, to the bucket for a few more licks of the sloppa. Speaker A: What I, what I think it's funny is that people are mad about the New York Times story, like, like platforming him.

I'm like, dude, I don't know if you read this, but it's not like it's so— it's not some glowing glaze of this guy. It's just like a reported story about an idiot. Speaker B: Yeah. So, so what's worse, people having these thoughts or people saying, how dare you platform this Nazi monster without reading the story? Or like, what's worse, them not reading the story or them reading the story and not being able to understand that it is not a glaze-a-thon? Speaker B: Yeah. So, so what's worse, people having these thoughts or people saying, how dare you platform this Nazi monster without reading the story?

Or like, what's worse, them not reading the story or them reading the story and not being able to understand that it is not a glaze-a-thon? Speaker A: I think you got to read this. I mean, I just think it's like, I think the guy is pretty— I mean, obviously the, the extreme levels that he's willing to go to do things and talking so openly about drug use is, is interesting, you know, but interested. He's dumb as a fucking rock. It's like, it's just not that— like, there's— he's not gonna say anything that's going to— like, what he does is shocking, and that's why people are paying attention.

What he says is not important because he has nothing to say. Speaker B: Oh, okay, okay. So he's just kind of like this, this vessel, you know, a, a skin suit roaming around the world saying awful things, but people don't even It doesn't register. He's so unhuman and like synthetic that whenever he's saying these awful crazy things, it doesn't like register with us. Speaker A: But he's not even, but he's not even, no, no, no. He's not even, he's saying nothing. He just says like Nazi. You know what I mean?

He doesn't say, he's not like, he can't, he can't produce like a thought. Speaker B: Right. Speaker A: He just sort of is like, yeah, I maxed this or I, you know, it's like there's no, it's all, it's all weird slang words strung together. By like a brain-dead 22-year-old, which is, you know, what would you expect? Speaker B: But I guess, yeah, that's, that's how everyone talks. So then, so younger people are like, oh, this guy talks how we actually talk, he's our representative, he's our real, you know, he's our Joe Rogan or whatever.

And then older people are just like, what in the— you just can't turn away like a car accident of like, what is, what is the world that we are living in now? Because this guy is Klavmaxing. Speaker B: But I guess, yeah, that's, that's how everyone talks. So then, so younger people are like, oh, this guy talks how we actually talk, he's our representative, he's our real, you know, he's our Joe Rogan or whatever. And then older people are just like, what in the— you just can't turn away like a car accident of like, what is, what is the world that we are living in now?

Because this guy is Klavmaxing. Speaker A: He's definitely going to die soon though. He's definitely going to die soon. A classic prediction. Speaker B: You know what? It kind of reminds me of when Pete Davidson really first started blowing up and everyone was like, how is— when he was on his generational run of tail pulling, pulling some of the most beautiful women of all time. And he would, while he was doing that every week on SNL, he had this recurring video, like a Please Don't Destroy Me kind of video, where he was like this guy that would just say like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, nice.

Yeah. And like, like, yeah, so he played like this like brain dead dumb guy who would just say these one-word things. And it was, I think it was almost like he was showing the world like, here's how I operate through the world. Somebody says titties and I say nice. And then, you know, whatever, then that's about And here I am pulling. Speaker A: But I don't think that's, you know, who— Speaker B: 10 after 10 after 10. I have— and I've— for some reason it reminds me of that, of like, what is it?

We want to figure out what it is about you that people find so irresistible. Speaker A: But I don't think that's, you know, who— Speaker B: 10 after 10 after 10. I have— and I've— for some reason it reminds me of that, of like, what is it? We want to figure out what it is about you that people find so irresistible. Speaker A: Well, Pete Davidson is— I mean, Pete Davidson is not dumb. He's like actually pretty funny. I think that was like— Speaker B: I think that's the trick. Speaker A: Well, I think people were mad because they didn't think he was good-looking enough to be fucking Kim Kardashian, which is obviously that's in the eye of the beholder.

