#2520 - Tommy Lee

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I have a cap. I have a root canal. I think I'm going to swap it out for a gold tooth. Do it. Fuck yeah. I got one back here somewhere. [00:44] It's just that little like I don't know that little pirate thing starts to happen. I know it's just a little little outcast II Yeah, yeah, yeah, so what's cracking brother. How you doing? I'm good man. I'm uh [00:59] I'm stoked to be here to see you. Stoked to have you here. Yeah, man. Shit, I wish I was staying longer now.

But we'll make the best of... How long are you staying? How long are you in town for? I'm leaving after... Right after this? After you, yeah. Where are you headed? Back home, A. [01:17] My son is getting married. Oh. Congratulations. Thanks, thanks. Which is such a trip, dude. [01:25] You know, like, he's 29... [01:28] And he's getting married. And I'm just, I've been kind of tripping out on that. Like, dude, where the fuck? [01:35] did that time, A, go? Right. And like, [01:39] I'm so... [01:40] fucking happy for him, that...

[01:43] He's been seeing the school for [01:46] Seven years? I'm so proud that he did exactly the opposite of his dad. You know what I mean? Right, right. He knows, and they've been... [01:56] Basically, they've been married, you know, and they're just making it official now. And I'm just so happy for them. Like, I tell them all the time, like, so happy for you, dude. You're like... [02:08] You use some patience and some love and mix it all around and put some time in there. And you know your survival rate is going to be way better than...

[02:22] Way better and that makes me really happy and your happiness rate. I think if you're a kid and your dad is Tommy Lee and you leave that fucking crazy chaotic life. He's probably like slow down. Give me a fucking yard and a picket fence and whoa. Totally. Totally. That's why like in you know in you know in the drift of everything. [02:42] I'm really surprised and I'm really happy. He just like... [02:46] pump the brakes. That's awesome. Just, like, make sure that what he's doing is... [02:51] the real shit yeah i mean especially in la with a rock star dad it's like there's so many bad influences there's so many ways you could go where you could just ruin your fucking life it's so easy to ruin your life if you're in the wrong circles dude so easy right because everybody else is doing it too you're like hey i guess we're doing meth i'm fucking just i i mean i know people that are

[03:21] They're not bad people. They're not even stupid, man. They just made a bad decision for whatever reason. And then next thing you know, they're all strung out. And it's like A. is the hub of that. There's so much of that going on in A. [03:36] Yeah, and if you have any sort of... [03:39] that sort of shit magnet attached to you. Yeah. You know, the shady friends and the, but most people do. You just kind of, of course, all of a sudden, [03:50] You're just fucking. I mean, I don't live in the rock and roll world, but I think that's probably the most attractive to like crazy people like that world.

That is the world where if you're a fucking kook, like you gravitate towards that world. You know, it's probably so hard to find like sane, balanced people that are. Yeah. You know? Yeah. They have their shit together. It's like it's almost impossible. [04:20] and you're the fucking drummer in Motley Crue. I mean, how are you supposed to be normal? What the fuck are you talking about? What kind of life is that? That's such a bizarre life. It's the craziest life of all time. You're fucking slamming the drums on stage in front of literally a sea of human beings singing along to your music.

Nobody can understand that. I know, man. Yeah, they've seen it all. They've seen it all. [04:50] you know, just so, you know, [04:52] We could hang out and spend time. They're like, you know, get them a radio. All of a sudden, one of my sons is part of the lighting crew, helping those guys. My other son is like, all he wants to know about is like, Dad... [05:08] I want to be in charge of all things. [05:10] The after show passes. I'll go out while you're playing, and I'm going to hit all the chicks.

[05:16] And, like, my son is out there just stack of passes. Come on back afterwards. Come on back. And then watching him, like... [05:26] have... [05:27] Just running it, right? It's just like... [05:31] brings a cheer to my eye, man. That's cool. That's very cool. When you look back, how much of a dream does it feel? I mean, it's got to feel very bizarre that you [05:43] You know, every young guy who plays music wants to be in a gigantic band. They all want to be rock stars. And when it actually happens for you and you're looking back on it, like how – [05:54] fucking surreal does it all feel it's dude i pinch myself still daily and [06:00] Literally.

