Ep: 235 - Boys Club Live: Roasting Tech Stacks with Julia Rosenberg (Show Me Your Stack), Met Gala Recap with Blake Finucane, Biochar and Green Energy Bitcoin with Josh Phelps (Carbon Country)

[00:29] Here's this week's show. [00:31] you [00:33] Hi. Hello. How's it going? Virtual live stream. [00:39] virtual live stream here with Jules Rosenberg. I am Dina Burke and a pleasure to be with everyone here today. Jules in San Francisco, I assume? [00:51] Yep, back home in SF after a lovely little NYC rendezvous. [00:56] How was it? What'd you get up to? It was good. We launched Show Me Your Stack last week. So honestly, mostly just... [01:05] bopping around New York telling everyone about it, which is great. I have so much I want to chat with you about.

So, uh, Jules, for those who are new here is the co-host of, uh, [01:16] show me your stack which is our new boys club network show and we're gonna talk about that and episode one went out last week episode two is coming soon i want to chat with you i'll do a little teaser on that as well but how does it feel to be a media personality [01:34] Let's start with the basics. It's so funny because I obviously been working on the show for months now. And when you're in the thick of building this thing, you kind of forget about like some of the basic things.

[01:49] maybe downstream acts that are going to happen. I see. [01:55] You're just going to be plastered on the internet. [01:59] Um, [01:59] And... [02:02] I did make my first reel last week as well. It's a great reel. It's a great reel. [02:09] My sweet, sweet boyfriend was my content producer, creative director. He took on many roles. [02:19] Um... [02:20] So, yeah, we're here now. It's very, how does it feel like I have my own, I've gone through a journey with, um, [02:27] seeing my face, uh, [02:29] on a screen and on the internet and there's been times when it's been hard there's been times when it's been easy but it's definitely been like a [02:37] It's something to work through actively.

And I'm curious, um, [02:41] Some people don't have anything to work through and some people refuse to do it entirely. And so I'm curious, like where you are on that spectrum. [02:49] Okay, this is a great question. I actually have no issue with it. [02:53] And like seeing myself on screen, seeing myself talk. [02:58] Besides... [02:59] When I do ad reads, I... [03:02] It's very painful. I cannot watch that. [03:08] Why? What is it about the ad read that's different from the rest of what you're doing? [03:12] I think it's just – it's not – [03:14] me and maybe i just need to write my ad reads better so that like feels more natural to me yes um but i do feel like an a formal actress which i am not and [03:26] I think I need to get used to that part.

Like the scripted component to it is difficult. And I think the more I get into media, the more I realize that everything is scripted, even the most cash, silly, [03:39] little things. Um, [03:42] so I need to be better at the teleprompter. [03:48] Okay, on that note, actually, I want to start with our first ad read from Vercel, which is also... [03:55] Sponsoring Show Me Your Sack, they've been great partners so far. Not so far. They've been great partners. We love them. If you are a startup building with agents, look no further than Vercel.

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- I could genuinely talk about Vercel for days. [04:49] truly have used so many of their products. And I have been in the lab cooking with V0 [04:56] like nonstop the last few months. And I'm very grateful to be sponsored by them mostly because we get free credits. I know I use the free credit yesterday. And I will say we do have a couple that we have, um, [05:10] up our sleeves. So if you're listening and you are wanting to play around with Rissell, get in touch while supplies last. I can't, I can't promise this indefinitely, but we do have some credits that I am authorized to give out.

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But before that, let's talk about, um, [06:02] Episode two. [06:03] which is coming out. [06:06] next week. Who was our guest? Okay. Our guest next week is named Farza at Farza TV on Twitter. And Farza is one of these amazing sort of build in public [06:21] serial hackers. He previously founded a company called BuildSpace, which was this interesting sort of media IRL [06:29] community project um and i think the thing that he took most from that experience was just the media training of it all almost he built out some really cool launch videos a lot of like founder first marketing um and he has very much extended that into his side projects and new project that he's working on called clicky which you've probably seen

[06:52] Somewhere on Twitter, he keeps blowing up the timeline on it. [06:56] Or Instagram. I saw he just went super viral on Instagram for for and it had like almost a million views for tech content on Instagram. [07:05] Instagram, that's reached escape velocity in a way that you rarely see. [07:11] It's amazing. And he actually talked a lot about it in our episode of like what his process is around content creation. And he has like a very strict approach. [07:20] science around it. Like, like we were sort of saying before, um, a lot of media that you see online feels very natural and unscripted, but behind the scenes, there's so much work that's [07:36] And I think he does like an amazing job in like setting himself up for success in the way that he structures his content.