This guy has no redeeming qualities at all and is just sort of like, he's hitting his face with a hammer. You know what I mean? Like, think about, think about what we're actually seeing. Like, that is pretty bad. Speaker B: I guess maybe a better comp would be the rise of 6ix9ine. Speaker A: I would say 6ix9ine brought more to the table. Speaker B: He definitely brought, yeah, I mean, he had a generational run of 3 or 4 undeniable crazy bangers. Speaker A: But this is, that's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker B: But everyone was like, look at this fucking freak. He goes through the world acting awful. You know, he's taken a page out of the Andrew Tate book and listen, he's like, but he was, he was this thing that people just wanted to look at as a spectacle. Speaker A: But this is the, but this is the problem. This is what you keep. Your two examples are two guys that did something. That's the whole problem with this is that Clavicular doesn't do anything. Speaker B: Well, I think, I think that the thing that he does is be as good looking as possible and makes no doesn't hide the fact that he's doing whatever he can to try and be the most— and he is a good-looking guy who has a good body, and he's— and he's doing whatever he can.

So he's kind of like a Brian Johnson human experiment. The only goal in his life is to make himself look as good as possible. And I guess that's like really high art. Speaker B: Well, I think, I think that the thing that he does is be as good looking as possible and makes no doesn't hide the fact that he's doing whatever he can to try and be the most— and he is a good-looking guy who has a good body, and he's— and he's doing whatever he can. So he's kind of like a Brian Johnson human experiment.

The only goal in his life is to make himself look as good as possible. And I guess that's like really high art. Speaker A: I mean, to somebody. I just don't— I think that like like we used to— at least you could be pretty bad and do dumb shit, but if you had, if you had undeniable skill, especially in the arts, we would sort of give you a pass and forgive that. That's like what this culture is built on. And this is, this is the end of— this is like, this guy doesn't have anything to offer us at all.

He's offering, he's offering nothing. He even says he doesn't really care about having sex. Speaker B: Yeah, he's asexual. Speaker A: He's not even using his skills for— he's not even using his skills for good. Speaker B: Head. Speaker A: So he's, he's got a square jaw and some broad shoulders, and he says racist stuff on kick. That's literally what we're talking about. That's what we're talking about. It's crazy. It's, it's honestly insane. Like, all these got— like, the, the fact that, like, Pete Davidson, that fascination, or 6ix9ine, which are good examples in many ways because we were fascinated— they did take over culture in a pretty real way.

Speaker B: Like, this guy sucks and I can't stop whenever there's a video or a picture or whatever, I'm gonna watch it. I'm clicking on it because it is just such a big red button that I can't not push. Speaker B: Like, this guy sucks and I can't stop whenever there's a video or a picture or whatever, I'm gonna watch it. I'm clicking on it because it is just such a big red button that I can't not push. Speaker A: But this is, this is like, I don't really understand where this is gonna go except this guy dying, because there's no— he has no sort of— I, I just don't like— what's he gonna do?

Is he gonna like, besides walk in D squared, what's the game here? Like, because at a certain point a certain point, the, the, the, the shine will dull and we'll move on to another idiot streamer. That's been the last 5 years of culture in general. Yeah, you know, it's like there's always— they're just gonna take it further and further. What's gonna happen next? Is the guy just gonna kill himself on camera to get the most views? Like, well, I honestly don't know where this goes if that's the— if that's the goal.

Speaker B: I think it's, it's 50% chance he dies soon for whatever reason, suicide or meth or whatever it is. Or he does like a born again, like somebody, yeah, somebody brings him in and then he turns, you know, he does whatever the Pete Davidson version is, whatever the version of getting all of his Mars Attacks tattoos lasered off his body and quits doing meth and whatever. Speaker A: But I guess what, no, what I'm saying to you is that he is merely a vessel. Speaker B: He's a vessel. Speaker A: Which he knows.