And I'm... [06:03] I'm just fucking, I don't know, man. I'm just lucky to be here. [06:07] I'm lucky I get to do this. I always say to people like there's a couple of things that are involved with that whole thing. There's... [06:16] Some luck... [06:18] some talent, [06:20] timing... [06:23] And those things kind of all line up. And it happens for you. And it just happens at fucking supersonic speeds where, like, a lot of it's a fucking blur. Right. Like, a ton of it's a blur where you have to have somebody else, like, remind you.

You're like, oh, shit, that's right. I totally forgot we did that. You know, like about crazy times. Yeah. Yeah. [06:46] Yeah, it's a trip, dude. I spend a lot of time, like... [06:50] Thank you. [06:50] hanging on right here we go [06:56] Did you get a chance like when you're coming up to talk to any other rock stars? Did anybody give you advice on how to handle things like what it's how weird it's gonna be? I [07:04] No. [07:05] I'm trying to think of any sort of a... [07:08] mentor kind of dude on like how to survive the shit.

[07:12] No. Like, pull Keith Richards aside and say, hey, man, how about a few tips? How'd you do this? Oh, he's still here. Bro, I saw them at CODA, at the Circuit of the Americas a couple years back. Yeah. They were fucking incredible, man. Incredible. Insane. They're like, what is, how old is Keith? Dude. Are they like 80? He's gotta be. Mick is like 80? Yeah. Mick is moving around and dancing and singing. Insane. Insane. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. [07:42] In fact, research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight.

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That's com slash JRE for 30% off. Terms apply. [09:48] Dude, and let me tell you a fun, quick little story here. [09:54] Motley Crue [09:55] gets to open up for the Rolling Stones. This was on Halloween. I forget what fucking year. We were at some stadium, and I think it was Toronto. We got to open for them. [10:06] And we're so fucking pumped. We're like, dude, are you kidding me? [10:11] We get to fucking do this? Anyway, we play our show back in the dressing room after we're done. [10:21] The Stones tour manager comes into the dressing room and goes, "Tony!

[10:26] I was like, yeah. He goes... [10:28] He goes... [10:29] "Mick, Ronnie and Keith would like to see you!" And I was like, "Brad!" I fucking... [10:36] head over there, and dude, this is... [10:39] Mmm. [10:40] 20 minutes before there to go on I go into their their world and they got they bring a bartender around with them and [10:48] So there's a guy set up. [10:50] just slinging fucking drinks. [10:53] Mick isn't hammered, but fucking Keith and Ronnie? [10:59] They were fucking walking on their lips. I'm talking shitty, like, hey, fucking, right.

Just falling over with their guitars. 20 minutes before they go on stage. I'm like... [11:12] How are these guys going to fuck? There's no way they're playing. I'm sorry. [11:17] There's no way. No fucking way. And all of a sudden, we took a couple of photos, and it was like, let's go to the stage. And I'm like, oh, I got to see this. I'm walking with them, right? They get up there. Fucking lights go out. [11:31] Boom. They fucking, I think they started with Start Me Up. [11:35] and [11:40] It was like a switch flipped.

[11:42] all of a sudden those guys were fucking money like [11:47] 100% fucking rocking out. [11:49] I was like, how did they just go? They've been doing it for so long that they just, they're masters of the controls. They're like, okay, I guess we can get this amount of fucked up and then we can go. Like, it's okay. I think some guys just. That was a crazy level. Like, I saw that. You could barely talk. And then they went up there and fucking ripped it. I wish I saw that. Some guys just want to be fucked up to just feel the experience.

Just to just ride it like a wild bull. [12:19] You know? Just wherever you land. Yeah, that's where some guys like to do it. I mean, and rock, I don't have to tell you, rock and roll music is the heart of that. That's where it really goes down, where a lot of guys like to get fucked up before they play. Yep. You know? You want to see something fucking inspirational? I'm going to show you something crazy. Always. This is, have you seen, Jamie, have you seen Rick Springfield lately? I did just see him, and I was like, whoa, dude.