So a lot of cool insights, even on the content side of it, which I really like. I can't wait to watch. Okay, so that comes out next Friday. So stay tuned there. In the meantime, you have built a very fun thing in the spirit of the show, which is called... [08:01] Rate My Sack [08:03] Is your stack whack or cracked? [08:06] Talk us through what's happening here. [08:09] Okay. So throughout the show, obviously we are investigating everyone's tech stacks, which is the tools and workflows that people have on their computer.

I have... [08:21] somehow become a stack expert through this process. [08:25] Like I have obviously become a stack expert through this process. I know basically every IDE under the sun now. I know every browser that everyone's using. I know the tools. And so I thought this was a funny concept of... [08:42] Okay, here, let's take a very simple, like, [08:48] unified screenshot of everyone's computer which is the dock what you have open on your computer what are you using and are you behind the times [08:57] or is it kind of impressive?

And so basically I live coded this website, is your stack, whack or cracked with V0? [09:08] And you take a screenshot of your doc, you upload it, and then this cute little AI that I trained judges that stack based on criteria I have set as the [09:20] Stack Expert, my new title. And then... [09:26] A Julesified AI roasts your stack and tells you if you are whack, mid or cracked. Okay. Okay. So I want to do it live. [09:36] I, [09:37] I'm excited for the Jules perspective on my stack. I have to figure out how to screenshot here while I'm in a live stream environment, but I think it's gonna work.

I think what I love about the doc is that at first it felt unfair because... [09:54] I, I, [09:55] I'm like, this is not a reflection. I'm so much more than my doc. [10:01] But I will say what is fair about the doc is that it does force people. [10:06] it to be something that is open on on [10:09] your [10:10] an application that's open. So it would have been easier to like, it may be that my applications list [10:18] in Finder would have been more diverse and perhaps would have reflected a more exciting version of me.

But this actually is the truer representation of what [10:28] My sec actually is. [10:30] Right. No. Was that it? Was that an intentional decision? [10:33] We accept that. And I totally believe as your friend that your stack is more impressive than your doc reveals. I know. Well, let's see. It's a hard thing because it's working. It's analyzing. It's analyzing. It's cooking. [10:50] It is hard though, because a lot of applications you are accessing through the browser. So you are immediately at a loss from that. [10:56] Hmm. Oh, OK. So for people who are just listening, I got a wax sack.

My score was 30. [11:09] And it seems as though what pulled me down was, um, [11:15] Finder, which I object to. [11:18] To that being whack, I use Finder all the time and it's so useful and I have some shortcuts set up. So I object there. [11:28] Okay. And then I have a raycast or just like a search, some more advanced search. Oh, wait, say more. I don't know. I don't know about that. [11:38] So there's a bunch of other tools that you can download basically that are a more intelligent search experience of Finder that have like shortcuts and like an infinite copy paste history, things like that.

Okay. What's it called? [11:54] Raycast, I believe. Well, I guess it is whack then that I'm using Finder because I didn't know [12:00] That there was even a more evolved version available for. But so you get points for building out your own skills within Finder. [12:10] Okay, great, great, great. So a couple bonus points tacked on here. I will say my other WAC app here is Calendar, which I don't use. I actually don't even know. [12:20] I love you. [12:22] Um... [12:23] I don't see it, but all that to say that I don't use calendar as an application and that would be.

I agree. Okay, great. I'm so aligned. [12:32] Yeah. [12:34] There was a tough, when I was thinking about the qualitativeness, the qualitative rating on some of these is like, for example, Slack. [12:43] Is that whack, mid, or cracked, in your opinion? I think it's mid. I got some points for having Slack. It seems like you landed on it being cracked. [12:55] Which... [12:56] is compliment cracked [12:58] parentheses, complementary. The most cracked communication form. [13:04] Uh, signal, I would say. Oh, good point. Good point. Yeah. I would say I'm message and signal.

[13:11] What do you use? Just messages, some texts. [13:16] I message. [13:17] I love that. [13:19] I love that. What does your stack look like? [13:23] Should I do a little? Let's do it. [13:26] Um... [13:27] Thank you. [13:28] Actually, yeah, if you can text me, if you can drop your screenshot in Slack or iMessage, then I can put it in. [13:37] Perfect. [13:38] Thank you. [13:38] Okay, let me actually want to take a screenshot of this because I'm going to tweet this. [13:43] Thank you. [13:44] And I am happy that I had my terminal up because that does make me look like a real...

[13:50] Thank you. [13:50] Dev. Huge points. [13:52] Total points, total points for that. You get a lot of points for that. [13:57] And also you had Cloud Code open, or you had Cloud the desktop app open. Yeah. [14:03] Yeah, constant. That's a constant... [14:05] She's a constant figure in my life at this point. [14:09] Okay. Um, [14:11] Claude Code. [14:12] I do, yeah. [14:14] Oh, through terminal? [14:16] Yeah, I don't cloud code through terminal code. [14:20] But I'm cloud coding. Sometimes I have to pop into terminal for various things. [14:25] but you're cloud coding through the cloud desktop app.