Speaker B: Yeah, 'cause he lacks no charisma, even though he's a rizz master. Speaker A: He has zero charisma, zero, none. But I'm saying, like, if— I guess what I'm saying is, if this is what we're gonna start doing, what is the next— how much— how more— how much more? This guy is pretty extreme. Speaker B: He's a vessel. Speaker A: Which he knows. Speaker B: Yeah, 'cause he lacks no charisma, even though he's a rizz master. Speaker A: He has zero charisma, zero, none. But I'm saying, like, if— I guess what I'm saying is, if this is what we're gonna start doing, what is the next— how much— how more— how much more?

This guy is pretty extreme. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: As far as, like, bringing nothing to the table and being very popular and also being, like, inventing— or not inventing, but maybe popularizing, like, a dumb-dumb language that is, like, you hear people say in the street after a week, you know what I mean? Like, jester maxing was not a thing last week, and you'll hear somebody say it at the coffee shop like it's a normal word. So I'm saying, how far How far do we go? Like, what is the next— like, what else can people— if racism is completely unshocking now, like, like saying "Heil Hitler" in a club is just like another thing that happens or whatever, what is the— Speaker B: what, what— Speaker A: I don't know where we go.

Like, that's what I mean. Like, what more— I think how much further can these dumbasses go? Speaker B: Big Clav realizes that he should have not put all of his eggs in the looks masking— looks maxing basket. And he should have reserved a few eggs in the Jester Max basket. Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. Speaker B: You know, he has zero— he has zero jester to him. Speaker A: No. Speaker B: And that's gonna kill you in the end. Speaker A: It's just like reading the quotes from him in the New York Times is literally like, I know children that are smarter than you.

Like, you are dumb as a fucking rock and no one should ever have to hear you talk. But because of street— the popularity of streaming these— this is it. This is just what people— this is what people want, I guess. This is— this guy's— more people are looking at this guy than they are at like actual TV shows or whatever. Yeah, like, you know, this is— this is as big— this is as big as it gets from a cultural perspective. Speaker A: It's just like reading the quotes from him in the New York Times is literally like, I know children that are smarter than you.

Like, you are dumb as a fucking rock and no one should ever have to hear you talk. But because of street— the popularity of streaming these— this is it. This is just what people— this is what people want, I guess. This is— this guy's— more people are looking at this guy than they are at like actual TV shows or whatever. Yeah, like, you know, this is— this is as big— this is as big as it gets from a cultural perspective. Speaker B: Maybe we are all watching it so attentively because subconsciously everyone thinks that, you know, it's only a matter of days until something really crazy happens to him.

So it's like, it's kind of like some random like Brady Sinelis, The Shards, Substack, but happening in real life, acted out by a real person. You know what I mean? Like every day you open your social media and like, what is going to happen? When is, when is the day finally going to come, you know, where something really gnarly happens to him? Speaker A: Well, that's good or bad. But that's the— Speaker B: yes, I mean, yeah, no, you're like, oh, I guess he's dating Kate Beckinsale now. Yeah, like that would be one crazy thing that happens to him on the Plus.

Or like, you know, spotted at Honey Hi with Phoebe Bridgers, or, you know, like whatever it is, that would be crazy on one way, light the internet, or at least our corner of the internet on fire. Or the opposite, you know, a video of like Blueface like making him suck his dick, you know, in a fucking gas station, or, you know, whatever, you know, like, yeah, that really is the two ways it goes. Speaker A: The Rolling Sixties catch him and they make him We got Adam fucking his mom on pay-per-view.

Speaker B: It's like, yeah, Adam 22 fucks Klav's mom on pay-per-view. Speaker A: Dude, it's just so— honestly, sometimes I sit, I literally yesterday— Speaker B: Adam, you got to hit mom for the culture, bro. Speaker A: I was, I was, I was reading a book and I put it down. I took a break and I was, you know, I was just thinking, I was thinking about this and I was like, man, this is really like the stuff that's going on now is bad. Like, I don't— like, I'm not even— I'm not even talking about like Epstein shit.

