912. - Chris & Jason

Speaker A: All right, uh, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it 3 times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you? Speaker B: We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place.

Speaker A: All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube. Hello and gawd, my shit good. Uh, Chris Black, I'm in Los Angeles. The weather is exquisite, as you can imagine. Happy to be here. It's a Sunday morning. I wasn't able to make it to church yet, so this will have to do. Speaker B: Jason, you didn't go to church as in Equinox? Speaker A: No, I went to that church. I meant actual church. Speaker B: Okay, so you've already gone to your Knox.

How was your workout? What'd you focus on today? Just the same old bullshit. Speaker A: We did a full body pump on Sundays. Some people use it for rest, you know, some people use it for active recovery. I tried to do, you know, 4 upper body exercises, 4 lower body exercises. Some, you know, treadmills. Speaker B: To failure? We're going to— till failure? Speaker B: To failure? We're going to— till failure? Speaker A: No, I'm not going till failure. That's different shit. I sometimes— I do, but I prefer a drop set if I'm going, you know what I mean, if I'm gonna go to failure.

But I think— Speaker B: drop it— Speaker A: I think that there are some guys in there going to failure for sure, you know, mostly with their outfit choices but also with the weights. Speaker B: Okay, well, I'm glad you're taking full advantage. Did you go to Erewhon yet? Speaker A: I I have been to Erewhon, yes. I haven't been— I went day one. I went off rip. You know what I got actually that I hadn't had in so long is a coccocino. Speaker B: Oh wow, I forgot about the coccocino.

Speaker A: Coccocino really, really hits, I have to say, from a caffeine standpoint and a taste standpoint. Speaker B: Mm-hmm, okay. Well, yeah, well, let's see here. What do we got going on? There's so much going on in the world today. Let's see here. Do you wanna— I think we should talk about your friend Harry Styles and his dancing. Your, your, your day one is not looking good on the web today. Speaker A: It was very like, um, it was very like David Byrne to me a little bit. Like, that's felt like the inspiration more than— Speaker B: and that's the crisis PR angle that we're going with.

Got it. Okay. Speaker A: No, no, no, I just— I don't think it's good, don't get me wrong. That is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that's what it felt like more to me. I think that's probably what he was looking at more than like— I think the label was like, let's get a TikTok trend. I think he was like, if I'm gonna dance, I'm gonna do it like this. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: But I guess If you're in a boy band, don't you always, didn't you always dance?

Or did One Direction, you know what I'm saying? Speaker B: I don't know, I didn't have eyes on One Direction's choreo, so I can't really speak on it. But I guess I see what you're saying now where instead of him trying to earnestly do, you know, a Cat's Eye style or a Timberlake style, whatever pop artist choreo, he might feel like I need to hit it from a different angle and do like a more kind of irreverent. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: But I guess If you're in a boy band, don't you always, didn't you always dance?

Or did One Direction, you know what I'm saying? Speaker B: I don't know, I didn't have eyes on One Direction's choreo, so I can't really speak on it. But I guess I see what you're saying now where instead of him trying to earnestly do, you know, a Cat's Eye style or a Timberlake style, whatever pop artist choreo, he might feel like I need to hit it from a different angle and do like a more kind of irreverent. Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker B: David Byrne style kind of thing. But I just worry that, that, that if that is the case, then that subtlety and that nuance is sort of lost on— Speaker A: yeah, any— Speaker B: basically everyone.

Speaker A: Any subtlety and nuance when you're that popular is tough. And for the record, I don't like David Byrne. I find it really boring. Speaker B: I also don't like David Byrne. Speaker A: No, it's just— I don't know, it's too quirky. Speaker B: One of our rare— one of our rare yin-yins. Speaker A: It's too— Speaker B: no yang in here. Speaker A: I respect his legend status. Like, I think he's done a lot. It's cool. But like, I ain't— like, who's listening to that, you know what I mean?

Speaker B: LCD Soundsystem people listen to that shit. Speaker A: I will say that as much as the dancing was a distraction, I did kind of like the song more than I have listening to it on my, you know, AirPods. Speaker B: So the choreo did save the song is kind of what you're saying? Speaker A: No, I'm not— I don't know. I think maybe just the live element. I think it's like— I don't know. I don't think it— no, the choreo did not save it. Speaker B: It's like Coldplay.

Like, uh, bro, if you don't like Coldplay, go watch them. Speaker A: Is that what people say actually? Speaker B: So the choreo did save the song is kind of what you're saying? Speaker A: No, I'm not— I don't know. I think maybe just the live element. I think it's like— I don't know. I don't think it— no, the choreo did not save it. Speaker B: It's like Coldplay. Like, uh, bro, if you don't like Coldplay, go watch them. Speaker A: Is that what people say actually? Speaker B: Just that kind of, you know, like if you're on the fence about an artist and you're like, ah, it's fine, it's all, you know, whatever, but then when you go see them at stadium with the fireworks and the lights and the dancing and the crying, and they're like, all right, I get it.

It's, it's much easier to sort of get swept up, just like when you're watching The Notebook on an airplane for the 40th time. You're like, and here I go again. Speaker A: I guess I'm, I guess, I guess I'm also like, I, I just, I still can't believe this is the song that we chose. I feel like there, I feel like there's probably several songs that I will like and they have not been chosen for whatever reason, which I'm sure is a strategy thing, but I don't The dancing thing, I don't understand.

I did like the outfit. I thought it was— I thought the Chanel— I liked, you know what I liked? I liked that he wore the Chanel on the red carpet and then performed in it. Because a lot of people change, you know? Speaker B: I've noticed that, yeah. Speaker A: I thought that was cool to just be like, nah, fuck it, I'm wearing Chanel. Speaker B: But he's just gonna take his jacket off like Fred Astaire. Speaker A: Just take his jacket off. But yeah, I mean, people are not happy with it from what I can tell.

But I watched all the Brits performances actually. Speaker B: This morning. So the Brits and BET Awards happened this weekend. Is that right? Speaker A: I guess I didn't see— I haven't even seen a clip from the BET Awards. Speaker B: I just saw a clip of Deon Cole. I think he was hosting it. Speaker A: Oh, I did see this. Our God. Because people were mad that he was making jokes about the Tourette's guy. Speaker B: This morning. So the Brits and BET Awards happened this weekend. Is that right?

Speaker A: I guess I didn't see— I haven't even seen a clip from the BET Awards. Speaker B: I just saw a clip of Deon Cole. I think he was hosting it. Speaker A: Oh, I did see this. Our God. Because people were mad that he was making jokes about the Tourette's guy. Speaker B: He was kind of coming for everyone a little bit, you know. He— well, he did a little— I just saw a clip where he was acting like a pastor in church. Saying like, oh Lord, we need you to pray for Nicki right now.

We need you to, you know, just like going through all the people in the, you know, in the hip-hop world who are— Speaker A: Dionne— Speaker B: in the news for whatever reason. And then he did say something like, you know, if you are a Tourette's having person in the audience right now, it might not go down the same at the BET Awards that it did at the BAFTAs type thing. Speaker A: That's— I mean, he's right about that. I mean, I think that the— Speaker B: which I think is a pretty innocuous joke.

I think it's totally fine. Speaker A: People keep talking about the BAFTA thing and like sort of making fun— like, I don't even know what the BAFTAs is. What the fuck is this? I've never heard of this. And I'm like, it's a pretty prestigious award show. Like, it's not like it's some community theater award show. Like, you might not know it because you're not British, I guess, but it's not like it's some— Speaker B: yeah, but the ad— but that clip got so— I mean, it was front page news. It exposed— no, no, of course, but I'm saying 2 billion people to what the BAFTAs are.

Speaker A: Yeah, but I'm talking about people who are— do what we do for a living. Speaker B: You're not talking about toll booth workers. You're talking about content creators. Yeah, I'm talking cultural zeitgeist. Speaker A: Yeah, I'm talking about like Charlemagne Tha God talking about like, I never, I never heard of this. I'm like, bro, you, you do all you do is fake shit no one's ever heard of. How have you not heard of the, the British Oscars? You know what I mean? It's just, I don't know, like it doesn't seem like that's not the thing to do, I guess is what I'm saying.