Yeah. [14:29] I know the more cracks version is people who use cloud code in terminal, but I'm not there yet. [14:34] But see, even that nuance is huge. [14:37] Right. Because a lot of people are just in the cloud app [14:40] straight chatting. There's not much else happening there. So again, [14:44] I think we boost your score to like, [14:47] I think you get at least like 20 to 30 more points for what you do. Thank you. Thank you. Some bonus points. I appreciate that. Okay. I'm uploading your, your doc here.

Let's see. [14:58] From the stack queen. [15:00] what's the score going to reveal... [15:06] mid [15:08] She had a good talk. [15:09] That feels rigged. Okay. Tell me about what we have down here. [15:14] Okay. [15:15] I think that I'm getting additional points for Figma, which... [15:20] Figma has been a hot topic recently since Claude... [15:25] came out with some very [15:27] very impressive design tools, people have sort of been coming at Figma. [15:33] It's still like the go-to thing. [15:36] uh, [15:37] design app. So if you are still... [15:42] making things yourself and Figma, I think you get points for that rather than just AI slop generation.

[15:47] Mm-hmm. [15:48] I think one password you get. Anyone who was using a password manager, you get notes. The amount of people who are still using their [15:57] their 12th grade pass password eliminated. Mm hmm. Totally, totally. [16:06] I totally agree. [16:10] I also think that notes, [16:12] This was a bias. This was a Jules bias. I think the Notes app is extremely correct. [16:17] Okay, say more. [16:20] I think it sort of falls into this like bell curve meme of that the midwits are using all these like extreme... [16:28] like Evernote that's like connected to their Twitter feed, that's connected to all these things.

And then on either end of the midwit, [16:38] bell curve is Apple notes. [16:41] It's just the simplest thing. Like here's, here's a lesson that I take from Apple notes, which I, um, I think is an important lesson and can sometimes be a hard one when, when, [16:51] So you're in an organization, when you're working on a team, when you join a company, they're always like, here's our list of productivity tools that we use, the Trellos, the blah, blah, blah, the notion, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

[17:04] At first, that can be really exciting because you're like, oh, this is going to solve all my problems because all the reasons that my my team or my project or me, the reason I'm underperforming is because I have all these issues with my workflow and or with my note taking it. And. [17:22] My experience is, and I hate Notion for the record. Like, I absolutely cannot stand it. That's what I'm saying. [17:30] Every time someone tries to get me to use it, I'm like, I'm so sorry, but that's not going to happen.

[17:36] It's what? [17:37] A doc's junkyard. [17:39] Yeah, totally. Totally. And then I think [17:42] What you quickly become present to is how... [17:47] 95% of... [17:49] a productivity act [17:52] of a productivity app working and it feeling like magic is someone routinely going back to it and using it and like actually using it is, [18:02] is so much of the work and so much of where it does work. And I feel like notes app speaks to the reason why [18:11] it's so great and I use it all the time is because I use it all the time and it's there and it's easy to access and like I'm constantly in it and like it's very active.

And I feel like that is a lesson out there for folks who are [18:25] trying to build like to do apps and stuff like that. It's like, it's so fun and shiny at first. [18:30] but you never go back to it. And so then it's useless. [18:33] So the TLDR of what you just said is the more you nurture it, [18:39] the better it grows. [18:41] There it is. So that's our notes. I love letters and notes app. [18:46] You have... [18:48] I can't see what else you have in your stack here.

Wait, click on the detailed section. [18:53] Let's see what the roast is. [18:56] Thank you. [18:57] at the oh i missed this in my last one okay this doc screams my creativity peaked in college figma that's cute but lacking ai dreams oh no no fair rose that's totally fair [19:13] Oh, Slack, congratulations. You're officially a corporate drone. True more words. [19:18] Sure words. I love this. I think the algorithm needs a little bit of tweaking based on our conversation today. [19:27] Thank you. [19:29] Yeah, I. [19:30] I feel like there could maybe be a way to – [19:33] to score some bonus points.

[19:37] Yeah, post assignment. [19:39] I agree. [19:40] I think you should be able to also contest your score. Yeah, I think so, too. Okay, well, Jules, always a pleasure to chat. I'm going to drop the link for anyone. You guys should all be roasting or rather rating your own sacks. I want to see everyone's sack. [19:57] selfishly. So we're going to drop this in the chat and I'll put it up on Twitter. Please tag me and Jules in all your stacks so we can... [20:07] Thank you. [20:08] So that we can roast.

[20:09] Real-time, real-time roasts. [20:11] Put yourself out there. Time to get roasted. Totally. [20:16] Jules. [20:17] so fun and we'll see you soon [20:21] Thanks for having me. Okay. Talk soon. [20:23] Bye. [20:25] And [20:27] Kate. [20:28] Hi. Hi. How you doing? How's my mic? Mic check, mic check. It took me forever to find these wired headphones. I have so many. Yeah, it sounds... [20:37] Sounds fine. So go, go one more time. [20:40] Test, test, test, test. Yeah. A little clicky. [20:44] A little clicky. It's because the wire is like hanging straight over my keyboard.