Speaker B: Speaking of the Klav language, I like that. You went from— you went from literature maxing to the stuff going on is bad. Come on, Chris. Speaker A: A great— a great new book by Andrew Martin. It's called Downtime. I put it down on my chest and I looked out the window and I was like, damn, it's— it's worse than it's ever been before. As I— I put my Eckhauslotta pants on one leg at a time and all I could think about— all I could think about were these fucking bozos and how this is where we're at as far as culture go.

And you know, Jason, I hate to say it, I think streaming's at fault. I think streaming— Speaker B: of course, though, that seems like the common denominator, right? Speaker A: That's what I mean. It really is the cut— like, you want to, you want to say this or that or where they're from or the, you know, blah blah. The common denominator is that you can turn on a camera and people will watch you do anything. And that is the— that is the— that, that— how could a bar get lower? Speaker B: And while I would, I will push back on this because you might have some subconscious anger because, you know, the first and second seasons of The Real World or maybe even Band in a Bubble.

Totally. The early iterations of let's just put a camera on these people, hit record and watch them do whatever, you know, mundane tasks in their life. Speaker B: And while I would, I will push back on this because you might have some subconscious anger because, you know, the first and second seasons of The Real World or maybe even Band in a Bubble. Totally. The early iterations of let's just put a camera on these people, hit record and watch them do whatever, you know, mundane tasks in their life. Speaker A: Yeah, no, totally.

Speaker B: It used to be this, this thing that was really interesting and beloved and now this is what But, you know, this is where we're at. Similar to like the hip-hop movement. Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker B: Started out with these amazing soul samples and jazzy things and amazing lyricism and powerful protest songs and civic duty and bangers. And now, you know, we have Netspend saying just some horseshit on some stuff while people do pills. This is, you know, live reality television. The beauty of Puck in San Francisco riding his— Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B: You know, you're right. Spitting snot boogers on his fixed gear and eating, you know, bean and cheese Fritos, this amazing slice of culture, and it's now squished out. We're scraping the resin bowl with a hot guy who's lifting his shirt up every once in a while. Speaker A: It never should have gotten this popular, is the thing. Like, that's the thing. That's the true about most things. But you're right. I mean, you're absolutely right. Like, I, I obviously, I watch a version of this, but I guess because I spent— I watched so much of it, or I definitely have in my life, I feel like that it's not um, I feel like there's guardrails in place, not just because of like network practices, but like there's a team of producers, there's like a team of people making sure that nothing bad actually happens.

Yeah, you know what I mean? Whereas, whereas with this, I think that the like walking up to people in the street and saying something, I just— it just feels lawless in a way that's going to end badly for everyone. Whereas reality TV as a, as an experiment is definitely bad, no question, but But at least when, when it's Bunim and Murray producing it, there was sort of a level— Speaker B: the real BM. That's the, that's the BM I'm celebrating this year. Speaker A: That's the real BM. That's the real BM on my Valentine's Day.

Speaker B: The gods, the goats. Speaker A: But I just think that that is the— I think the difference is now that there's no law and there's no one saying, hey, maybe don't do that, that could ruin your life. You know what I mean? Like, maybe don't say that. Speaker B: But there's somebody saying, no, do that, ruin your life, and we'll get rich. Yes. But I guess the other form of reality tell— you know, you're talking about how this is lawless. Let's just, you know, get your one friend who has a camera and make them sign a weird contract.

