#2517 - Taylor Sheridan

[00:00] the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day what's happening what's up buddy it's a hell of a fucking belt buckle what is that [00:17] What is that? What's going on there? So this one is for a horse I have called Maverick Buzz the Tower that won reserve at the Futurity. [00:25] And they give you a bell buckle if you win? [00:27] A belt buckle and money. That's a dope belt buckle. Expensive belt buckle. So guys like you that understand horses, if you saw someone with one of those, you would know exactly what that is right away.

[00:37] Oh, yeah. And the year. Depending on the year, I'm going to know the horse. [00:42] It's like you in fighters. Wow. It's like you in fighters. I guess. I guess it's probably similar. Yeah. Oh, that guy won the thing in 2012. He fought so-and-so, and that's the same with me and horses. It's always so interesting to me how there's these different sort of categories of interests that people have that, you know, one person might not know anything. I don't know anything about horses. But you're like... [01:01] fucking balls deep.

You know, everything about horses. It's crazy. It's such an interesting, like, pool of knowledge, the people that are really into horses. And they start explaining. Oh, this is not as simple as... [01:16] Oh, that's a horse and that's a horse, too. Like, there's genetic lines and there's certain tendencies that certain horses actually pass on to their offspring. Oh, yeah. That's crazy stuff. There's a stallion. [01:28] And I really like him. I've got a number of horses by this day, and his name's Spook's Got a Whiz. And they're just incredibly balanced, real feely, very, very quick-footed, big stoppers.

But they see dead people. They see ghosts. So, like, once every three months? For no reason, this thing's going to fucking check out. [01:48] And I mean check out. Just decide, it's not safe here. We're going back to the bar and you can come with me or I'm going to buck your ass off or I'm going to flip over. No, he just loses his mind. Whoa. And you never know when it's going to happen. And his children have this as well? Yeah. Whoa. Just a little quirk. But other than that, they're getting automatic.

That's a big quirk. That's like if you have a Corvette and it decides to drive home. Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. Most of the time, you can go to the store. We all deal with it because they're worth it. I guess. [02:18] That seems so crazy. The horse, do you really think it sees ghosts? [02:23] I don't know what he sees. Some kind of boogeyman. A lot of them are deaf. Really? Yeah. Why? Well, there's a gene. Typically, if you see a horse with a white face and the white goes above the eyes...

[02:38] Typically, that horse is deaf. Wow. And so they can't hear. [02:43] but they can feel the vibrations. So, like... [02:46] That could set one of those horses off. Just anything pounding on the ground that might be something chasing it. Yeah, I mean, they're prey animals. Right, right, right. [02:55] Wow, the deaf thing's crazy. I wonder if that has any sort of an advantage where they can sort of tune out distractions. [03:04] I would imagine if a horse is at a rodeo... Yes, 100%. Because this crowd's screaming and yelling. It's not going to bother them.

Now, if they start stomping their feet, I was going to show this one horse of mine, and I'm about to run in the pen, and [03:18] All these guys are cheering for this Italian rider, and they're all beating on the side of the arena. Oh. And my horse checked the fuck out. [03:28] He checked the fuck out. He's like a whole herd of elephants. Oh, yeah. Wow. I can imagine how weird that is for the horse. Yeah. Like, it's being told to do something, but its instincts are like, no. Yeah.

We've got to get the fuck out of here. I can't hear anything. That's nuts. Yeah. The hearing thing. There's a famous pool player. [03:48] He's like one of the greatest pool players of all time, if not the greatest. And he's deaf. And he has hearing aids. And when he plays, he shuts them off. He just goes click. [03:56] and goes into this world of balls and geometry and just doesn't miss. He's a horrifying person to play. Really? Because of the fact that he's got that extra sense shut off, like the hearing, he can shut it off.

It's not just that. He's also obsessive. He practices 10 hours a day. He's an all-time wizard. He's won the S. Open, which is the hardest tournament to win in all of Poole. He's won it five times. There's only one other guy in history, Earl Strickland. [04:26] 25 times. Everybody plays pool. [04:28] Like everybody, a little. Yeah. But then the levels to the game... [04:33] Like you start getting a professional pool player. Yeah. And they're playing a totally different game. It's a totally different – just watching it, you realize like, oh, my God, what am I doing?

I'm hitting the ball way too hard. I don't know what I'm doing. My angles are all fucked up. Like this guy is playing that with English. I would have just hit it straight. And they're doing a spin, a backspin. It hits over here in the ball. It's the control of the ball. It's just like they're a part of the – the stick is a part of their body. [05:03] in time and they know where that ball is going within millimeters. It's nuts to watch. [05:09] Some of these guys, they'll hit a ball, and it'll travel.

It's a nine-foot table. It'll travel all the fuck away around the table. It's like a 12-foot distance, and it'll go in a two-inch spot. And you just go, fuck me. [05:22] It's great. And then if you do that, and you're deaf too. Like you don't even hear the cheers. You're just still in the zone. Just hyper-focused. Yeah, just hyper-focused. Yeah. [05:30] Autism probably helps too if you have that. Yeah. A little. Oh, yeah. Just a touch of autism. I got a little, I think. I think anybody's good at anything. Anybody's good at anything is either ADHD or autistic.