So I keep having to. [20:51] swipe it to the side. No worries. It's nice to see you. Jules is just the best. Before we bring Blake on to do a little Met Gala recap, I am going to... [21:05] Do a quick shout out. [21:07] to Octant. [21:09] We love Octant. We love Octant. [21:13] We have a QR code for you to scan if you want to learn more. [21:18] Check them out. They have a creator program that is going to be launching soon. And I encourage everyone who is a creator or content creator to check that out and apply.

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[22:41] She should be a newsletter subscriber because we got stuff like that all the time. [22:45] So subscribe if you know. Please subscribe. Please subscribe is kind of a weird way to say subscribe. Subscribe. Thank you so much. I do want to say, Kate, Kate, you have been encouraging me to do more. [23:01] Um, [23:02] promotion of the newsletter and personal brand promotion. We need it from the author's POV. People need to know that it's your... [23:11] beautiful brain behind that newsletter. Everyone loves it so much. [23:16] That's so kind.

And I do think that that's a fair note that the writer needs to be. [23:23] needs to be getting themselves out there. So I'm going to be getting myself... [23:26] myself out there more. I think this is my... [23:29] I'm coming out and I'm saying it. [23:31] I love it. I will always encourage it. You got to climb a mountain to get to Viral Valley. You're the best at that. Okay, let's talk Met Gala because I know we have a lot that we want to chat about. [23:43] beautiful blake up on stage here blake hi oh okay i was wondering about my background and it's a look and well wait we're gonna adjust um here we go let's see very already very already background i know i know as is yours though in the best way um i actually wanted to get both of your opinions i have um [24:09] I think what I'm going to do, this is so boring for probably everyone, but I think I've been watching.

OK, so I'm really addicted to this history podcast where it's these two older British guys and it's called The Rest is History. And I've talked about it every basically every single episode that we've had in the past couple weeks whenever I'm on. And anyway, I've been studying their history. [24:30] backgrounds, they're very professional podcasters, they both have bookcases in their backgrounds. [24:36] It's all about the bookcase. It's all about the bookcase. And the curated bookcase. [24:41] Yes. So I've been on Facebook Marketplace. I have a couple of bookcase options. I might be sending you some links.

Send me pics. I will. I will say that like they're historians, though. So like books and a bookcase does land in that context. And I just don't know, like, I certainly am. [25:01] Like, you know, I just don't know for our category what's the best – [25:04] The Bitcoin standard. [25:06] Yeah, it's the white paper. [25:12] That would hit. Yeah. You should do it. [25:15] Anyway, that's an aside. Blake, welcome to the show. If you don't know Blake, she is the best and she is an art historian and also an expert on crypto and digital technology and NFT and art and how those two worlds combine and is doing incredible work on TikTok lately.

Well, always, but lately it's been amazing. [25:36] Lately, finally, people are seeing it. Exactly, exactly. And I am starting to appreciate... [25:43] your wisdom and takes, which I'm so happy to see. And like, we've had a few viral hits. And like, I'm just every time I see it, I'm like, man, I love it. [25:52] I love it. I'm so happy for you. [25:54] Thank you. It's crazy that, um, [25:57] it's it's this that people are that that's taking off so I guess we run with it you know it's not crazy at all this is your lane this is your lane yeah

[26:06] Totally. So the reason they're knowledgeable on fashion, very knowledgeable on art, I'm [26:12] Come on. It's it's perfect. OK, so take it away. Tell us about what you've been reporting on. And we have an incredible visual on stage here, too. I know, Kate, we want to do some ranking of the Met Gala, but give us first an overview of what's been happening. [26:26] Yeah, I mean, I guess what's fascinating to me is like, [26:30] How I would describe generally this Met Gala is it's been like a PR crisis, both for the Met and for Vogue.

[26:38] Obviously, we all know. [26:40] Bezos and his wife, Lauren Sanchez Bezos, are sponsoring it. There she is. And when Donnie came out a couple of weeks ago, said he's not going to attend. [26:53] There's been protests. Again, I don't know if, you know, Kate, in New York, you've seen these protests. [27:00] Posters that are on the... [27:02] on the screen right now, but from... [27:05] God, [27:06] No. [27:07] Well, I don't leave my apartment. Fair enough. He's grinding all day. So she's not seeing it. But you know what? I am because I'm just on my phone.