And then you follow them around and they kind of boss you around and you film them just doing whatever. And that's what's going to happen. I think the other form of reality television that you love and cherish is, you know, the Bravo universe, the let's get these people drunk and fighting, where I think that's the real no guardrails lawlessness, where we go, we sign the crazy NDA, and then we just get you guys liquored up, you guys yell, fight, and fuck, and you actually do gnarly shit. And I think the— we, we're experiencing the uncanny valley of watching these streamers where it seems lawless, it seems like they're doing crazy shit, but we don't notice that there's there's 12 bodyguards and the thing couldn't be more cushioned and childproof.

And that's why we're upset. Speaker A: No, the difference is one is live and one isn't. Yeah, that's the— I mean, that's the real difference is that like reality TV, as far as we know, is quote unquote real. Obviously it's not streaming. The whole game, the whole game is no matter how many bodyguards you got, no matter how many guns you have on you, you're doing that shit like you're doing it live. So anything can happen, as they say, as they say. Speaker A: No, the difference is one is live and one isn't.

Yeah, that's the— I mean, that's the real difference is that like reality TV, as far as we know, is quote unquote real. Obviously it's not streaming. The whole game, the whole game is no matter how many bodyguards you got, no matter how many guns you have on you, you're doing that shit like you're doing it live. So anything can happen, as they say, as they say. Speaker B: And live Live television events where we all come together and enjoy it at the same time are the only real television events that get true ratings.

You know, award shows, sports events, you know, those things where the whole world watches all at the same time and then you go online and see what other people are saying about it. That's like, it's not the future of television. It's sort of the only time we all are like collectively be viewing something at the same time. So, and, and it doesn't matter if it's good or not necessarily, as long as it's live and it feels real and we get that feeling that anything could happen. Speaker A: No, it's the, it's the Will Smith slap.

That was like the biggest thing that happened in a long time because it happened live. Speaker B: Let me get another. And it wasn't supposed to get another slap. Speaker A: It wasn't supposed to. Yeah, I'd rather see that than fucking clavicular walking a fucking runway show in a wet t-shirt, an epoxy t-shirt, an epoxy button-down. Speaker B: I wish it was a— Speaker A: I'm good, I'm good I'm good on that. Well, it was made to look wet, so, you know, it's easy to get confused. Speaker B: That was impressive work.

Yeah. Good job on the shirt. Speaker A: Real impressive work. Really, really. Speaker B: No, I thought it looked— I thought, I mean, I don't know who would wear that shirt, but, you know, just artistically speaking, I guess it had a little— Speaker B: I wish it was a— Speaker A: I'm good, I'm good I'm good on that. Well, it was made to look wet, so, you know, it's easy to get confused. Speaker B: That was impressive work. Yeah. Good job on the shirt. Speaker A: Real impressive work. Really, really.

Speaker B: No, I thought it looked— I thought, I mean, I don't know who would wear that shirt, but, you know, just artistically speaking, I guess it had a little— Speaker A: Who would wear most? Speaker B: Had a little early McQueen to it. You know, I'm not trying to big up. Speaker A: You sounds like you're bigging up. Speaker B: Look, I'm only talking— I'm separating the art from the artist, Chris. Speaker A: Yeah, I'm having to do that right now with Evan Dando, so I know, I know how you're suffering.

Speaker B: Suffering. They got Ev, uh, in the little mental facility, huh? Speaker A: I mean, you know, I, I'm shocked it took this long for something this bad to happen. I just think that there's people that just have to be sober, and he is one of those people. And when you start, when you start, you know, oh no, I just, I just smoke pot and drink, I don't do heroin or coke It's like, yeah, but if you got the— if you got— Speaker B: don't come for me like that, bro.

Don't come for me like that. Speaker A: No, no, I'm just— if you got the bug, you got the bug, and he's got the bug. And it was only a matter of time before he did something like this. That's just bad, you know? It's bad, and he shouldn't have done it. And I'm sure he's gonna, you know, pay the price to some extent. And I just don't— I don't, you know, it's, it's really, um, it's, it's— this has happened to a lot of guys that I like musically And, uh, I don't think it all necessarily stems from drugs and alcohol by any means, but I, I think that like it's, it's bad.