Like trying to say it's, it's just like, that's not the point, you know? But I— Speaker A: Yeah, but I'm talking about people who are— do what we do for a living. Speaker B: You're not talking about toll booth workers. You're talking about content creators. Yeah, I'm talking cultural zeitgeist. Speaker A: Yeah, I'm talking about like Charlemagne Tha God talking about like, I never, I never heard of this. I'm like, bro, you, you do all you do is fake shit no one's ever heard of. How have you not heard of the, the British Oscars?

You know what I mean? It's just, I don't know, like it doesn't seem like that's not the thing to do, I guess is what I'm saying. Like trying to say it's, it's just like, that's not the point, you know? But I— Speaker B: so did you watch all of the Brit Awards or just like all the performances? Speaker A: No, I just, I just Googled the performance. I just Googled who performed and just— and then because they're all— it's interesting, from what I could tell, they were— they had all posted them on their YouTube pages, which is pretty smart, I feel like.

Speaker B: Period. Well, I was— I watched a few clips of like, you know, the host and like the little interstitial skits in between the commercial, you know, all the segments. And, uh, I— as much as we love British people and as anglophile-ish we are, I, I think that British comedy is so great. But I don't know, I was watching it and I felt like we as Americans are not supposed to watch the Brit— like, we're not supposed to watch the Brits. It just felt I felt like it was just— Speaker A: no, definitely not.

Speaker B: Like, I can watch BET Awards because I've grown up watching BET my whole life, but like, just for whatever reason, like, the Brits have been going on and you can watch and there's always been clips, but I feel like for whatever reason this year I was like, I'm not supposed to be seeing this for whatever reason. Like, it's like content from an alien planet. Speaker A: It was in Manchester, you know, which makes it feel extra hard for us. Yeah, I watched— I mean, I watched the, um, Mark Ronson, who did like a sort of a whole, you know, opened with Ghostface and closed with Dua.

And I do, I think that range is important to remind people of. Speaker B: That is dope as hell. Speaker A: That, that is, that is unheard of, I would say, in today's, in today's market. But I didn't watch, um, and I guess Björk came out with, with Rosalía for her— Speaker B: Mother came out, Madre. Speaker A: There was something else. There's one other one I can't remember, but yeah, I watched them all because I was up, I was up early. I was watching. Speaker B: There was like an Ozzy Osbourne tribute thing.

Speaker A: I did not watch that. And look, I don't want to pile on Um, you know, because I think the media has, has been, been hard enough on, uh, Kelly and Sharon. But man, honestly, like, let's get into it. Speaker B: Let's get into it. Speaker A: Kelly is— that's the crazy— like, that's— it's the craziest shit. Maybe the craziest shit I've ever seen. Like, that might be the craziest physical transformation. Like, as people are talking about Jim Carrey, because now he looks like Ellen DeGeneres. And I think that for some reason, all men over 50 that start getting fillers and Botox look like lesbians.

It's just, it's, it's— I don't care how expensive the doctor is, you come out— I, it's crazy. I don't, I don't understand why it works like that. Speaker B: Whatever happened to a chiseled, grizzled man? You know, let's get it, some old, some good dick under up all these wrinkles and crinkles, you know what I mean? Speaker A: Jim Carrey looked good. It's not like he looked bad for his age, like he looked good. Speaker B: I don't know, I don't know. He looked like a fucking Norwegian dolphin. Speaker A: Jim Carrey looked good.

It's not like he looked bad for his age, like he looked good. Speaker B: I don't know, I don't know. He looked like a fucking Norwegian dolphin. Speaker A: No, I disagree. I think he looks— Speaker B: he looks psycho. Speaker A: No, he looks— Speaker B: he looks like an evil prime minister from a nation we don't know. Speaker A: Dude, I would rather look like that than what he looks like now. Speaker B: Well, you're biased because you're super anti-Jim Carrey and his humor. I'm sort of neutral on it.

I'm not a— Jim Carrey's not one of my GOATs, but I know that you're averse to him. Speaker A: I hate his humor. It's because it's not funny. Speaker B: Because you're an Ace Ventura hater. Speaker A: Well, if you— making faces isn't funny. Sorry, I'm not a child. But the— again, I'm saying the transformation. I guess what I mean is that there is something for men and women to be said about aging gracefully and looking your age, but like well maintained. Like he's in good shape, he's got a full head of hair, you know what I mean?

Like it's not like I'm saying there's a dignified way to age. And I think a guy like that, especially because I feel like before— now that I've— now that his face looks like a fucking balloon with lipstick on it, I feel like— I feel like before— Speaker B: honestly, does he look good or does he look like a balloon with lipstick on? Speaker A: No, he looked— no, I'm saying he looked better. He looks good before he got this plastic surgery. Like, oh God, he was aging, he was aging in an appropriate way.

And I also think he should have gone preventative, but he went gut reno. Speaker B: He overhauled something that didn't need to be hauled. Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I also think that a guy like that, if you age the right way, which seemed like that was the direction he was going in, you could have a weird third act in your career where you get serious, like you do something different. You know what I mean? Because you look sort of, you have that gravitas because you've aged, you know, it gives you a different, it gives people like a different look at you.

Speaker B: He overhauled something that didn't need to be hauled. Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I also think that a guy like that, if you age the right way, which seemed like that was the direction he was going in, you could have a weird third act in your career where you get serious, like you do something different. You know what I mean? Because you look sort of, you have that gravitas because you've aged, you know, it gives you a different, it gives people like a different look at you. Speaker B: Like maybe you should be doing that when you're the age of Sharon Osbourne versus the age of Kelly Osbourne.

Speaker A: Yeah. Sharon Osbourne's got one foot in the grave. I mean, that's, you know, that's, it's fine. Like who cares? Speaker B: Do it when you're 73, not when you're 40. Speaker A: Kelly Osbourne is our age probably. Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. Something like that. Speaker A: Generally our age. Speaker B: The— yeah, mom— mama looks like a ventriloquist doll because I think just once you— yeah, she's— Kelly, uh, is 41. Yeah, yeah, mom looks like the ventriloquist doll just because you get older, you know, people kind of shrink and certain people and, and body types shrink even more so.

Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean, the Kelly— the Kelly cheekbones are really— I don't know, it really— it reminds me of like when I was a kid and I would go on like Pirates of the Caribbean at Disneyland, and they would have all these little like skulls from like Polynesian monkeys and stuff lying around. Like, she looks like Punch the Monkey. Like, she looks like she has the skull of a small cute little monkey. Speaker A: Like, what is she going to do now? Do you know what I mean? Is this just how she looks for the rest of time?

Speaker A: Like, what is she going to do now? Do you know what I mean? Is this just how she looks for the rest of time? Speaker B: I think, I think she's just— once she, once she hits her goal weight, then she'll finally be able to chill. Speaker A: Every time I go to the doctor, I walk out of that bitch feeling dumb. I got no real info. This guy in a white coat just say, you're fine, you know, drink more water. Speaker B: He knows how to charge my copay.

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Or are you like, Yo, bitch, you got to chill. I ain't trying to fuck on Skeletor. Speaker B: I mean, I mean, I don't want to make light of people's issues, you know, whatever they may have, physical or mental or whatever. Speaker A: Yeah, we never do that. Speaker B: But yeah, we never do that. I'm saying that I said, I said I don't want to, but her lips are— her mouth is wide, are wider than her ears, if that makes just something about it. Has gone into a place where I feel like she's like this elegant alien creature that can like suck my soul out of my nose, you know what I mean?

Speaker A: I don't— I just don't know what's gonna happen. And I feel like it's, it's, it's— people are like, you know, you got to stop, don't, you know, you can't talk about appearance, you know, blah blah blah. And I'm— I, I get that to some extent, but on the other side of the coin, it's like, if you look like that and you're doing that to yourself and you're spending a fortune to do it, I think you probably want people to talk about it. You know what I mean? I think there's a little bit— I think there's a little bit of you that knows that this is going to garner attention.

Speaker B: It's almost as if she spent her entire formative childhood being, yeah, uh, an overweight girl in the spotlight of the world and was dealing with that her entire life. It's almost as if she's reacting to that. But I guess that's just Sharon Osbourne's fault for putting their family life and putting her young children on TV like that. Speaker B: It's almost as if she spent her entire formative childhood being, yeah, uh, an overweight girl in the spotlight of the world and was dealing with that her entire life. It's almost as if she's reacting to that.