Yeah. They tried to give me medicine for the ADHD. Did they? Yeah. I'm like, fuck no. How old were you when they tried to give it to you? [05:49] oh, well, they did give it to me when I was a kid. Really? Yeah. What did they give you? And then you're, who knows? But whatever, you're lobotomized, right? And then... Fuck. And so I stopped taking it just because I was... No, you're just like, yes. [06:01] You know, so my parents were like, fuck it, just let him run around. My neighbor's kid.

[06:06] They gave it to him when I lived in California. It was such a bummer. He was just a wild little kid. [06:11] And they gave it to him and all of a sudden he was flat. Yep. And I was like, oh. And the lady was like, oh, he's on medication now because he's hyperactive. I'm like, oh, my God. Not my kid. Not my place. I'm not saying nothing. I just go to work. [06:26] I was single back then, and I was like 28 or 29, and I was just so confused how you could do that.

And I kept thinking, like, if somebody did that to me when I was a kid, for sure I would have been on drugs. Yeah. If my parents knew about those options, they could shut me the fuck up. If I had the wrong parents – my parents wouldn't have done it, but if I had the wrong parents, 100%, I had all the traits that I had. [06:46] That would have allowed me to get on Ritalin or whatever. It's a fucking superpower if you understand it. Exactly. It's a superpower. Yeah. If you could find something you love.

People say, how in the world can you write a script that you write all these things? It's not that hard. [07:00] Like once I know what it is, I can sit, you could sit me in an airport chair. [07:03] I'm going to go. [07:04] around a thousand people. I won't hear them. [07:07] And I can sit there for 12 hours straight. Because you love it. I just get, I just hyper-focus. But if somebody wants you to pay attention to the history of Pop-Tarts or something, it's not going in there. I physically can't do it.

Yeah, it's not going in there. Yeah. [07:21] That's the superpower. The superpower is you can find something you love and focus on it. But the way our education system is designed is so ass backwards. You take kids that are so energetic and they have so much life and you just squeeze it out of them. Just sit still. Stay put. Listen to boring shit. And all day they're just fighting this desire to scream and just run out of the building and go do something fun. [07:48] Wasn't the... [07:50] like essentially what we call the modern public education system founded by or really by the Rockefellers as a means to create workers.

Yep, yep. [08:00] That's it. Compliant workers and soldiers conform. Just one of the reasons why they decided to start school so early for kids is the earlier you can start them, the more you can get them to do whatever you want them to do. And the more you can get them to pledge allegiance and get really excited about this, that or the other thing, including all the trans stuff that you see in school, all the pride stuff. [08:30] Why are you even talking to them about that? Because you can get them early and you can program those thoughts into their mind that this is a good cause.

And it could be anything. It could be your religion. It could be your political ideology. It could be being a Christian, being a Muslim, whatever. If you get kids young enough, you can talk them into doing almost anything. That's why they have child suicide bombers. They don't try to get guys in their 40s with a family to strap a vest on. They try to get kids. [08:59] This episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight.

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But where does the money come from? [11:19] And when you look at where the money comes from and you realize, oh, wait a minute. And it's been coming for 40, 50 years from these places. Qatar. [11:27] for example. [11:28] Obviously, Russia, China, all these are enemies. [11:33] donating money to all of these various groups to divide. [11:37] to just... [11:39] Eat away from the inside. Russia's been doing it since the 70s. Yeah, 60s. 60s. Yeah. That Yuri Bezmanov, I'm sure you've seen that video. Anybody who hasn't, please watch it. It's Yuri Bezmanov, and it's in 1984.

And this guy is essentially describing what a mirror is going to look like eventually. And he's dead on. [11:58] Just dead on. Dead on with the communism, the Marxism, the stuff in the universities just completely poison their mind. Push out any ideas of patriotism being a virtue. All the hate for America that you have, like all the division, all of it engineered. Yeah. It's wild. Just look at who it benefits. [12:18] That's it. That's it. It's real simple. Just look and see who it benefits. Well, it benefits a lot of people in this country as well, unfortunately.

There's a lot of people that really love division, and they can profit off of it, and they can – [12:30] Work an angle. We're with you. This is a big part of the problem with the whole idea of nonprofits because nonprofits in theory are awesome. It's a great thing that people are willing to donate their money. Wealthy people who are doing well say, you know what? I think my money could be best suited helping out other people. It's beautiful. It's one of the most amazing notions about people when they can be charitable when they don't have to be.

They do it because they want to and they really want to help. [13:00] Then you find out what's really going on and that the majority of the money is going to overhead and employees. Well, think about this. If I create a nonprofit to go solve – well, LA is a perfect example. We can look at the homeless situation that they have there and all of these NGOs that are getting all of this money. [13:18] and the problem is getting worse. [13:20] It's not getting better. [13:21] It's getting worse. But if I form an NGO and that's my cause and I solve the problem, [13:29] what do I do with my NGO?

Now I got no money. Now there's no reason to give me money. So they don't create them to solve problems. The incentives are totally cut. They exacerbate the problem. [13:39] make the problem worse, make it longer, make it bigger. Look how big the problem is. We need more money. Some guy was doing a breakdown of the people that work in the homeless industry, industry, I say in air quotes, in California, because that's really what it is. It's – [13:53] They spent $24 billion on the homeless problem. [13:57] And no one can account for it.