So I've been seeing it. People are putting posters up all over. They're really focused on... [27:22] his ties to ICE and Amazon's ties to ICE, as well as Amazon worker conditions. [27:28] really highlighting that. What's also been fascinating is the CEO of The Met, the head of the Costume Institute, Andrew Bolton, they both came out basically on the day of The Met in very high profile publications, CNN, The New York Times saying like basically actively distancing themselves [27:47] from [27:48] The Bezos... [27:49] couple. So Anna Wintour came out on the like the first moment of the live stream basically reiterating this creates jobs.

This is an economic boon for New York City. So really, I'm sure the crisis management people are having like the best days of their lives like this is perfect for them. So [28:09] It's been really fascinating to see even just like all my TikToks and on YouTube shorts, like... [28:16] People have a lot to say about Bezos in a way that I've never seen the comments before. Have you been getting like hateful comments on your posts because you've been covering the Met Gala? [28:29] I've never seen them. [28:30] She responds like a queen.

I do respond a lot because... And I'm... [28:36] Thank you. [28:36] You know who I'm going to bring up? Gary Vee says you have to respond to most comments. Boom. There we go. Shout out, Gary Vee. And I know that I was the guest on your first ever podcast, and they brought him up. So it's beautiful. It's a full circle. And I'm sorry to derail, and Gary will get – I just – [28:52] that is what he told me to do. If Gary says to do it, then I got to do it.

And so yeah, I've been getting it's more it's not really to me. Although some people are like, you know, nothing can be interesting and nothing can be radical if it's at this Met Gala. So critiquing some of the fashion choices. Oh, this is an interesting point. Oh, this is powerful. Some [29:17] nothing's powerful in this context because I see more so and then just like eat the rich kind of thing is what a lot of the sentiment is. [29:27] Thank you. [29:27] I see. And, uh, [29:30] that as the background.

[29:32] And then the actual Met Gala itself. So the theme... [29:36] Tell us about the theme and then how it relates to what we're going to be seeing. [29:41] Mm-hmm. [29:41] Yeah, so basically the theme in terms of the actual Met Gala was fashion as art, and then the actual... [29:50] show itself is about how fashion interacts with the body. So they were kind of like, [29:56] a little bit, [29:57] There was some, like, dissonance around it, like some asymmetry. So also people were in my comments being like, well, this isn't about the body.

This is just about art. No one knows the theme. And I'm obviously... [30:09] emphasis my own with those accents that I just did. But because people always confuse the theme versus the dress code and the theme was costume art and the dress code was fashion is art and that pertained to the body. [30:25] and how it's to you personally. [30:28] Can you tell me about the difference between the two? [30:31] Thank you. [30:32] I just I basically saw it as like Kate jumped in. I basically saw it like I read it like, OK, [30:39] make fashion art, so to speak, like reference art.

I mean, we're at the Met Gala. That's why I loved a lot of the pieces that they were actually referencing pieces [30:47] inside the Met. So I really, really appreciated that versus the actual [30:54] exhibition itself, which was more, there was a whole section on differing abilities and different types of bodies that might not be, you know... [31:06] like, [31:07] fully able bodies, things like that. So there was more like, [31:12] It was more, I guess, in relation to the body and how it interacts. When I saw the actual theme is just like, [31:18] how does it reference art?

We're at the Met Gala. This is like the most important art gallery in the world, you know? [31:23] Yeah, I can even read [31:25] on the Mets Museum. On the Mets... [31:29] website. [31:30] It breaks it all down. [31:31] And so it says the gala dress code will be fashion is art, inviting guests to express their own relationship to fashion as an embodied art form and celebrate the countless depictions of the dress body throughout art history. [31:43] And so it's like, [31:45] how it pertains to you, how it pertains to the shape, your body or your self.

[31:51] So, and then it's interpretation from there. [31:55] As we've seen in the looks. Yeah, we sure have. [32:00] And then, so if we're ranking these, [32:03] I would say [32:05] S tier is fully understood the assignment and put effort. [32:09] into that [32:11] That's how I view it. Now you tell me if you have a different grading system, because sure, you could be on theme, but if it feels like lazy, you know, [32:19] then I'm not about it. [32:21] So I'm like S tier, top tier is... [32:25] You understood the assignment.

You followed the dress code. You played with the theme and you put a lot of effort into it. [32:34] 100% way. Then like F tier at the bottom, you failed, is you just threw on a look that maybe... [32:41] followed the dress code or didn't but you're like okay what is this you gave us nothing [32:47] I totally agree. And it's like, I think you have to start with the theme and go backwards versus start with the dress, start with the look and be like, how can I make this fit the theme?

[32:57] Exactly. So many people make that mistake. [32:59] Wow, we should be stylists. I mean, and I wore this camel hoodie for you as well, Kate. [33:06] And I wore my fur wrestling tee for you. Yeah. [33:09] I love that. Okay, so let's actually rank these looks. Who do we got here? And let's let it rip. I genuinely... [33:18] This is an example I gave. We're going to start off with what I see as an example is a SEER. [33:24] And then what I see example is F tier, just so you know the range.