But I guess that's just Sharon Osbourne's fault for putting their family life and putting her young children on TV like that. Speaker A: Well, there was that. There's famously the daughter that refused to do that. Yeah, you know, there's the other— there's the other daughter that was like, I don't want no part of this. Speaker B: She's probably looking healthy. Speaker A: Who's still— I don't— I mean, I know what she looks like, but like, I don't see her, you know what I mean? She's still not in any part of public life.

But yeah, I don't— but that is— I also, I hate, you know, I hate Black Sabbath. I don't care about that. I don't want to— the tributes to Black Sabbath bring out the dustiest guys on earth. Like, it's unbelievable the dust level that they uncover for that. Speaker B: Well, I think this sort of— I think this marks the end of the, you know, the wake of Ozzy Osbourne. So I think the nail is in the supreme coffin of you having to, you know, bear witness to this level of Sabbathery.

Speaker A: I don't know. I think Youngblood can always find a way. You know, I think Youngblood can always find a way. Speaker B: I guess we're going to be watching Grammys 2029. Fucking Billie Eilish and Phineas going to do No More Tears cover, break into to it. Fucking, it's never gonna end, will it, Chris? Well, I think there's a part, and I'm like, where was y'all when Ozzy Osbourne was alive? No one was fucking listening to Ozzy Osbourne music since 1989. No shit. Speaker A: That's not true. The Supreme employees listen to it for sure in the store.

That you can, you can catch the, you can catch Supreme on Sunset blasting Black Sabbath for sure. That's okay. Speaker B: Okay. Otherwise though, I think you're to scare the Koreans away. Speaker A: I, I don't think that, no, I think they just are enjoying the music. I think they're just enjoying the music. Nothing, nothing, nothing will scare them away is what I'm trying to say. Speaker B: Okay, okay. Speaker A: Yeah, I don't— I, I did also this morning, um, I watched, uh, Connor's story on SNL, and I'm saving it for dinner tonight.

It was— he's better than a lot of people, I'll say that. I think he's a real— you know, he's— Speaker B: kid's got it. Speaker A: Well, he's just like a real thespian who was like, you know, like in the theater when he was 10 and like loves it. So he's gonna like over— there was the skit that was the best that got cut was, um, a Tourette's joke. It was really good. Like, it was all these people playing different celebrities that have been canceled, okay, and then claiming that they, they just have Tourette's.

It was, it was very funny. There's a— we, we brought back Bill Cosby. There was a Mel Gibson. One of the guys does an amazing Louis K. Speaker B: I was just gonna say, as soon as you, as soon as you said that, I was like, this is a role that Keenan will destroy. Speaker A: Whoever he's gonna play, I mean, Keenan's Bill Cosby is a Hall of Fame A Hall of Fame. Yeah, of course, of course. But I, but I just, I thought he was— I mean, the, the whatever— I, I thought he was like, he was better.

I mean, it's, it's like, I think a guy like that weirdly wants it more than most people, so he's gonna like overdeliver and show up, you know, in a way, in a way that I think like a really, really famous person is like, I have to do this to promote a movie, and like, I like it, but it's like another thing I have to do, you know? It's like another week of my life that I have to work too hard. Speaker B: And it's such a shame because I think it— I don't think anyone thought he was going to do bad job.

I haven't seen it, so I don't know, but it seems like everyone is gaga-rino over it. And I, I just— it's such a misop, and I know that there's all a million reasons, but to have fucking Mumford and Sons is such— like, we are so close to being back, and then, hey man, you had to do some fucking Mumford. Speaker A: The Sons were, um, it's, it's— they're one of those classic— like, watching them on Saturday Night Live is like everything is so well done. Like, they're playing, they got all these fucking guys on stage playing horns and fucking banjos and, you know, like backup singers.

Like, it sounds amazing, but there's just nothing about it that I want to hear. It's just not, you know, it's totally, it's so pro and well done. And it's like Aaron Dessner's on set. I mean, I don't know, they brought out, they brought out Hozier for the single, I guess. But like I said, like I said to you, I was a little bit like, I know they're British, And I know they've stolen country music valor from us, and that's fine. But the song with Hozier is called Rubber Band Man. Speaker B: Which— And when I heard that, I almost, I feel like, you know, whatever, 15 years ago, I heard some like Weird Al Yankovic style, like bluegrass banjo cover.

Speaker A: Definitely. Speaker B: Of Rubber Band Man. You know what I mean? Speaker A: If you're a young person listening to the show, Rubber Band Man is a classic, classic, Atlanta rapper I. song that I believe is— I mean, to me, that's a Hall of Famer. That one kind of hangs in the rafters, especially from his catalog. Speaker A: Definitely. Speaker B: Of Rubber Band Man. You know what I mean? Speaker A: If you're a young person listening to the show, Rubber Band Man is a classic, classic, Atlanta rapper

I. song that I believe is— I mean, to me, that's a Hall of Famer. That one kind of hangs in the rafters, especially from his catalog. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: But so for these gentlemen to come in from the UK and bring their other Irish friend and do the song Rubber Band Man, do you think that they checked in with I.? Do you think they had to Do you think they had to check in with I.? Speaker B: Hozier FaceTimed with Tiny and they said it's all good. Speaker A: Do you think Hozier had to FaceTime a member, a member of BMF to kind of get this cleared?

And question: when Mumford Sons is on tour, can they play Rubber Band Man in Atlanta? Speaker B: Imagine if— you know, I think, I think it's fine now that, you know, I. is just, you know, a 50-year-old dad who's probably not so— I mean, I don't know if he was ever necessarily a gang-affiliated drug dealer as he talked about in his songs, but I think that they'll be fine. And I think that it's more likely to have— they're more likely to have I. come on stage and perform it together, you know, Diplo's Stagecoach Honky Tonk Rave, than to— Speaker A:

I. Speaker B: is busy dealing with 50 Cent. Speaker A:, I mean, they're— look, I. and his family have collectively destroyed 50 Cent, which I didn't think— I just didn't see that coming because 50 Cent, uh, one of our world's greatest pranksters, uh, no, that's with an A and S, you know, not E-R, E-R-S, respectively. Pranksta is— is— he's sort of been humbled by the, the Harris family, um, which I, and it's humbled by the Harrises, the new Keeping Up with the Kardashians. It's part, it's part in part because I think that

, for being as dusty and old head and Atlanta crooked fitted as he is, I think he, he sort of was like, I'm just gonna rap about how stupid you are. And that is somehow in today's world and maybe in hip hop only, it seemed to work better than a meme for the first time ever. Like it seems like, it seems like because 50 Cent won't rap. Speaker A: I. Speaker B: is busy dealing with 50 Cent. Speaker A:, I mean, they're— look, I. and his family have collectively destroyed 50 Cent, which I didn't think— I just didn't see that coming because 50 Cent, uh, one of our world's greatest pranksters, uh, no, that's with an A and S, you know, not E-R, E-R-S, respectively.

Pranksta is— is— he's sort of been humbled by the, the Harris family, um, which I, and it's humbled by the Harrises, the new Keeping Up with the Kardashians. It's part, it's part in part because I think that, for being as dusty and old head and Atlanta crooked fitted as he is, I think he, he sort of was like, I'm just gonna rap about how stupid you are. And that is somehow in today's world and maybe in hip hop only, it seemed to work better than a meme for the first time ever.

Like it seems like, it seems like because 50 Cent won't rap. Speaker B: You're saying a bar is kind of the original meme. That's very interesting. Speaker A: A bar, a bar is kind of an original meme, but I was just sort of like, wow, this seems to have worked. And in a way that I wouldn't have expected it to, because I thought the only currency we traded in, in modern times was, were memes. Speaker B: Mm-hmm. I mean, it went from memes to then, you know, the 50 He'll Play games with, you know, getting surveillance footage of Jim Jones being locked out of his storage container facility or what, you know, like resort to petty stuff like that.

But I like it returning to, to rapping using their skills. I mean, It's the same thing as just, you know, we're bringing back some battle rapping, but we're creating this, you know, Korean microdrama narrative story that's playing out on social media. So there's more reason, you know, did you— it's like the R. Kelly trapped in the closet. I heard TI released another freaking diss track about how 50 Cent's mom is fat or whatever, you know what I mean? Like, they're, they're creating— they're all in on it. They're all friends. They're all just doing this so they can have—

Speaker A: I don't think they're all friends. I don't think that when you're son who— your son who looks like he's never seen light goes and takes a picture of your dead mother's grave and posts it on IG. I don't think— for some reason, because in hip-hop there's— and this is something I've also been reminded of by listening to Joe Budden— there's like different rules. Like, you— there's stuff that you like quote unquote can't do, whereas white people, white people will do whatever, they don't give a shit. There's like certain things that you don't— lines you don't cross.