And they tried to get an accounting of it. They tried to do an audit of it. And Newsom vetoed it. [14:05] Vetoed it like why would you want to know let's stop let's stop all that nonsense and build this fucking train track to nowhere That's never gonna get built well. They have a mile of it. They have a mile of that train only cost a hundred billion dollars relax Like things take time We're trying to choose the path. How about right beside the I-5? How about that? How about right next to the flat fucking highway?

Everything they do sucks. Yeah, how about that stupid fucking road over the highway to make sure the mountain lines are safe? I [14:33] Yeah. It's like over $100 million still not done. And they have them, by the way, that's not a new concept. They have those throughout the West. Yeah. And they don't cost shit. They don't cost much money at all. They fix them quick. They do it quick. Yeah, they're done in a couple of months. Yeah, pour some cement, put some sod down, plant some fucking grass, and away you go.

[14:53] Away you go. But we're applying logic to a state that doesn't use that. It's like it is as goofy as it gets. And then you think it's as goofy as it gets. And then you hear that Portland just – okay, so this is going to be on the ballot in November. It got enough votes to be on the ballot. [15:11] And this is some law that's under the guise of stop animal cruelty. Well, who doesn't want to stop animal cruelty? I certainly want to stop animal cruelty. Let's stop animal cruelty.

So what does it mean? It means no hunting, no fishing, no ranching, no agriculture, no animals that get harmed in any way. No killing chickens for Kentucky Fried Chicken. Nothing. Nothing. [15:36] No animals die. And this is a city ordinance? And it's their fucking vote. Oregon is voting on this in November. [15:44] No fishing! No fishing! What are you saying? Are you fucking high? [15:53] And no, so no hunting, no ranching, ranching. You can't ranch. You're going to kill a cow. What are you crazy? That's illegal in Oregon. [16:02] And here's...

That probably sounds like a good idea to one of those people. But here's my question. All right, so let's do it. Let's just say... Let's just outlaw... [16:11] Ranching. [16:12] Let's just say, fuck it. [16:14] Uh, [16:15] Well, there's 91 million cattle in the country. So what will we do with them? [16:19] You just leave them alone. Let nature take its course. [16:23] Yeah, but there's no nature to take its course. It's just 91 million head of fucking cattle. And I can promise you this, if you outlaw me feeding them and taking care of them, I'm not going to...

Then they're... [16:36] Then they're wandering the highway. Yeah. [16:39] And then the Bulls are out? [16:40] Yeah. So you're going to keep the bulls contained? No. No. The bulls are going to kill people. Yeah. And make more cattle. Yeah. And make more cattle. Yeah. So now we have 900 million cattle in three decades. Yeah. And fuck all your fences. Bulls are going to smash them. [16:54] Bulls are going to eat your grass. Bulls are going to stomp your dog. Like, what are you talking about? I can't. But it's not supposed to be logical.

Yeah. [17:03] It's all just a vibe, man. It's like – and it's not even a well-thought-out one. But the problem is you don't have to be well-thought-out to get on the ballot. You just have to appeal to certain sensibilities. And then all of a sudden people are like, oh, that would be good. Let's stop animal cruelty. [17:20] And they're probably on SSRIs anyway. It'll probably pass. Nah. Nah, I don't think it'll pass. According to this New York Times article, it was a guy... [17:29] One guy. One guy? And got 135,000 signatures and got it passed to that level.

I wonder how many of them are homeless people. [17:36] Um, [17:37] And he moved to Portland from Denver, from Southern California, where I'm trying to figure out what that is. Do we have a photo of this dude? I want to see what this guy looks like. No, I didn't. Show him, but it says he's a vegan. Of course he's from Southern California. Of course he is. He's a vegan. Oh, that's weird. I would have never guessed. Substitute teacher. Oh, substitute teacher. He keeps getting better. He's a winner. I lost it.

[17:57] What else? [17:58] That's all it was saying. I didn't frame him very well. [18:02] well [18:03] They shouldn't. It's a crazy idea. There you go. Mickelson. Yeah. Substitute teacher, vegan, and petitions organizer. It's to have a system where we're not killing or hurting animals anymore. I love how he said a system. [18:15] What are you talking about? What does that mean? What's the system? Are you talking about nature? What are you talking about? [18:20] like [18:21] They're going to kill each other, stupid. Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

Is it somehow or another less cruel when a mountain lion gets into a pen of sheep and tears them apart? Yeah. [18:33] He figured the chances of meeting another gay vegan were better in Portland. [18:42] He's probably right. Probably not wrong. Yeah, probably a good bet. Solid bet. [18:46] he was sitting there going Midland Texas Portland Oregon where am I go to Portland and take some medication just fucking have a good time there we go hey fella [19:00] He's already gotten too much attention from us. Yeah. There's a lot of silly people in the world.

And, you know, like we were talking about with young people, if you get young people indoctrinated early enough to think these silly ideas make sense, which is one of the reasons why I love that Kevin Costner moment on your show. [19:18] When he had explained to that vegan lady. Oh, yeah. It's such a good moment. How cute does an animal have to be before you care if it fucking lives? Yeah. Yeah. And what the actual, like what life gets killed when you're just talking about farming, just food. Plowing a field.