[33:27] So in my mind, Emma Chamberlain, who we see here for the listener, is wearing a custom Mugler, like, [33:35] paint, physically painted on dress. They painted this dress. Obviously, it took a couple days to, like, set and... [33:43] you know, make breathable, but [33:45] It is gorgeous. You can see the physical brushstrokes on the dress, the fabric at the top. [33:51] um like all the way across and it has like tassels on the sleeves that are also like [33:56] ombre paint down and there's a bunch of beautiful colors so i don't know if blake you want to add some if there's some hundred history to it [34:05] Yeah, I mean, I know that it's referencing Van Gogh, particularly Starry Night, and then like some of his paintings around the wheat field.

So basically just his brushstrokes. But yeah, I think this is, I really think Emma Chamberlain... [34:17] rarely misses. She has some of the best taste and like styling. [34:23] out there so this is perfect and it's like exactly in line to me with what she always does [34:29] Gorgeous. [34:30] Now this, [34:32] Oh, oh, oh. [34:34] I have a laugh. What? [34:35] cool. [34:37] Oh, there it is. Okay, it's showing up for me. Yeah. [34:39] Zach Posen? Is that... Oh, yeah. Yeah. [34:42] Zach Rosen, who is the creative director. Sorry, my guy.

[34:45] Thank you. [34:47] Sorry, he missed for me. [34:50] It's. [34:50] He showed up in... [34:52] what looks like he's going to Dime Square. And it's just, I don't know, it looks like black jeans and a denim jacket that has some like metallic vibes to it. [35:01] He looks like he's about to sing a country song on stage. I like the outfit, but for the Met, it just fell flat for me. Now I could be losing all the context in the world. I don't know. [35:13] what the reference is, Blake, please enlighten me.

[35:17] I also have no idea what the reference is. And, like, I love Zach Poston so much. What he's done with Gap. He's the creative director of Gap and Old Navy. He's completely revamped that brand. I even think... Oh, he's definitely wearing... [35:31] Wearing Gap. Yeah. He's wearing Gap. He's talking. But but Kendall Jenner is that was the Gap person this year and she absolutely nailed it. And that's Zach doing that. So I don't know. I mean, my only thought is maybe it was an afterthought because he was focused on.

[35:49] the star and dressing them [35:51] But this was and that gap as well could have done so much with this look like this is such incredible PR and promotion for them. So, yes, and I love them. And yeah, I don't know what was happening here. [36:03] So sorry, putting him in an F tier here, but [36:06] I wish I had an example of Jimmy Butler. I forgot to pull that image, but he wore like an aloe suit, like what looks like a tux almost. And it was aloe. And that's so funny to me.

I'm like, great. Perfect. Did I love the suit itself? Not necessarily, but what a great brand for me. [36:25] a moment for a brand to stand out. [36:29] Okay, here we go. We're going to rapid fire some of these. You can give some context to Madonna's look. [36:35] I think this is... [36:37] Whatever you think of Madonna, I mean, this is absolutely S tier. She 100% nailed this. I was not ready to tell you that Madonna was one of my favorite looks at the Met Gala, but here we are. She referenced Lenora Carrington, who was a surrealist painter, really, really always overshadowed by like, [36:55] Dali, Picasso, all the big heavy hitters, and now she's actually the highest selling

[37:02] surrealist painter of all time and beat [37:04] all her male peers at that time so that's very exciting i love this look she absolutely nailed it it's also like madonna so like it's perfect very yeah [37:14] Great stuff. I would also put it in S tier just for creativity. [37:18] Okay, how do we feel about this one? You want to give the arch reference? [37:22] or just give a description for the listeners. [37:25] Yeah, so this is [37:28] This is Victory. I believe this is in the Louvre. I have many photos with this.

This is in the Louvre. I saw her recently. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is a Greek statue. Yeah. [37:40] I think it's, you know, it makes sense. [37:44] She nailed the beat. [37:45] I have zero fashion or art credibility to be able to speak into this conversation, really, so just wading in here. But I will say my criticism on this is that it's not closely enough of a – [37:57] It's too abstract of a reference. She has a wing character. [38:01] on her, [38:02] dress. [38:03] So it's a stretch for me personally.

[38:07] That's fair. [38:09] So where are you ranking it? [38:13] Blake. [38:13] I would do like, I mean, you know, I skew more towards, you know, [38:18] higher rankings. You know what I mean? And like, I also understand we're talking about like literally the most beautiful, perfect women like in the history of the world. So like all these women are literally the most stunning human beings I've ever seen. I would rank it AB, you know, B plus. [38:35] Okay, I'd give it a B plus two. [38:38] Yeah. [38:38] Nice. That's fair.