And I believe that dead mama— Speaker B: you don't touch another man's Maybach. Speaker A: Yeah. I think a dead mama is high up on the list of things that you don't do. So taking a picture of the grandmother's grave and being like, here's this dead bitch or whatever he said is pretty— Speaker B: well, first of all, I. Son probably hired a TaskRabbit to do that. Speaker A: I don't know. Speaker B: He probably never left his goon cave. Speaker A: I disagree. He don't got much going on. I think he could actually be the one that went— no, you're right.

I think he probably used Google Maps. He used Google image search, found a picture of 50 Cent's mom's gray. But also, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, he posted that shit on Grid too. He didn't even go— that wasn't a story. That was on Grid, personal Grid. Speaker B: Well, what I'm saying is, you know, is that such a crazy low blow? You're violating one of the unspoken hip-hop rules of warfare. Or did 50 Cent come up with that idea and say that it'd be cool if you did that? Speaker A: No, you're turning into too much of a conspiracy theorist.

There's no— Speaker B: no, this is just— I'm just saying, you know, if the world stage is just the same as, you know, basically WWF and soap opera level narratives and stories with people that exist half in real life and half in fake life, then who is to say there isn't a Vince McMahon, you know, pulling all these strings? Speaker A: No, you're turning into too much of a conspiracy theorist. There's no— Speaker B: no, this is just— I'm just saying, you know, if the world stage is just the same as, you know, basically WWF and soap opera level narratives and stories with people that exist half in real life and half in fake life, then who is to say there isn't a Vince McMahon, you know, pulling all these strings?

Speaker A: I'm saying that there's not. I'm saying, I'm saying when, when, when Jacob Elordi and Margot Robbie are promoting a movie and talking about how they trust each other and giving each other gifts and wearing matching rings, that is— that to me, I know what's going on there. We're trying to sell Wuthering Heights That's totally fine. Everybody knows that's historic Hollywood. I don't think those games— I don't think that level of puppeteering has reached like Dusty Hip Hop guys. I just don't think that is— I don't think that those two things are meeting each other in the middle.

Speaker B: Okay, well, once, once you finally crack that third eye, just let me know and we can get into it. We can go fucking beast mode on this one. Speaker A: My eye is cracked, just cracked though. I need glasses. That's the problem. Speaker B: Um, shout out to a friend of the show, Glaive. For bagging him, Alyssa Liu, figure skater, gold medal winner. The gone effect at it again. Speaker A: Yeah. What is, which part is the gone effect? A white guy dating an Asian woman or something else?

Speaker B: That's one petal of the flower. Sure. Okay. Just somebody, you know, who's to say that she didn't get, you know, put on to Glaive from How Long Gone podcast. Speaker B: That's one petal of the flower. Sure. Okay. Just somebody, you know, who's to say that she didn't get, you know, put on to Glaive from How Long Gone podcast. Speaker A: I am, once again, I am here to say that. I am here to say that. She just fell for it. Put on. Speaker B: You asked who? Me.

Speaker A: Me. But I'm happy. I'm happy that Glaive is— I'm happy that Glaive has found love. Is this confirmed, or has there just been multiple pictures of them at like Benihana together? Speaker B: And I don't know if it's confirmed, but I've— people are sending me all, you know, I say once a day, a woman somewhere says— sends me like a TikTok where they're like triangulating like luggage in the back of photos from, you know, 3 months ago. And like, this person's bag was here, and that means, you know, she's in his green room here.

And then, you know, like a whole thing. So I don't, I don't know if they're actually dating or not, but people want to. Well, I'm gonna, you know, it's just like the, uh, I'll ship them the Leo DiCaprio pointing at the TV thing. Every time somebody sees Glaive do something, they want to send it to me because he's sort of our little golden child, you know. Speaker A: Oh no, I need to tap in with— I think we should go visit Glaive's home. Speaker B: It's not a bad idea. Speaker A: I think we should go to his house because I wanted to see how Glaive is living, because part of me, part of me thinks he has like 4 very high-end pieces of furniture and an 85-inch TV and that's it.

And part of me thinks he has nothing and sleeps on a towel. But either, either thing could be true. Speaker B: I think he has two homes and both of those are correct. Yeah. Speaker A: And he might have a— yeah, I could also see him having like an electric Hummer or a Civic. There's no— there's like no in-between with him. It's a real— I feel like a real all-in guy. Speaker B: I think he has two homes and both of those are correct. Yeah. Speaker A: And he might have a— yeah, I could also see him having like an electric Hummer or a Civic.

There's no— there's like no in-between with him. It's a real— I feel like a real all-in guy. Speaker B: And he can make the electric Hummer cool, you know what I mean? That's what I'm the most worried about. Speaker A: In Asheville, in Asheville, you got to have electric, you know what I mean? They don't love the gas— they don't love the gas guzzlers over there. If you got a Yeah, if you got a home. Speaker B: We don't do it with no crew, especially what's going on in the Middle East, you know.

Speaker A: That's true. We all have to drive electric soon. Speaker B: Mm-hmm. We can't rely on the fossil fuels. We should do a little recap of our Tom of Finland fiesta for freez. You know, thanks to Silencio and Tom of Finland for having us host a party with you. I didn't really get to see you at all. We had dinner before and then you dropped me off, Ryland dropped me off. I ran in and started playing and then that was it. You texted me, great job, you killed it, I'm out of here.

Speaker A: Well, I was— Speaker B: after I finished. So I mean, I'm, I'm not saying this is good or bad, I'm just saying I don't know. I, I don't know what happened. I didn't really hang out with anybody the whole time I was DJing, you know, I was just solo. So, you know, tell me what happened. Speaker A: I didn't really hang out with anybody either. It's a strange— this phenomenon, the phenomenon that you're speaking of has crossed over to the audience as well as the talent. I, I sort of— I hung out with I was talking to Ryland because we just haven't seen each other in a while, so we were catching up.

And, you know, Carolyn had, you know, 8 gay guys with her that I didn't know. And then, you know, the line was one of the craziest lines I've maybe ever seen. And that's not patting myself or you on the back. It was just sort of like, I feel like the world conspired to make that line happen because the club was also packed. Like, they were letting people in. It wasn't like a, you know what I mean? It wasn't like a door hold situation. Um, right. But I got the text that Tim and, and Mikey and Maddie were at the door, and as much as I wanted to make them suffer for my own pleasure, I did go upstairs.

And then when I saw what was going on, I was like, this is fucking absolute OD. So I just, I was like, Lynn, can these three please come with me? And then I'm gonna leave you alone for the rest of the night. I don't want— I, I can't. Speaker B: I was getting flashbacks of when I would do the door at Cinespace and Like the, I would go down there to like get a friend in and you know, the security team would be like, save yourself, man. Just, you don't want to come down here and you don't want to see this, man.

Speaker A: My question is, and this is something that you'll be, you'll be able to shine a light on. And the dichotomy, the relationship, the working relationship of the door person that is in this day and age, maybe with an iPad or a clipboard, because there's no longer just eyeballs. You know, that like, and the security guard are— obviously they're working together, but then at a certain point, I believe they're working against each other. They're at odds because the, the person that wants to let people in is not allowed because they've hit a quote-unquote capacity that someone has whispered in the doorman's ear.

How do you navigate that situation when you want your friends to get in? It's your party, it's lit, but the security guard's kind of like Hey, man, you know, the club owner told me this, this, X, Y, Z. Speaker B: She just proper management. How do you get creative to mesh well with accounting? You know what I mean? It's tough. One person's trying to do, you know, trying to paint the picture. The other person's saying, trying to keep you on budget or whatever, and you're at odds. You got to work together.

I think you just have to form an empathetic friendship with the other side and have a nice little back and forth, a little compromise, a little one for you, a little one for them. Hey, you know, let in one of your security guard friends, and you know, I'll let you bring in one of those if you get 10 of my people in right now. Whatever it is you got to do just to get things moving. Speaker A: So it's just, it's just, it's like, it's like Trump, you know, trying to broker a deal.