It's a bummer. Speaker B: Yeah, it's weird. It's really weird how some people, like you said, they have to be sober. There's no other way for them to go through life or else it's just, you know, it's only a matter of time until the self-destruction happens. But then you get a guy, you know, like a Lemmy or a John Daly, famed golf star, where, you know, he smokes cigarettes on, on when he's getting interviewed on television. He drinks like 30 beers a day and he's just like rich and golfs and just smokes and drinks every day and just lives like a pimp, never gets canceled, never says anything weird or wrong.

And then other people, you know, just one night and then you get Ariel Pinked. Speaker A: I mean, Dan does a tough one because it's been so bad for so long. Speaker B: Wrong. Speaker A: And I think that drugs— I mean, even, even obviously people look at— I think drugs are— people can look at sort of like sympathetically, like, oh, this guy's, you know, he's a drug addict, like, we're gonna give, you know, oh, it's okay. But when you start doing shit, when you start— when it's like become sexual stuff, I think people are sort of like, all right, we're out on this.

Speaker B: This— Speaker A: there's no— there's a hard line in the sand of right and wrong there. Whereas with drugs, it's sort of like you're hurting self. Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, there's certain things where it don't matter how or why we got here, we are here, and that— and, and that's— we are out. Speaker A: I wonder what will happen though, because I feel like it was— I feel like it was going well-ish as far as like the career, like, you know, playing shows and stuff. But I think it'll be, uh, I think it'll probably go away for a while is my— is my guess.

Speaker A: I wonder what will happen though, because I feel like it was— I feel like it was going well-ish as far as like the career, like, you know, playing shows and stuff. But I think it'll be, uh, I think it'll probably go away for a while is my— is my guess. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: Um, I, I also wanted to talk about Uh, these— I texted you, but there's these— Harry Styles is, is, you know, he's doing his, his rollout, and the first magazine piece is, is in the Sunday Times in London.

And it's these— it's pictures that Martin Parr took of him after the last tour. And Martin Parr has since passed away. And I just thought that was a— that's a very nice thing and cool thing to have, you know what I mean? It's like, oh, this is— I saved these Martin Parr pictures. He's no longer with us. Let's Do It exclusive, uh, for his favorite— I guess he— that's where he wanted them to go apparently, or he had mentioned that to Harry. Um, but, but I, I, I love that he, um, the, the quotes in that story are really funny.

Speaker B: Yeah, I just, I just sent you a— I just texted you an image where somebody has already made that image their, their Windows wallpaper background. Speaker A: Yeah, it's great. It's a great image. It's a great picture. Speaker B: Que lindo. Great picture. Speaker A: It really is funny that when celebrities talk about trying to, like, after being on tour for 3 years and trying like slow down and reflect, people just cannot. They just have to make fun of them. Like, like, oh, oh, you never gotten a coffee before?

And it's like, I don't think he's being super literal. I think he's trying to say like, I hadn't done something like this in a very long time. But I— that we just have— and we're, we're part of this too. We have absolutely no— once you're rich and famous, the sympathy is gone. Like, people don't care what you're going through. They don't give a fuck. They want the product. And that has been the response to this. Speaker B: Throw being tall on top of that. Speaker A: And that's what I've seen from— that's what I've seen on this whole— Speaker B: so, so people are like, are giving him shit for saying like, wow, it was crazy to like walk down the sidewalk and go get a matcha.

Speaker A: He's like, I've been, I've been famous since I was 14 or 15 or whatever. Like, yeah, you know, honestly, it's that crazy. Speaker B: And, and different kind of famous, not like, oh, there's one of— there's like the weird looking kid from Stranger Things or like, oh, there's whatever. Where it's like you see him and there's a shriek let out and then, you know, 7,500 women, children, and gays are storming over the horizon. Speaker A: Like, I don't think I think Harry Styles' problems are very different than my problems and most civilians' problems.