Yeah. Just plowing a field. Or go build a road. [19:38] We want to destroy some fucking organisms. Go build a road. Yeah. And if you're riding on those roads, you're in that system. And then there's the bees. [19:47] Like, the amount of bees that die every year so we could have avocados is bananas. Yeah. Bring them in from Brazil. [19:54] by the billions. By the billions. By the bee. And they die. Bees and then on top of the – so it's avocados and almonds. Those are the two big ones, right?

Yeah. Almonds, you know what's fascinating? And I'm going to – we can look it up. Yeah. [20:10] Almonds, the amount, it's something like 19 gallons of water. [20:15] is what you have to give [20:17] Thank you. [20:18] to get one almond. [20:21] Is that real? Yeah. Yeah, we can... Yeah, it's fucking bananas. My doctor told me almonds aren't even good for you. Well, you know, it's... He said they're okay for you. He said, but, you know... There was a time in the Mediterranean where they were... They were poisoned. They have strychnine in them.

[20:38] And it's one of the first domesticated plants. And what people realize, whoever Homo sapiens or Neanderthals or whoever's wandering around, they're like the squirrels are eating those poisonous nuts from that tree. [20:51] Huh. [20:52] They're okay from this one, not okay from that one. So they started cutting down and uprooting all the ones where the squirrels wouldn't eat. [21:01] Oh, interesting. Yeah. And so the almond originally... [21:05] This episode is brought to you by Wild Pastures. Here's the deal, folks. Wild Pastures delivers 100% grass-fed and finished beef, pasture-raised pork and chicken, even wild-caught seafood right to your door.

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We're taking almonds, pulverizing them, and brining them in water. [23:05] essentially leeching out the flavor of the almond and then adding a bunch of shit to it and sugar and what i'll add in a lot of sugar my friend duncan was like dude almond milk is good for you i go you're looking how much sugar is in there and we were on the phone and he goes holy shit i go yeah man that's why it tastes good but my doctor told me i had oxalates in my diet in my my blood test he said your oxalates are kind of high he goes are you eating almonds and

[23:29] And I said, yeah. I eat almonds all the time. He's like, yeah, cut back. He goes, that's where it's from. Really? Yeah. So you find out how much oxalates are in almonds. I just listened to them. And also, it's a lot of like... [23:43] a lot of that gluten-free flour stuff. If you buy a lot of that stuff, it's like almond flour a lot of the times. Right. Almonds are a high oxalate food. Eating them can raise oxalate levels that circulate, get filtered by the kidneys and appear in urine, which may increase kidney stone risk in susceptible people.

Yeah. [24:02] Almonds contain about 296 milligrams of oxalate per 100 grams, roughly 4 milligrams per nut, putting them in the high oxalate category. [24:12] Yeah. [24:13] Yeah, he said they're not bad if you just have them every now and then. He goes, but don't do it on a regular basis. Huh. [24:19] Yeah. [24:21] There's a lot of stuff that is high oxalates that people don't think about. They can really fuck you up. Kale, for instance. I used to drink kale smoothies all the time until another doctor told me you really should cook the kale.

Cook it and then filter out whatever the water is in it. [24:36] And I go, really? I go, why? He goes, oxalates. He goes, you want to cook the oxalates out of them. Really? Yeah, and that's apparently what causes a lot of kidney stones. With some folks, they drink a lot of those green smoothies, which I used to do every day. I used to take a bunch of kale, throw in a bunch of apples and some ginger and some garlic and blend it all up and drink at the beginning of the day.

I thought I was doing a good thing. And he was like, you're just blasting your system with oxalates. And I was like, oh, all right. [25:02] Yeah, I know. Have some fucking eggs, bro. He said, have bacon. Have some bacon. I'm like, fucking bacon's better for you? My journey of figuring out what to eat was a long one. It was a long one, and thank God I got this podcast because if I hadn't had all those conversations with people where I realized, like, oh, so we're – like, and now the food pyramid's completely flipped, which is hilarious.

Yeah. But it's like I've had enough conversations where I realized, like, oh, all these people don't know what the fuck they're talking about, and they're giving advice. And it's weird. [25:32] advice there is for food and for health and for... [25:36] Fucking fill in the blanks. Almost everything in our society. Our food pyramid was created by Johnson & Johnson. Yeah. Didn't it? Or Kellogg's, which is Johnson & Johnson. Kellogg's, one of those. Yeah. How do we get people to eat our shit in the morning and then again at lunch? And then, well, the one thing that we can't control, and they talk about...

[25:52] The one thing that we do not have is this massive industrialized meat production because there's no there's no economical way to do it. They do it if they could. Harris Ranch, which you've probably seen off I-5 in in California. [26:09] The closest version of that. But what it is is a feed yard, right, where you get them together and feed cattle for 90 to 150 days before you go send them off and slaughter them. [26:19] Right. That's the closest thing there is to an industrialized beef industry, because. [26:27] It's a very inefficient way.