You're just kind of trying to figure it out. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: Yeah, that makes sense. Speaker B: And just like Trump, you typically don't get the job done. Speaker A: I, I, that I know for a fact. Speaker B: You just, you just kind of, uh, nervously smoke cigarettes and look at your phone every minute until it says 1:59. Speaker A: But the, but the party, you were, you were, you were really in your bag. I thought that was the, the kind of the perfect audience for you. Speaker B: I agree.

I agree. It was a pleasure. Speaker A: It was gay, but it wasn't like, I don't know, it didn't seem, it wasn't, I've been to gayer parties. I'll say that. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: You know, it was, it was, even though Tom of Finland was, was, you know, top billing, it wasn't, it wasn't leather daddy OD. Speaker B: Yeah. They were. Yeah. I've, I've been to gayer events as well, for sure. So it was, it could have been gayer, but I, you know, I think that's also like a little 2026 energy where are, you know, all of these safe spaces are maybe a little too open to everyone, you know what I mean?

Speaker A: Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely open to everyone. I mean, I also think every, like, young people are all just gay, so you can't tell, you know what I mean? It's a little bit of a, it's, it's who knows what's going on in there. But it was, it was, yeah, it was really fun and I had a good time and I was happy with my, you know, we went to SVB, we had dinner, I went to the party, I was there for 2 hours, had a good time, was in bed by midnight.

So it was kind of a great, a great situation for me. I, I didn't— I saw a little bit of Harvey, um, that is not really my thing, but it seemed— I didn't realize that he's like having the time of his life. Like, I, I was really inspired by that, I have to say. I was just like, oh, this guy is having the time of his life and he's been doing this forever. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: So for that to, to still be able to— Speaker B: he's like a— he's like a— if, if Austin Powers was sexy and cool, you know what I mean?

If he was like a hot guy. Speaker A: I just was like, this guy's having the time of his life and he's literally done this every night for 30 years. Like, that's, that's, that's, you know, it's rare you see someone really pick the right job. Speaker B: Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. And I was, I was, it was funny. I was watching him DJ and just admiring how much he really is just like a vibes guy, selector. Like he just has his song, his MP3s on a file.

There's no BPMs, there's no, you know, cue points or no anything. It's as if he's, but he just knows all this old music. For so long. He's played it so long that in his mind he knows exactly what to do and when to do it. And there's no planning or preparation. He just kind of— somebody points him in front of the, in front of the crowd and, you know, 7 hours goes by and the bottle of, the bottle of whiskey is done and he's, he's smiling the whole time. It's just such a unique thing to see nowadays.

Speaker A: Yeah, I know. I agree. Speaker B: Beautiful too, because like so many, like no DJs put on a song they love that's 11 minutes long. And then dance and, you know, talk to chicks and have a cigarette and, you know, whatever it is. And then, you know, oh, 10 minutes have passed. Time to start picking out my next song to dance to. Everyone else is just so focused on like getting a video clip of them doing an epic drop while they do this, you know, whatever, you know, it's so ass backwards.

Like nobody remembers that it's about dancing. Speaker A: There's definitely— I mean, that was a dance. There was a crowd that was dancing quite a lot. I will say that it wasn't a stand there, look at your phone audience, which I know is good for your business. Speaker B: It was great to play all these songs that I've been like opening my set with for 10 years that no one's ever danced to and have a room full of people dance to it. It was— Speaker A: oh, I see, I see, it works, it works in your favor.

Speaker B: But I, I really wish that I played the whole night though, you know, not selfishly— I mean, selfishly speaking, because I was, I was just, you know, tapping the tip and I never really got a chance to really slide all the way in. Speaker A: Wow, that's, uh, it's a little graphic, but sure, I know what you mean. Speaker B: I know, I apologize. Speaker A: It's okay, I'll let you slide. Speaker B: Nope, 2 hours of me tapping the tongue, you know what I mean? Speaker A: Well, that was, uh, yeah, yeah, that's, that's exactly, that's exactly what I experienced.

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How many times do they do? Speaker A: 3 times a week. And I, I have a feeling, just based on the platform and these talking points, that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. Speaker B: The Guardian is not some billionaire-owned platform. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Speaker A: 3 times a week. And I, I have a feeling, just based on the platform and these talking points, that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do.

That's just a guess. Speaker B: The Guardian is not some billionaire-owned platform. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Speaker A: Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in, in what, uh, journalists Ky Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcast. You can watch on YouTube. It's 3 times a week. And who couldn't use more news, you know, especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Your summer starts now with Memorial Day deals at The Home Depot.

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So it's, it's like, it's like jarring to see a nightlife line because that's— that used to be the only place I would ever experience a line besides like TSA. Not that I was waiting in them, of course, but I would see them, you know what I mean? But I'm saying that now it's like you see lines so often that seeing one at night almost threw me off. I was like, oh shit, I forgot people do this. I totally forgot people do that. Speaker B: And it used to be a thing that you would drive by, you drive all through Hollywood, all through Manhattan, all through whatever downtown of their big city, and there'd be 100 people, 50 people, 200 people in line here, and you'd be like, oh, that spot's lit tonight.

I just drove past One Oak and there's fucking, you know, it's too crazy. Let's go here instead. So you don't see it at all anymore. Speaker A: No, definitely not. Speaker B: So it was cool to, cool to do that. But I was thinking about it, like, why? Because everyone is like, man, this party was so fun, it was so great. Why can't stuff be like this more often? And, you know, it wasn't a free bar. Like, drinks there are expensive. It's at an expensive hotel in Los Angeles. Like, it was free to get in, and there's two DJs and just no anything else.

Just like, that's it. Yeah, it was almost as if we were at like, I don't know, like in Burning Man or Tulum, or like we were in a different location in the world. We were all you know, the Grand Caymans in the nightclub or whatever, and we're all going to come together and do this thing. I'm like, we, we could be doing this every week, but I guess you just need like— Speaker A: that's the problem. Speaker B: You need a brand. You need a brand to, you know, spit out $50 grand or whatever.

Speaker A: I think the problem is, is that it's either a special— everything has to be tied to a brand or a special event, or it's like people smoking 100 cigarettes at the Irish bar they were talking about last night on Fairfax. There's no I don't, I, I don't think— Speaker B: Tom Barrigan. Speaker A: I don't think the weekly party where it's just the music is good and it's fun exists anymore. I think it's an, uh, a Lululemon legging release, you know, DJ, DJ by Tinks, and there's a thousand people here.

Or it's, or it's like, we're gonna go to this shitty bar that has carpet and just because I want to hang out with my friends. Like, music's not even part of it, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. Because in our— I mean This is— this is— Speaker B: Tom Barrigan. Speaker A: I don't think the weekly party where it's just the music is good and it's fun exists anymore. I think it's an, uh, a Lululemon legging release, you know, DJ, DJ by Tinks, and there's a thousand people here.

Or it's, or it's like, we're gonna go to this shitty bar that has carpet and just because I want to hang out with my friends. Like, music's not even part of it, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. Because in our— I mean This is— this is— Speaker B: I'm mostly here for the food truck photos. Speaker A: We're showing our age here, but it really was like you could go out every night and there was good— not maybe not your type of good music, but good music. At least, at least Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.

Speaker B: Mm-hmm. Speaker A: And a, in a situation where there was a couple DJs playing at a place that was cool, and sometimes it would be hard to get in, sometimes it wouldn't be. Speaker B: Mm-hmm. Speaker A: But that's the— that's just what it is. And now it's, it's literally, it has to be branded. Or it has to be the complete opposite. Speaker B: But I think a reason for that is even though we're living in a time of, you know, vibes only and vibe coding and vibe this and vibe that, nobody is entering, um, restricted spaces based on vibes alone anymore.

Speaker A: That's true. Speaker B: So we need, we need these private special events to do the, the culling of the herd because we're too there's— where we don't trust clubs to control and be selective of who they're letting in. They're just either letting in people who are willing to pay money because, you know, we're just trying to stay open, or we just don't know and it's just some dumb fucking 19-year-old who's, you know, running down an RSVP list. If you, you know, it doesn't matter if you're the shittiest person of all time, if you send an RSVP, come on in.

They don't have any agency over what they're doing. So they— that's why it doesn't— we don't trust clubs to control the crowd. I don't want to go to a bar or a club because I'm too afraid of it being full of goofies. You can't take that chance. Speaker A: Well, no, everywhere. Well, that's everywhere in the world now. I can't go to the grocery store without being full of goofies. That's the whole problem. Speaker B: I mean, well, that's fine. I don't mind about— I don't mind being around goofies in the daytime, but if I'm going to go hang out, socialize, I want to see cool, fun, interesting, sexy people and smoke cigarettes and drink with them and have laughs and jokes.