I will agree with that. Speaker B: But I do think that the blue or the purple Dries loafers today, it's a tough one. Speaker A: But I will say that I think that the The, the doing a tour like that for like 3 years straight is probably one of the more taxing things you can do as a, as a like a performer of any kind. Sure, like that shit is gnarly as hell, no matter how nice you're doing it. Like, no matter how nice the jet is, no matter how nice the hotel is, that will fuck you up.

And sometimes you need to go sit and have a coffee with your gay friend in Rome. And I can, you know, on that part, who doesn't want to sit with the gay homie and have an espresso in Rome? Speaker B: Home. Speaker A: I thought that was relatable. Speaker B: Sounds like a delightful way to spend an afternoon, if you ask me. Speaker A: That's what I mean. That's what I mean. How can we mock that? That seems like a great way to spend the afternoon. Speaker B: They'll find out— out of touch or not, they'll find a way to mock anything, man.

Speaker A: That's true. I mean, we're part of that problem as well. I'm not— I'm not, uh— that's right. I'm not confused on that point. Um, all right, how long gone? We are back next week with some— some podcasts. We're gonna do a— we have a party in LA, Dim Jeans and DJ Harvey, with our dear friends from Tom of Finland at Silencia. On the 26th. Speaker B: Home. Speaker A: I thought that was relatable. Speaker B: Sounds like a delightful way to spend an afternoon, if you ask me. Speaker A: That's what I mean.

That's what I mean. How can we mock that? That seems like a great way to spend the afternoon. Speaker B: They'll find out— out of touch or not, they'll find a way to mock anything, man. Speaker A: That's true. I mean, we're part of that problem as well. I'm not— I'm not, uh— that's right. I'm not confused on that point. Um, all right, how long gone? We are back next week with some— some podcasts. We're gonna do a— we have a party in LA, Dim Jeans and DJ Harvey, with our dear friends from Tom of Finland at Silencia.

On the 26th. Speaker B: Yeah, February 26th, The Addition in West Hollywood. Come through. I don't know how private or public it is, but I don't think— I'm not sure anyone can go. Speaker A: I don't know. That's not our problem. Speaker B: If you're not just anybody, we will see you there on the 26th. Chris is gonna be in town. Speaker A: Yeah, can't wait. Speaker B: Is that right? Speaker A: Yeah, I'm there. Howdy. Yeah, my flight is booked. Speaker B: I'll figure out where we're gonna get a little din-din beforehand.

Okay. Yeah, we'll see which jungle curry at Night Market we're gonna get you before we hit the club. L'on leather daddy. Speaker A: Who was it? Who was it? I love when people— I love Night Market, and when people suggest it before anything, I'm like, no dude, we're not going. You cannot do anything after you eat Night Market. It just doesn't— it just doesn't work like that. Speaker B: Yeah, you just— your body is perfuming with raw garlic and— Speaker A: yeah, it's just not— it's not good for a club.

Speaker B: Makrut lime Yeah, exactly. Speaker A: It's not good for a club, club setting. But we also, another episode of How Long Gone After Dark is going to hit on Tuesday. Speaker B: Yeah, you just— your body is perfuming with raw garlic and— Speaker A: yeah, it's just not— it's not good for a club. Speaker B: Makrut lime Yeah, exactly. Speaker A: It's not good for a club, club setting. But we also, another episode of How Long Gone After Dark is going to hit on Tuesday. Speaker B: Tuesday or Wednesday, TBD.

Speaker A: We're trying to keep it as consistent as possible, you know, so we'll, so look for it. Speaker B: Yeah, we've been in the lab cranking out our new little video show situation. So yeah, either Tuesday or Wednesday, it'll be out on YouTube. And I believe available on Spotify as well. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have a new RSS, RSS separate feed for the video on Spotify. So keep those eyes peeled and then see you in the club. And then when Chris is here on the 26th, we'll probably film some more.

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