It's way better to farm. [26:31] It's more efficient to farm than it is grazed cattle. So you only want to graze cattle somewhere that you can't farm. [26:36] at the end of the day. You want to graze cattle are great at taking protein from poor protein sources and metabolizing it. [26:44] Right. So you graze them in real rocky terrain with native grasses that you can't farm. You can't till it. You just can't. [26:52] And... [26:52] It needs to be eaten by something or weeds will overtake it, right? Because grass grows better when it's being grazed.

[27:01] And so there's no way to industrialize that or centralize it. The most centralized it is at the packing house, where you've got four major packing houses that control 90-something percent of the beef industry. [27:14] And that's starting to change. COVID was extremely helpful for the smaller farmer and rancher to sit there and get their product out. Right. And find small. They start popping up. People have opened these USDA facilities that that don't process 800 head of cattle. [27:30] an hour they maybe do [27:32] 50. [27:33] or 50 a day.

And [27:35] Now people can go there because they're a USDA facility. They can buy beef directly from them, buy it from the rancher. [27:42] Right. And you can control where your food's coming from as opposed to what what was happening. [27:49] where you'd get a bunch of, if you're going to go get a burger, you're eating some Australian killer bull, right? For the most part, or something from Brazil. And they'd, [27:58] or you're not eating something that you... [28:01] want to eat. [28:02] Right. Um, [28:03] When you go to a nice steakhouse, the steaks there are...

[28:09] They're going to come from most likely Texas, Iowa, Nebraska. [28:15] Montana. [28:16] There's select areas where people are spending that kind of attention and time to raise that kind of quality of beef. [28:22] right? And it's being done by smaller ranchers. It may be a big ranch, but it's still operated by relatively few people. You know, four sixes is 300,000 acres, but there's... [28:33] Thank you. [28:34] 12 Cowboys. [28:35] Wow, 12 cowboys for 300,000 acres is nuts. [28:39] How do they keep track of everything? [28:41] We break it down into pastures, and then the pastures fall under – the terminology is this.

Let's say, oh, if you're in Guthrie, there's a camp, and we call it South Camp because it's in the south, and it's responsible for 50,000 acres. [29:00] which is broken down into multiple pastures that are between 7,000 and 10,000 acres. There's one big pasture in that camp that's like 14,000 acres. [29:11] And so then you have North Camp. You have what we call – then we have – [29:17] Camps around the town, a little town of Guthrie. So you break it down into the responsibility of each cowboy's room somewhere between 35,000 and 50,000 acres.

[29:27] Wow. [29:29] That's a hell of a responsibility. [29:31] Yeah. That's a lot of work, man. That's a lot of work. You know what's really interesting about your shows, particularly Yellowstone, it got people really attracted to the idea of brutal hard work as being romantic. Yeah. [29:44] Yeah. You know, people like really identified with those guys on Yellowstone that were just like so dedicated to that ranch, so dedicated to busting their ass and working all day hard fucking work and then just hanging out together afterwards. And there's something about that life that's so simplistic and romantic to people that it just really resonated with so many people.

They didn't even know that they liked that. Well, it's it's uniquely American. [30:11] and the amount of freedom [30:14] So we move somebody out to South Camp, and we go, okay, so here you are. There's your house at South Camp. [30:22] See you in a week or so. [30:25] Go figure shit out. Keep track of the cattle. And you give them a string of horses, and they work their horses, and they... [30:32] ride that property. They know every inch of it. And you don't ever, you don't, we don't, we don't have weekly corporate meetings.

How do they get supplies? Is the house stocked in advance? Yeah. Or go to town. [30:44] you know, [30:44] Towns, which is an endeavor, right? Towns 90 miles away. So you go to town once a week, right? Stock up. [30:53] Go back. Wow. [30:55] Yeah, but it's... It's a crazy life. And... [30:58] People incorrect, not every, this isn't true of every cowboy. There's plenty of cowboys that typically they grow up on that ranch, and that's the life that they know, and that's what they want to do. [31:08] Right. [31:09] They still go off to college.

[31:11] Like almost every one of my cowboys has a ranch management degree. [31:16] Like, they went to school. Wow. To study... [31:19] What's a good school if you want to be a cowboy? I mean, there's quite a few of them. Texas Tech. I mean, that's a phenomenal ranch management program. A bunch of the guys... [31:27] on the sixes went there. TCU has a ranch management program, a good one, Texas A&M. [31:34] We have vets that... [31:36] live on the ranch. Obviously we breed a ton of horses. [31:40] And so our vets, Colorado State's an excellent veterinary school for large animal vets.

Obviously, Texas A&M is a phenomenal school, Texas Tech as well. Dude, how the fuck do you pay attention to everything? You're running a gigantic ranch and you have about 48 TV shows. [31:56] How the fuck do you do it? I don't understand it. Every time a new Taylor Sheridan show pops up, I say to my wife, I go, how the fuck is he doing this? [32:04] Like, where does he have this time? [32:06] Part of it is, if you think about it, so my crew, my core crew is the same crew I made Wind River with.

[32:13] Look, when we had no money. [32:15] I remember one time I'm on the top of a mountain with me and my first AD and my DP, uh, [32:22] Ben Richardson and... [32:23] There's not a producer. We haven't seen anybody. [32:26] in a week. And I looked at, we're freezing our asses off at seven below zero in northern Utah. And I'm like, guys, you know, we could just [32:33] fuck off to Hawaii and nobody would know for a while. [32:37] We have their money. They don't actually know where we are.