And not have some fucking sweaty guy be like, remember the one time I've been following you? Like, and you just gotta talk to some guy. Speaker A: That's why you were— well, you shouldn't have gone to your own party the other night then, because I did. So I definitely did some of that. Thank God you were DJing. Speaker B: Look, we were both busy that night, okay? Speaker A: No, I know what you mean though. I know what you mean. But I think that there's like a— Speaker B: make door policies great again.

Speaker A: That's over. It's just never gonna happen again. It's just never gonna happen again. I don't think it'll be I just think that there are things that I am able to hope for in life and I want to see them return. And I just don't think that is going to happen. I think culture has shifted too far away from it and it's, it's bad for everybody. It's as bad as, as Pink taking over the Kelly Clarkson Show. That's how bad it is. Speaker B: Okay. Well, the next time— Speaker A: That's how far we've fallen.

Speaker B: Me and DJ Harvey, the next time you can see us play together is on Twitch then. Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. I think the only way to DJ without losers being there is to do it on Twitch from your own house where no one can— Yeah. Speaker B: And you could tip me a virtual bump bump if I'm doing a good job. Speaker A: Yeah, just tip me a virtual bump. It's fine. You, you know which emoji to use. Don't act like you don't. I want to, I want to talk about this restaurant.

So, so yesterday, yesterday, uh, Tim and I met you at Arcana, one of America's greatest bookstores in Culver City, one of America's worst neighborhoods. And, um, we— there was a— Speaker A: Yeah, just tip me a virtual bump. It's fine. You, you know which emoji to use. Don't act like you don't. I want to, I want to talk about this restaurant. So, so yesterday, yesterday, uh, Tim and I met you at Arcana, one of America's greatest bookstores in Culver City, one of America's worst neighborhoods. And, um, we— there was a— Speaker B: Gus Van Zandt was doing a talk and a book signing, and, um, I was able to share a a long glance with Kim Gordon as she was leaving the parking lot.

Speaker A: Yeah, Kim doesn't want nothing to do with us. Speaker B: No, no, no, she gave me a smile and I said, who me? Speaker A: She did not give you a smile. Speaker B: I said, get out of here, Kimlet. Speaker A: Kim Gordon again. Speaker B: Crazy kid. Speaker A: Kimlet, Kimlet, get the fuck out of here. Get back in your Prius. But the— Speaker B: Kim, I wish you were team followback. Sorry, go ahead, Chris. Speaker A: Oh, she's not team followback? Speaker B: She's not. Speaker A: That's tough.

I mean, she will come on How Long Gone. I've been talking to people in Kim Gordon's camp for multiple years. Literally about it, and it just, you know, for whatever reason, it doesn't work out. She's got a book coming out, she's got this coming out, just it doesn't work out. Speaker B: Damn, she follows McCall's Meat and Fish but does not engage with me? Come on, girl. Speaker A: They provide her more of a service than you ever could. Quit playing around, let's be real. Speaker B: I'll be there, I'll be at— I'll be at McCall's later this afternoon, don't worry.

Speaker A: I guess we'll talk about it at a different time. But we— so we went to this, it was great to see Jesse Pearson, one of the— one of, uh, a real New York legend, which I love to run into at Arcana. But what a guy. But so you— we were trying to find a place to eat dinner in that general vicinity just because we were all going to be there and sort of, you know, that's out of our normal zones in LA, I would say. Speaker B: And food desert is what they call it.

Speaker A: I was, I was sort of pushing for— I had a Mexican agenda. I don't know what it was. I'd eaten SVB two nights in a row, so I can't see another shrimp cocktail. Speaker B: But my head through the fucking wall. He was going torta hunting. Speaker A: I was. Yeah. And you were like, look, I can't. I love, I love how specific— no one else would ever text me this. You know, there's a couple places, but unfortunately they're not super friendly for you because the tortillas do have lard in them.

Um, which I, I really respect how thorough you got with it. But so anyway, we were, we were running outta options. Like, you know what, open this up to any genre, any cuisine. TJ, take the wheel. It's all, you know, whatever. It's all good. And you're like, let's go to Super Peach. And I was like, okay, I, that sounds like a video game, but what, what is that? Is that a Mario Kart level that I'm not familiar with? And you're, you, you explained to me that it's a, David Chang restaurant at the Century City Mall.

So it's, it's a, it's a neutered majordomo inside of one of the greatest malls in the world that's also known for having a diabolical parking lot. Speaker B: Minor, it's a minor domo. Yeah, it's like, um, a really good airport restaurant or something. I don't know. Um, but yeah, I just want— it was one of those things like, when in Rome. I'm in Culver City, you know, I'm not gonna go eat that's, you know, some dumb shit over there. Let's, let's really go full balls deep and hit the Century City Mall on a Saturday night.

You know, walk around, see the dogs, see the strollers, pop into Aritzia, you know, do the really do the damn thing. Speaker A: Yeah. If you're, if you're— Speaker A: Yeah. If you're, if you're— Speaker B: Snoop around Viore. Speaker A: If you're at Culver's, if you're at, if you're at an Aritzia, I didn't know this. Tim put us on. They did. They've done a series of shopping bags with photographers. So there's a Jamie Hawkesworth, there's a Greg Crewdson. I think there's a Juergen Teller. So it's the bag just has a picture.

It's actually quite cool. Speaker B: Um, shoutouts goes out to our Aritzia girls. Speaker A: So we had to go into the Aritzia store and ask them to see a bag, uh, which did make us look like, uh, some sort of pests. I'm not sure exactly what prefix we'll put on. Speaker B: I felt like I was Tim's manager. Speaker A: Yeah, same. I wanted, I wanted Tim to do the talking, but of course I did the talking. Um, we, so we, anyway, we're, we're walking around the mall We go to Super Peach, and I need to say I loved it.

I loved it. Speaker B: Okay, great. Speaker A: It was— everything was pro. It was nice. Everything was new. The service was good. The food was— I didn't have anything I didn't like. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: I didn't have anything I didn't like. Speaker B: Fabulous. Speaker A: I didn't have anything I didn't like. It was quite good. And I am a big Momofuku guy. I love the Noodle Bar. The East Village location I've gone to quite a lot. And I do miss, I do miss Chang sometimes. Speaker B: I remember you, you liked all the dishes, but the last dish you ordered, which was like a mushroom noodle dish, was more of just like a mushroom pasta.

And it was, it was funny watching you sort of navigate the waters of like, this doesn't taste Asian at all. It's a nice, what did I say? It's, it's too David, not, not, not enough Chang on that plate. Exactly. Speaker A: It was too, yeah. Speaker A: It was too, yeah. Speaker B: You're like, not a nothing, nothing Asian at all on this dish. Oh, okay. It's just interesting to see where where the fusion lines are drawn and, you know, what were the battles that you choose. Speaker A: I should have given you a bite.

I didn't even think about it. I should have offered you a bite because I think I would have— Speaker B: Yes, you should have, Chris. Speaker A: Well, no, I'm just saying I don't think the flavors were there and I'm positive they weren't there, but maybe a supertaster could have found something buried. Speaker B: No, no, no. I trust your palate because when that dessert came out and you said, you know, I'm not really getting any yuzu on this at all. I was like, Chris. I'm so proud. I saw this moment over here.

Speaker A: We had a, we had a crazy— because Tim knew what yuzu was, which blew me away, and then I, I claimed I couldn't taste it. Speaker B: No, no, I mean, can candy eaters who hang out with e-girls— they know all about the flavor of yuzu. Speaker A: That's true. A guy's been to Japan too many times and bought an extra suitcase for the stuff he bought. They'd be knowing about yuzu. Um, yeah, but I, I just, uh, I found the whole experience— I, I just forget how good and comforting the malls are here.

Because I, you know, occasionally I'll go to the Grove when I'm back or whatever, but like a mall of that level with the indoor-outdoor on a beautiful night, it just really— it's— and we also discovered, well, or rediscovered maybe, with the neighborhood Cheviot Hills, because we were driving in a direction we normally don't. Speaker B: We were in Bellini country last night. Speaker A: Cheviot Hills is, is, is making me a West Side apologist. I love it. I, I've, I've I've driven through there before. Speaker B: We were in Bellini country last night.