[38:41] So [38:42] This is my favorite of the entire series. [38:46] show. This is Amy Sherald, who's one of the most important American painters working today. She came as her own painting. I don't think you can get more iconic than this. I don't think that, you know, no one can do this because no one, there's very few people in the world who are the most important artists working today. So she did something only she could do. And just for those who may recognize the kind of style, she painted Michelle Obama's official portrait, [39:16] where you might have come across her if you're not super in the art world.

So this is my favorite look because it's unique and no one else could do it. And fashion is art. She made herself the subject. She is the artwork. She creates the artwork. I don't think there's anything better than this. [39:34] Esther. [39:35] S tier, absolutely. We lost Kate for a second, but can you speak more to some of the other work that she's done? [39:42] Yeah, so basically what she does is she takes subjects, so she always does like skin in this like muted gray and then surrounds everything else with color.

This piece is very classical of her style. And she's very classic. [40:00] She really, like... [40:02] I would say takes a [40:04] normal person, so to speak, and just elevates them to, like, they are the most important thing in the entire world. She honors them. They're always so beautifully done. [40:18] I just think the focus on humanity is incredible. I truly think like, [40:25] like she is so so so incredible um if you haven't seen the michelle obama portrait it's amazing um and uh she always focus on focuses on black subjects um oftentimes like in her community or or you know these are always like real people so um there's just like such a humanness to it yeah so i i really love her for that the other person i would bring up in terms of making [40:55] is Venus Williams, who I love and have loved forever since she stepped on the court.

She made herself the subject as well, and she dressed as her portrait in the National Portrait Gallery. [41:10] Oh, that's what it was. [41:12] I'm trying to find her, um, image. This little, um, necklace was based on the Wimbledon trophy, which of course she has won. I was like, no one else could do that either. And like, and she's also a tall, you know, she's over six feet and, you know, I love a woman that's over six feet. So, um... [41:30] I loved her look as well for that. Again, there's no one else that could do that because...

[41:40] She's like, tell me another person that's a Wimbledon, but well, besides her sister, who was also there. This is a reference to her official portrait at the gallery. So gorgeous. [41:50] love that too because no one else could do that and literally the body is art because like she is the artwork so yeah there you go [41:59] There it is. - Yep. [42:00] There is this one that you made the reference to that people were – [42:04] People were clowning. [42:06] People were clowning saying, "Oh girl, you missed the assignment."

And you're like, "Do you not understand?" Now, the shape of the dress could be said for something because this could have been done in a totally different gown. [42:19] But... [42:20] So that's where my critique lies. [42:23] Yeah. And I mean, it does look kind of off the rack. You know what I mean? It looks like we could go to a store and buy this like right now. So who is this? And sorry, just for the listener. [42:34] So this is a reference to a Hungarian artist who's the father of op art, like optical illusion, like optical art.

And what we're looking at are a bunch of circles and squares and her dress. Who is that? [42:52] I can't see. Vassarelli is the artist. The dress. Who is the dress? I did a video on this. I should know. [42:58] You sure did. You should have took notes. And I really did. I do have, I'll get it up. [43:05] But basically what I think, like, I think this is, like, a wild risk because, like, doing, like, an optical dress, there's so much, like, more, of course, that you could have done.

Like, you could have done, like, 3D stuff or it could have been. I love the reference because it's such, like, a wild niche reference to do, like, a Hungarian French, like, fashion. [43:24] artists from the 60s that like very few people know about um but the execution was tough [43:31] - Right, and this is when in my ranking system, [43:34] I'm going to give it a D only because you followed theme, but it feels like you didn't put much effort into it. [43:41] making it super creative. [43:43] the execution like you said just isn't there for me [43:46] Didn't stake the landing.

[43:48] Right. [43:49] And I would give it like a C plus. [43:53] Fair. Okay. I don't know how much time we have, Dina. Let's keep going. Let's keep going. This is fascinating. I want to run through them. [44:00] Okay, here we have beautiful gown, like mermaid style. And we have like, for someone who has no art context or anything, it's just what looks like metal robot hands in different areas of the dress, like cupping the hip, cupping the like lower thigh, cupping the shoulders or clavicle. And they had movement to them as well, these like silver robot hands.

[44:26] And so now I'll pass off to Blake for the art reference. [44:29] Which is crazy. There was a lot of hands going on. There was, like, a lot of, like, cupping of things, you know, with the whole time. That was, like, a theme. But, yes, this is, I would say, one of the most iconic things. [44:42] images in all of Western art. [44:44] This is on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, the creation of man by Michelangelo. [44:51] So again, I'm like, [44:54] and [44:55] To me, the dress was like cool.

And then they kind of were just like, what can we do with hands? And then they made it this. I don't know if it's like, so I think the dress is unreal. And like the robotic. [45:07] aspects of it do I think that it's like a very literal translation I'm not too sure um but I love the dress so [45:15] And it's unique and different, and obviously the robot aspect, you know. [45:20] I mean, just a minor quibble from me, but, like, I would have put the hands, like, at least directionally.