They're just trusting that we're going to make this movie, which we did. And it was incredibly difficult. But that's the same team that went over and did Yellowstone, which is then the same team that went up and did Mayor of Kingstown with me and then... [32:56] 1883, 23, lioness, land man, all of them. And [33:01] We've promoted from within. I've got PAs that are now first ADs. I've got camera operators that are now directors. So we've promoted from within. So everyone understands the way we do it. And it's so frigging efficient.

[33:13] We don't ever have, and you know, because you've been in this industry forever, you [33:18] These people will have meetings upon meeting upon meeting. [33:22] They'll have a... [33:23] Tone meeting. [33:24] where a whole bunch of people are going to sit around and try and talk about the tone of the script. [33:28] What, didn't you read the fucking thing? [33:32] We have to have a meeting about it? How about we don't have a meeting about it? And then they'll have a... [33:37] They'll have a, and this is also networks.

They love this shit so that they can have a reason for their existence, right? Right. All these middle management people. And they want to do a prop show and tell where someone's going to come show them all the props that we're going to use. [33:50] Really? Well, we don't do that shit because I'm like, I need your permission to use which which Bic lighter I'm going to use in this fucking scene. How about I just make the decision? And how about we use the same Bic lighter in all these fucking shows and I don't ever have to pick a Bic lighter again?

How about that? [34:07] So we just streamlined it and made it to where it's so efficient. Typically, a TV show will start up. [34:12] Uh, [34:13] And they'll prep for 12 weeks before they start filming. [34:16] We do it in four. [34:19] Wow. [34:20] Well, that makes sense. It makes sense that it's streamlined because I've been on shows when they first start out, and it's chaos. And there's a lot of network involvement, and there's a lot of bullshit. But then once it gets going, they go, oh, you guys know what you're doing.

Yeah. Leave me alone. Yeah. Yeah. We're there from the beginning now. That's beautiful. We haven't missed. If you don't miss. Right. Well, it's like you don't miss. Like you don't miss with the writing. You don't miss with the storylines. Like you don't have any duds, man, which is incredible. [34:50] shows and all of them be good. And all of them be very addictive. Landman is so addictive. [34:58] That show... [35:00] it's about something very serious, and then I can just throw shit at it. Yeah. Let's just take a bunch of old people to a strip club.

Billy Bob is fucking awesome. He's a genius. I love that guy. He's so good on that show. It's like it was made for him. It was made for him. I mean, he's done so many things. I went to Billy Bob... [35:16] Before I... [35:18] before I wrote a word and I told him, I said, if you don't do this, I'm not going to do it because I'm not going to chase my tail. He goes, well, what is it? I said, I want to do, I said, basically, I want to take your character from bad Santa and put him in West Texas and run an old company.

[35:31] He goes, you want the guy from Bad Santa to run an oil company? I said, that's what I want. He goes, that sounds fucking awesome. I'm like, yeah. Well, it's educational, too. I mean, a lot of people have no idea how the oil business works. And you watch that show, you go, Jesus Christ, what a crazy job. It's an insane job. And the other thing about it is... [35:54] We're so completely dependent upon petroleum. [35:57] in every single aspect of our lives, so completely dependent upon it. And we can debate how bad it is or isn't and, and, and, or not debate it.

The reality is we don't have an alternative. Like it does not exist. [36:10] It simply doesn't exist. [36:12] And we could sit there and say, well, wind and this. No. You sit down with any climatologist and any engineer, they're going to tell you our best hope for a replacement of petroleum. [36:21] fuels is cold fusion and we're 30, 40 years from it. [36:27] being something that we can rely upon and reduced little nuclear reactors, like itty bitties, like the size of this coffee pot. [36:34] This episode is brought to you by Dodge.

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That's com slash Rogan. Meet your match on ZipRecruiter. That's what they're talking about. They're talking about like individual reactors that people have in their homes. Like how long does it take before there's disasters? [38:43] having a really good nuclear power plant for a city is an awesome idea having everyone have their own nuclear power plant [38:53] Sounds fucking crazy. You know. How many assholes are going to cut into that thing? Well, people still put fucking metal in microwaves. Right. So I don't think we should be giving. I've done it. I'm like, how bad can it really be?

There's people that leave their fucking gas on so that someone can die in the house. No, we don't need. People are nuts. Yeah. [39:11] People are nuts. If you literally have consumer level nuclear power plants, [39:17] Not with these monkeys. Not with the human beings that we are today, our current form. We're not enlightened enough to have personal nuclear power plants in our house. [39:27] Oh, fuck. Yeah, so we're dependent upon it. That's why we're in a round right now. [39:35] Oh, yeah. Also because of Israel. But I mean, we're

[39:38] We're in Iran. I mean, the whole thing about it is the oil. The Strait of Hormuz, it's like, I think it's 40% of the world's oil supply passes through there. Yeah. Christ. No, that's – and I think also – [39:52] China. [39:53] it's a big play against it's a chess piece against china [39:57] Mm-hmm. [39:58] That's what I think. Yeah, all of it's fucking terrifying. What, uh... [40:02] And I'm not saying... [40:05] We should have or we shouldn't have. I'm not commenting politically. [40:10] I don't know. [40:10] What those SF guys did in Venezuela was fucking...