Speaker A: Cheviot Hills is, is, is making me a West Side apologist. I love it. I, I've, I've I've driven through there before. Speaker B: Don't let Carolyn pull up in Cheviot Hills. I'm gonna— I'm gonna lose my fucking— you're fucked. Speaker A: You gotta— Speaker B: my Armenian power status is gonna be revoked. Speaker A: You gotta— real soon you gotta sell your CDJs to get— get— sell a little bit more than that. Speaker B: Yeah, I'm gonna let go of the sauna. Lots going down. Speaker A: But it was really— I just was like, I've, I've driven through this neighborhood before and really liked it, but it did feel— it is it feels really nice.

I don't know what it is. It doesn't feel as like fussy as Beverly Hills or as quite as sleepy as like a— I don't know what it is. There's something in the air over there. Probably money is probably what it is. Speaker B: But I think what throws me off is because like living on the East Side my whole life, I have sort of the— it could be psychosomatic or whatever, just the feng shui of knowing where like the mountains are and knowing my placement in the world and the landscape.

And I don't know, when I'm over there, you're just sort of plopped in the middle of a forest and I don't know what direction is north and south and I don't have a good lay of the land. I feel unprotected almost. It's kind of weird. Speaker A: And you're saying this is freeing or you don't like it? Speaker B: This is, yeah, this is a negative thing. Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Speaker B: I got you. I could obviously learn to love living in Cheviot Hills, of course. Speaker A: Yeah, I think you could.

Yeah, yeah. I could learn to live in Bel Air. I think I could find a way. I know what you mean. I know you mean, but that mall really is special and I need to remember that and try to make an effort more often to go out there. Speaker A: And you're saying this is freeing or you don't like it? Speaker B: This is, yeah, this is a negative thing. Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Speaker B: I got you. I could obviously learn to love living in Cheviot Hills, of course. Speaker A: Yeah, I think you could.

Yeah, yeah. I could learn to live in Bel Air. I think I could find a way. I know what you mean. I know you mean, but that mall really is special and I need to remember that and try to make an effort more often to go out there. Speaker B: We'll do it. No, no, I go there a decent amount. Carolyn does some studio pulls over there at Bloomies and you know, we got to go hit Eataly for the mustache yogurt. You already know what it is. Speaker A: I can't believe.

I can't believe. Speaker B: Some rare canned tomatoes. Speaker A: What is the actual name of that yogurt? Dr. Mustache? Is that the name? Mr. Mustache? Speaker B: No, it's not that. It is White Mustache. Speaker A: White, oh wow. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: All right. So it's the White Mustache. So it's giving, it's giving got milk as far as the name goes. I would imagine. Speaker B: I think it's giving old Persian dad who has a white mustache. Speaker A: Okay. Do we know, cause I know the lore of this yogurt and how popular it is, not from you, but also from several, you know, it's a known quantity.

What is the yogurt you got last night? It was a, what was it? It was pistachio and honey. Speaker B: It was orange blossom and walnut. Speaker A: Okay. I'm sorry. Orange blossom and walnut. How much— and it's a— this is a single serve, you know, this is a regular single serve yogurt, but it is in a glass package, which makes it a little, a little nicer. What— how much does that cost? Because you said that it's hard to find, and Eataly is one of the few places that retails it.

Speaker B: It was like $6 or $7. Speaker A: Oh, okay. So it's not crazy. Speaker B: It was like $6 or $7. Speaker A: Oh, okay. So it's not crazy. Speaker B: It's not— it used to be more. I think, I think because of their supply chain, they've, they've been able to lower the price a little bit. But also, you know, the yogurt, I don't think they're doing to make— it's not expensive because they're gouging you. I think it's just they're using like, it just costs them a lot of money to make yogurt this— Speaker A: Now I'm trying to— Speaker B: To this level that they want.

Speaker A: Because I've bought it before and I'm thinking now where I got it and Alex was buying it. I think she was also buying it at Eataly because there's that one in SoHo. So now I'm like, is it— and you said Erewhon is not, is it an Erewhon thing or is it only like a specialty, like a cookbook? Speaker B: They have it, it's in Los Angeles, it's only Eataly. But in other— in New York you can get it in a lot of different places. Speaker A: That's so interesting to be honest.

Speaker B: They have it at Whole Foods in New York. Speaker A: Okay, that makes sense. Speaker B: Because it's from Brooklyn, it's made in New York, that's why. Speaker A: Oh, okay. I'm just surprised they haven't spread their wings a little more. Speaker B: You can get it at Citarella, Café Clementine, Eataly, Happier Grocery, Murray's. Speaker A: Oh, okay. So they're in— Speaker B: Tin Building, Union Market, the list goes on, Chris. Speaker A: RIP to the Tin Building. I'm pouring out some Fiji right now. For my, for my homies.

Speaker B: Just a little quick, there's $195 mil down the drain. Speaker A: How much do they lose in a day or a week? It was something crazy. It was like mil— it was like a mil— it was more than a million dollars a week or something. Speaker B: Oh, that's some Drake-level losses right there. Speaker A: It is. I mean, he's losing right now posing in that cactus plant flea market outfit with a little iguana on his back. Speaker B: You're not a fan of that, um, that capsule collection, I take it?

Speaker A: I just— you know what, I, I actually I, I'm not even against the capsule collection. I just think the wrong people wear it. I think that is not for men, like adult men. Speaker B: Oh, that's some Drake-level losses right there. Speaker A: It is. I mean, he's losing right now posing in that cactus plant flea market outfit with a little iguana on his back. Speaker B: You're not a fan of that, um, that capsule collection, I take it? Speaker A: I just— you know what, I, I actually I, I'm not even against the capsule collection.

I just think the wrong people wear it. I think that is not for men, like adult men. Speaker B: I was going to say, who's the right kind of person? And you say women. Speaker A: No, I don't even mean women, but children. Speaker B: Yeah, it's good for like, it's good for— so it's age appropriate. Speaker A: If I got 12, 12-year-old— if I got full matching cactus plant iguana fits for my like nieces, that makes sense. But like, if you're a 43-year-old man with tattoos on your face Like, I don't think that is the— I don't think that is the move for you.

I don't— I don't— I'll just never understand that. Speaker B: A person who can beat me up should not wear that. Speaker A: Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Speaker B: It just makes the world a wrong place to be in. Speaker A: It just— it just really— it really turns me around when I see it. But I'm glad this— anytime Drake posts, though, I'm happy to see it, you know, just making sure he's still alive, you know, you know, checking the background of the photo for any huge Aperol Spritzes to see how drunk he is.

Speaker B: How do you think, depending on what time it— how much money do you think he got for the OVO McDonald's collaboration in your professional opinion? Speaker A: Honestly, I bet it's not that much. I bet it— because it's probably— because it's Canadian budgets. Like, it's— that's the thing. It's— I think it's only McDonald's Canada, so the budget is much smaller, obviously, than McDonald's, you know, global. Speaker A: Honestly, I bet it's not that much. I bet it— because it's probably— because it's Canadian budgets. Like, it's— that's the thing.

It's— I think it's only McDonald's Canada, so the budget is much smaller, obviously, than McDonald's, you know, global. Speaker B: Okay, give me a— give me a ballpark number. What, $3 million? Speaker A: Way less. Way less. Speaker B: $750,000? Speaker A: Maybe. Maybe. Speaker B: Really? Speaker A: Maybe less than that. Speaker B: I guess— do you think Drake stock has gone down exponentially over the last couple years? Speaker A: I just don't think— I think it's— I think those things are in some ways better for the artist than they are for McDonald's, to keep it a buck.

Like, McDonald's don't need shit. McDonald's doesn't need Travis Scott or Drake. Speaker B: You're saying Drake should be paying McDonald's. That's— Speaker A: I get it. That's smart. I think they're making a lot of money. I just don't think it's as much as people think because I think they're making it in other— they might do like a merch thing around it. You know what I mean? Like, that's what Travis Scott did. He did all that merch and he made a fortune on the merch. So, and McDonald's knows that, so they're not going to, they don't have to write as big of a check.

Speaker B: Mm-hmm. Speaker A: I would think, I mean, look, I know there's a million people listening to this who are involved in that deal and they're going to text me and tell me how wrong I am. But that is, that's just a gut thing. Speaker B: Okay. Well, whoever it is, tell me and let me know. I want to like, I want to do a food partnership like that, but with a different company that I actually believe in and enjoy. And I can't think of one that has enough money.