Exactly. Like, give me a shoulder strap that's like this. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [45:34] Come on. Yeah, just a quick... [45:38] Yeah, so I think this reference was a stretch. I think they just got the dress and were like, oh, what can we kind of like make this like? There you go. [45:46] That's what it was. [45:48] Alright, we'll do some coupled rapid fire moments. [45:53] Okay, here we're showing Kim Kardashian looking like iPhone 17. [45:58] She's in like a corset. [46:01] Very cyber corset, um, [46:05] But no pants. No pants look.

And she has, like, a train behind her. This image doesn't really show it. But it's just... [46:11] Orange. [46:13] And I'm not sure what the references as far as art next to her. We have two images on the screen now. Then we have Lauren Sanchez. [46:23] who was honorary co-chair [46:26] looking like she got her dress on Amazon [46:30] just very off the rack ball gown, mother-in-law at the wedding. [46:35] So Blake, take it away. [46:37] Yeah, I mean, I totally agree. Listen, I'm a Kim. I'm actually like I've got I'm wearing like I have my full sweatsuit on all the times my skin sweatsuit.

So I'm a huge fan. [46:51] Kim Phan, this, yeah, wasn't it for me. I always expect a lot from her. She's referencing, so she actually like flew, there's like a 60s pop artist, Peter Allen, Allen Jones, Allen Jones, who... [47:09] is famous for these bodysuits and basically they like grafted this is a like an original model from the 60s [47:15] and they fit it on her. What I like is that, like, [47:19] the artist, like, came out and she, like, worked for the artist, like, worked with the artist directly around this.

That's cool. Do I think that, like, she said in the interview, like, my favorite artist, like, [47:30] Alan Jones, I'm like, I just, I'm not sure about that, my sweet kid. [47:34] You know, and then Lauren Sanchez, obviously, like she worked with Law Roach and like Law is so famous for doing like biographical styling or like very like referential styling. So I was really surprised that he chose this. Obviously, like Lauren bought out Schiaparelli. There was no one else wearing Schiaparelli at the entire Met. And this is actually referenced to a John Singer Sargent painting that's in the Met, which I do love.

[47:59] unfortunately. And basically, it's called Madame X. It's about like a woman scorned. So there was like this biographical reading, I think, like for most people, it fell flat. [48:12] Because it's like, I mean, you know, if you're worth hundreds of billions of dollars, like... [48:20] a woman scorned is not like an interesting thing that most people want to talk about so i'm not sure i want to pause here because i did not know that this was a direct reference to this painting well i didn't know this painting so now i know both those things yeah and i will say like it's pretty um once we showed on screen [48:39] here, it, [48:41] It's a pretty...

[48:42] Tight. [48:44] Yes. [48:45] It really is. [48:47] It really is. [48:48] Basically, she didn't wear it like the painting, though. No, she didn't. Fit it to where it falls the same way. [48:57] Mm-hmm. [48:58] That's why you can't see the reference because you're not fitting the dress to even see the reference. [49:05] Yeah. And I mean, it's like, you know, this was like a scandal at the time because it was so like the skin was showing in such an extreme way and the woman's like sexuality was on display. [49:18] um obviously yeah look at it offensive you know barely you know but like yeah that's good [49:26] That's good context.

It is good context. Because she's letting it hang out. She's like, hey, you're the girl. [49:31] She loves one single silhouette and it's a deep V. And listen, I love a deep V too. You know what I mean? So I respect the commitment to it. Obviously, yeah, that's her one silhouette. She loves it. She sticks with it. And so I was just like really surprised that she, that it was like beautiful. [49:51] very muted and toned down with that reference. I get in the context of how [49:57] the backlash and everything, this might have actually been the best choice.

And to do something more crazy actually could have resulted in a bigger issue. [50:06] So in a lot of ways, I'm like, oh, yeah, it's better that she got, like, scorned for – [50:12] doing something too simple and basic versus doing something too over the top, considering what was happening. [50:17] That's totally fair. [50:19] You know what? Great. [50:20] Great thought there. [50:21] Mm-hmm. [50:22] You're like, I'd rather not be in the limelight because I'm in the limelight. [50:27] Now, was that intentional? I don't know. But I think like when I think of like how La Roche does it, I'm like...

[50:34] He's the best at what he does, like, ever. So... [50:39] I feel like this in a lot of ways was like a good choice because people are like, it's just like so bad. And it's like, that's all you can really say about it as opposed to like that. It's, [50:49] Thank you. [50:50] Yeah. Okay, so where are you ranking them? I'm giving Kim K iPhone 17 a... [50:58] see because I do like how she actually worked with an artist who sculpted it. There's like a cool reference. I do think the color looks great on her with her spray tan and the blonde hair, but hey.