[40:16] It's crazy. Whether, I'm not saying they should or shouldn't. I'm just saying. Right. The team was sent. [40:22] and [40:22] And the team, I mean, can you imagine if I wrote it in a movie, people will go, that's fucking ridiculous, Taylor. Right. We don't have that attack yet. You're going to fly a bunch of SF dudes, drop them off on the roof of this high rise surrounded by the fucking Cuban special forces. And they're going to kill all of them. And then they're going to fucking snatch him and his wife, go back to the roof and just fucking fly away.

That's what they did. And they're going to do it with sound. [40:47] They're going to disable everyone with a sound weapon. Like, what? What? [40:51] Do you remember when they first started talking about that Havana syndrome? Yeah. We're dismissing it. This is horseshit. This is bullshit. Yeah. Like, no, they're talking about people that are in Havana. They've been targeted. Something zapped them. Low-level frequencies that made them nauseous. Yeah. And I think that is a fraction of whatever they unleashed in Venezuela. Who knows? [41:10] The discombobulator, that's what it's called, classified secret weapon system.

President Donald Trump claimed S. forces used during the January 3rd operation to capture Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. He stated that the weapon successfully disabled enemy equipment and air defenses, preventing them from firing back. So it's both – it disables the people and it disables their weapon system. [41:36] What? That's amazing. What the fuck are we doing? Official silence when asked for specific technical or operational details about how the device functions. Trump famously told New York Post, I'm not allowed to talk about it. [41:49] Mm. [41:50] He says they press buttons.

He claimed the defense forces pressed buttons and nothing worked, disabling both Russian and Chinese-made rockets and radar. [41:59] Mmmmm. [42:01] If weapon affected both mechanical equipment and personnel, he also referred to it as [42:06] He also referred to a sonic weapon being used against Maduro's Cuban security detail inside a heavily fortified fortress. [42:14] Fucking A, man. I would love to see what that looks like. [42:19] I bet they have video, too. Oh, I'm sure. [42:22] All wearing GoPros. I'd love to go into a skiff. Just show me the video. I won't say nothing.

I want to see what it looks like. I just want to watch. What does it look like when somebody gets zapped by sound and gets fully disabled? Like, apparently, they just fell to the ground in agony. They couldn't move. Yeah. Yeah. [42:37] And they just went in and shot everybody. And some frickin' SF snipers were just frickin' on top of that, just raining down on them. Crazy. Crazy. Like, that guy thought he was safe. Yeah. [42:45] Crazy. And there's a famous video of him saying, come and get me. Oh, yeah.

Bro. Be careful. What bear you poke. [42:54] None of us know what the tip of the spear technology in weapon systems is available right now. We don't know. They don't tell us. They don't tell us. Obviously – [43:05] No one knew this fucking discombobulator thing existed. No. This is science fiction. Yeah. Right? [43:10] If this was 20 years ago, you'd be like, that's not a real thing. But now you're like, oh, shit, they used it? It's not just a concept. They fucking used it? What else? What are they cooking out in the desert in the middle of Nevada?

Who knows? Who knows? [43:23] Yeah, and think about this, for that to be used, [43:25] There's something four generations past that. A hundred percent. That they're playing with now. Yeah, a hundred percent. You know, this whole UAP world... [43:36] stuff like when they start talking about uaps all of my bullshit alarms go off all of them it's like i don't believe if you knew things you would tell us so i don't believe you're telling us the truth i think they have some special access programs that they've been working on for decades and decades and some super high level shit that involves some sort of novel propulsion system [44:06] I think that's what a lot of people are seeing.

That's what a lot of people are seeing. [44:09] That doesn't discount the idea that there's something else out there, because I think there is. But I think there's a giant chunk of the shit that people are seeing that's ours. Yeah. Testing. Yeah. Testing, doing stuff with it. If there was an intelligent life form that had stumbled upon our barbaric asses, [44:26] Why would they not go, hey, guys, fire up that fucking missile and take, we found this blue planet. We got to get rid of this thing. Well, I think maybe every intelligent species that's tribal and territorial has to go through an adolescent period of their evolution.

And if you look at human history, you know, I was reading about Vlad the Impaler last night. Jesus Christ. [44:56] And separating them down the line on the road so that as these poor guys are traveling to go and fight him, they just see the enemy stuck on skewers. And in geometric patterns and shit, he would do them in like stars and stuff. He was a vicious motherfucker. And he's the motivation behind or the inspiration behind Dracula. And I was reading about that guy. I'm like, fuck, people have always been awful.

They've always been awful. But they just like as time goes on, they get a little less awful. [45:26] A little less. Like we're a little less awful now than we were during Nazi Germany. Not – [45:33] Totally great? Not collectively. Right. Certain... [45:36] We're still willing to do genocide. Some of us are, but it's less, less approved. It's less, more people are horrified at it. It's like human beings are getting a little bit better. It's not as quick as we'd like. I think. [45:50] If I was an alien life form, I would say you have to wait this out.