To like write a fat check and one that I would want to be a part of, you know what I mean? Like Del Taco, probably, you know, that's going to be a little, you know, we'll get a little 3 grand for that or something. Speaker A: There's no— Speaker B: I need some real— Speaker A: I just saw that Del Taco closed their Atlanta location. Sorry to, sorry to hear that. But I really— yeah, I follow this guy on Instagram that like— Speaker B: that's racist. Speaker A: He just reports on stuff that's closing in Atlanta, and I don't know why I— because it's stuff I haven't heard of most of the time, but I like to— I just like— I didn't know there's Del Taco at all, so for it to close, you know, for it to close— yeah, I don't think there's any— I mean, I, I would— I mean, like, what— I wonder what that would be now.

You really got me thinking, because to me it would be a sandwich. Speaker B: Okay. I mean, I would— we would— I think if we did a Jimmy John collab, I think that would— that's a good example of a brand that we believe in. Speaker A: I think a How Long Gone— I would do a How Long Gone Subway just for Nostalgia vibes. Speaker B: Make Subway great again, right? Speaker A: Imagine if we were able to work with one of our friends in the baking industry to create a new Subway cookie.

Imagine. Speaker B: Do a squirrel Subway cookie. Speaker A: Imagine if we do a foot-long squirrel cookie. Speaker B: Gluten-free. Speaker A: No, well, let's pump the brakes. Speaker B: Buckwheat flour. It's a very long buckwheat financier with quince. Speaker A: Yeah, there we go. It's a little, just a little pinch of quince on top. Speaker B: Yeah, we, the, $5 financiers. Yeah, $5 financier footlongs after 5. Speaker A: If we could do a whole— yeah, there's a lot to play with there. I mean, I saw, you know, I did see that Supreme, they're doing a soccer jersey and matching shorts that are the Fiji logo.

Speaker A: If we could do a whole— yeah, there's a lot to play with there. I mean, I saw, you know, I did see that Supreme, they're doing a soccer jersey and matching shorts that are the Fiji logo. Speaker B: Oh, that's nice. Speaker A: And I'm going to have the water. Yeah, I'm going to have to get the shorts. I've already talked to the powers that be. I need the shorts. Speaker B: What do you think about the people? I saw some people talking last week about the the Paris Is Burning Supreme hoodie.

Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker B: And some people were saying, you know, it's a little kind of stolen valor, you know, don't wear it. A lot of people are gonna be wearing this hoodie who have no idea what Paris Is Burning is or what it meant or stands for, whatever. There's gonna be some, you know, 13-year-old fat Jewish kid with Chrome Hearts belt wearing this hoodie 'cause it's Supreme. And then the other side of the internet was saying like, this is a great like down-low trade kind of, dog whistle to let people know that if you want, um, to suck my dick in the, in the back of this— no, you know, I think in the back of this Albertsons, I'm ready to go.

Speaker A: I think that it's, you know, the, the, the modern version of a whatever color bandana earring in the earring in the left ear. Speaker B: I think a subtle tell, as they say. Speaker A: I just think that Supreme does good business and and somebody that deserves to get paid a lot for allowing that to happen got paid a lot, and that's what actually matters. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, they did it the right— if there's like a foundation or a person— Speaker B: the Paris Is Burning estate was, was compensated correctly.

Speaker B: the Paris Is Burning estate was, was compensated correctly. Speaker A: Compensated. Speaker B: It's a good point. Very good point. Speaker A: They don't mess around. The money goes to the right place. Speaker B: Y'all can keep talking. I'm the one who's, you know, keeping the lights on over there. I'm the one who's paying for their kids' bills or whatever with this money. Speaker A: You know, I have all the Nan Golden stuff because nobody bought it, but it's so cool that they did it. Because it's like, I think that when you get to that point, it's like, if I want to do something, I think it's cool, I, I do it.

And I— that's what I think is so interesting, is that like, it should serve as like an education to people, but they're too dumb to care. So at least, at least the money goes to the right place and the heads can get it if they want it. That's how I kind of feel about it. Speaker B: Just like what Aritzia is doing with their photo series, just exposing young, new emerging arts. Speaker A: Exactly. Speaker B: Make sure that they get some exposure in the world. It's great. Speaker A: New emerging, but I think that when it's like actual counterculture shit, it's a different— like, I think there's actually a possibility of someone being like, what is Paris Is Burning?

Yeah, you know, and then they— I just don't think there's really a downside to it. Speaker B: I agree. Speaker A: You can get your dick— you can get your dick sucked at Albertsons and whoever owns the IP got paid. Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it being a download trade dog whistle is, is not a— no, there's no downside to that at all. It's a win-win for all parties involved. If you know what this is, you know what this means, And you want to suck, you know, it just made things that much easier.

Speaker A: And you want to suck. All right. How long gone? Thank you guys. Speaker B: In addition to all of that, you would like to suck as well. What a mitzvah, as they say. Speaker A: What a mitzvah. Thank you guys for coming on Thursday. Thank you to Purple and Stevie and Silencio and the addition and Lynn and, you know, DJ Harvey, everyone that helped out with the party. It was fun. Tom of Finland, of course. Thank you for my t-shirt. Speaker A: And you want to suck. All right.

How long gone? Thank you guys. Speaker B: In addition to all of that, you would like to suck as well. What a mitzvah, as they say. Speaker A: What a mitzvah. Thank you guys for coming on Thursday. Thank you to Purple and Stevie and Silencio and the addition and Lynn and, you know, DJ Harvey, everyone that helped out with the party. It was fun. Tom of Finland, of course. Thank you for my t-shirt. Speaker B: And Brooke. Speaker A: Oh, of course, Brooke, the real architect, the puppet master. Um, and that's it, I guess.

I'm gonna— shit, I'm gonna go get a backyard bowl, the first one. I haven't had an opportunity, time is not allowed. But then we're gonna shoot How Long Gone? Today Tomorrow, and we're shooting another— Speaker B: wait, is that the name? Is that what the name should be? Speaker A: How Long Gone? Speaker B: Make it even more of a mouthful. Speaker A: Today Tomorrow. And then we're gonna do something special with one of our friends, just kind of do a new segment. And then I go back to New York and then Jason and I are going to Paris together.

Speaker B: Oui, oui, motherfucker. If you're Paris trade, we'll be there 4th to the 7th. I guess more of the 5th to the 7th. 4th is more of a travel day for us. Speaker A: Same. Yeah. 5th to the 7th. Speaker B: We'll be there for 48 hours. Speaker A: Jason's first time in Paris, which I'm very excited to be a part of. Speaker B: My first time in Paris. My first time third row at Loewe. Shout out to our Loewe family for bringing us out. Speaker A: Yeah, we're going to the Lil Wavy show.

Uh, we've— they've been kind enough to invite us. And yeah, if, if they put us in the rafters, that's fine with me. Speaker B: Not me. Speaker A: I'm hanging. Speaker B: You put me in— you put me in the fucking rafters, I'm gonna start calling it Loey. Speaker A: Yeah, we're going to the Lil Wavy show. Uh, we've— they've been kind enough to invite us. And yeah, if, if they put us in the rafters, that's fine with me. Speaker B: Not me. Speaker A: I'm hanging. Speaker B: You put me in— you put me in the fucking rafters, I'm gonna start calling it Loey.

Speaker A: I swear to God, you fuck with me, I'll pronounce this shit wrong. I will do it. I will pronounce it wrong even though it makes me look stupid. It's a sign of disrespect. Speaker B: You think you low? You ain't low. Speaker A: You thought you were Lulu, but you ain't. Oh, all right. Uh, thank you for listening. com is the website. We're back next week. Speaker B: Call me Lou F-A-C-K up in this bitch, baby. Speaker A: Oh god damn it. Yeah, I'm Lou F-A-C-K in this bitch.

All right, thank you guys. Speaker B: If I wasn't a middle-aged man, that's definitely like, uh, my, my Twitter name would be changed to that for, you know, 3 months or something. Speaker A: It's really good. Thank you guys for listening. Uh, thank you to the city of Los Angeles for blessing me with sunlight, and, uh, we'll see you soon. Speaker B: Au revoir. Speaker A: Close your eyes and let the word paint a thousand pictures. One good girl is worth a thousand bitches. Speaker B: Bam, bam, bam. Uh-huh, honey.

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