[45:54] It's like if you have a kid, you've got to let the kid fall down and stub him. [45:57] stumble you got to let him get hurt you got to let things happen you got to let him fuck up and figure it out himself you got to figure this out make it right you fuck this up you got to give him a chance to become better right i think as a civilization i would think the same thing would apply you have to give this civilization time to evolve and adapt [46:16] And get past where it's at right now.

And I don't think that you do that by intervening and like grabbing us by the hand and showing us the way. I think what you do is you hang back and make sure that we don't nuke each other. [46:29] And just sort of pay attention to all the different international ongoings and just let human beings slowly but surely evolve. [46:40] That's what I would do if I was an intelligent life form observing people. The interesting thing that we're... [46:46] as a civilization facing now, and it's always happened in some capacity when a society gets...

[46:52]. [46:54] Wealthy, really wealthy. [46:55] And people start to question. [46:57] wealth and [46:58] How can we be more equitable? And it comes across like compassion, but it really comes down to a debate of what is more valuable to a society. Is self-determination valuable? [47:08] more valuable or is equity more valuable? [47:12] And by equity, what I mean is everyone gets exactly the same shit. [47:16] everyone. [47:17] So you take them off a [47:19] we're not on a monetary society anymore. Now you're working for the collective and you're hearing that word thrown around a lot these days.

The problem with working for the collective is, um, who decides who picks up the trash? Um, [47:32] And who decides who gets to... [47:35] Go represent your nation at the Olympics who gets to decide who gets to? I? [47:40] um, [47:42] Is someone going to let me go? [47:43] make TV shows? [47:45] Which, by the way, I wouldn't do for free. It's too fucking hard. Right. So now I don't want to do it. [47:50] Well, then you've got to go do this. Well, I won't do that either. [47:53] And that's the problem.

And then they force you to do things. Yeah. And then how do they do that? They do that with guns. Yeah. So then... [47:59] So the... [48:00] You either have self-determination or in your attempt to be... [48:06] collective, you have to surrender that. And then you're surrendering it to who? [48:10] and [48:11] and now you have a dictatorship no matter what the fuck you thought you had. Yeah. It always comes back to that. It always... You can look at... [48:19] Marxism and Leninism and what Lenin was talking about his hopes whether they were his hopes or not.

But it devolved into an authoritarian regime very, very quickly. And and. [48:33] You know, communism, socialism, fascism, Nazism, they're all... [48:38] Very, very similar. [48:40] The differences are superficial, I think Ayn Rand said, that they're just superficial. [48:45] variations between the exact same thing. [48:47] which is the evil of the collective. [48:49] The evil of a collective and human beings desire to control their people. Yeah. They love to. And any time you give them a chance where they can feel righteous about controlling people, they jump at it. [48:59] And they have an opportunity to classify people.

There's good people and bad people, and the bad people, you can do whatever you want to them. They're the other people. [49:08] And that happens with every time groups get into power like that. [49:13] and tell you what you can and can't do. And you're seeing that being embraced, shockingly, more and more all over the world. People are embracing more government power and more government control. And it's really crazy. It's really crazy to see. It's unique. I think that... [49:31] Thank you. [49:32] Number one, I think in 30 years when they look back, like we're still suffering from a society.

[49:39] from COVID. Like still. [49:43] And not so much... [49:45] from the disease itself. [49:47] but from... [49:49] our faith in the institutions around us, whether it's government, whether it's the media, whether it's, [49:54] pharmaceutical companies, um, [49:57] and [49:58] The way that it was manipulated. [50:02] to gain power. [50:04] for a political group. And it was effective... [50:08] And so when something's effective, then people just keep doing the same thing until it's no longer effective. [50:12] Right. [50:14] We did that in our military. [50:16] with the winds, hearts, and minds.

Right? So... [50:18] That all comes from Japan, right? We're going to win the hearts and minds of Japanese. Well, the Japanese surrendered. [50:24] like their emperor who they looked at as a God, he, [50:28] told. [50:29] the people of japan after [50:30] we drop two frickin' nuclear bombs on them, hey, we are going to endure the unendurable. We are going to surrender. It's the only way that we can salvage... [50:38] our nation. So they willfully surrendered. [50:42] And then our government goes, look how great this hearts and minds stuff's working.

[50:45] It's not working. [50:47] It's not working at all. [50:48] And then they tried it. [50:49] in Vietnam, didn't work. [50:51] Tried it everywhere else that we've had a conflict. We've tried it and it hasn't worked yet because what it was based on. [50:57] was flawed, right? Because they chose to be subjugated at that time. [51:02] And making that choice kept them an independent nation. [51:05] So our government, and it's so dangerous what we're seeing. You can like Trump or not like Trump. People are going to like presidents and dislike presidents.

But Trump... [51:22] Now, define the rule of law. [51:26] because he happens to be [51:29] the head of the federal government and openly defying the federal government, the repercussions of that are going to be, okay, fine, you can't stand this man. You think he's a terrible president and you're not going to follow his laws. [51:42] But that's the new normal now. So when a president gets in that you do support... [51:46] Then the other side, because we've established this precedent, they're just not going to follow his laws either. [51:50] And now we've eroded the rule of law.

[51:54] And then what happens? The slippery slope is very dangerous. [51:59] I mean, I was saying that when the ICE raids were going on because I was like, okay – [52:04] I am not in favor of illegal criminals being in this country.