[12:49] your way. This is [12:50] literally bananas. This is Rick Springfield. He's 76 years old. Okay? 76. [13:00] And he's singing Jesse's Girl like he just wrote it. Is this video right here? And he's fucking. Yeah. Put the headphones on. Bro. Put the headphones on and back this up from the beginning. [13:11] I can't get the... [13:13] Whoa. Well, I just sent it to you on Instagram. He's ripped. [13:17] Click on the other link then, the one that I sent you on Instagram. [13:21] *cough* [13:22] Because you can't, first of all, he looks fucking incredible, like he's working out every day or something.

I mean, I don't even understand that. He looks like a 30-year-old guy. Yeah. And he's singing the song like he just wrote it. [13:34] *music* [13:38] Bro, 76. [14:00] Yeah, dude. That's crazy. Fuck. [14:08] Amazing, man. Amazing. That's fucking inspirational. Inspirational. Bro. 76 years old. And passion and enthusiasm is what kills me. This is not a guy who's just going out there and going through the motions. He's singing that song like he just wrote it. Yeah, totally. Fuck yeah, Rick Springfield. Yeah, good job, bro. Fuck yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. I've been sending that to everybody.

I'm like, fuck yeah. I saw that. I saw that clip and I was like, whoa. [14:38] A lot of people in their 76 are basically waiting to die. This dude's on stage with no shirt on, fucking crushing life. Dude, I love it. I love it. That's going to be me. Still 10 years from now, fucking just rocking shit. Well, I remember in the 80s, there were no old rock stars. Like, no one was out there touring that was an old rock star. You're right. You're right. And then the Stones released a new album.

I think it was like 88 or 89. [15:08] like wow they're gonna tour again it was almost like aren't they done with this like they're older now yeah and then it started being a thing where a bunch of older guys would like go out on tour that hadn't been on tour in a while and now it's no and people like why are we retiring like why why would i stop doing the most amazing thing that a human being ever gets to do yeah that you love to do yeah no let me stop doing that it was like a thing with hip-hop hip-hop artists too they would [15:38] just didn't appreciate them anymore.

It was like a young guy's game. But now a lot of those older guys are going on tour too, and people realize, oh, these guys are fucking dope. Like I saw Run DMC went on, or excuse me, Public Enemy went on with, I think it was... [15:54] I think it was Bruce Springsteen. I think Bruce Springsteen had them go up in one of his concerts. I'm like, fuck yeah, look at these dudes. They're killing it. [16:01] They're still getting after it. [16:03] That's the best, man. You've got to love that.

And I think that resurgence, I don't know if you call it a resurgence, or just that style of, like, there are certain things that were – [16:16] that were really great that stood the test of time. [16:21] And I really think that... [16:23] The way shit is now, man... [16:27] There is too fucking much like there's too much music like Spotify releases like 300 fucking thousand songs a day Really? Who the fuck is listening to all this music dude? I'm in the business and if I can't keep up How can a fan of music keep up?

So I just I think that the the [16:49] Thank you. [16:49] The excess of... [16:51] It's just static, and it's really blown a hole through for... [16:57] you know, uh, original stuff, you know, um, [17:02] really good stuff because a lot of the stuff is all kind of sounding the same now. But I just, I think that [17:09] It's been a cool progression that's sort of fueled that. [17:18] I don't know if I'm making sense. I'm kind of getting it. No, you're making sense. You know what I'm trying to say?

There's so much static now that the sort of the... Something has to be undeniable to break through. The authentic stuff still fucking holds water big time. Well, there's always like one song that all of a sudden resonates and just goes super viral because people listen to it and go, holy shit. There's always going to be something that's exceptional. But I do agree. [17:48] impossible. There's a lot of great music that I don't know anything about. And then someone turns me on to it and I'm like, how the fuck did I not know this guy?

Yeah. Yeah. [17:55] And had your friend not turned you on to that, you'd never fucking know. Well, there's no real radio anymore. No. Right? So how do you find out? When I was a kid, when I was in high school, like... [18:09] a new Motley Crue song came out. It was on the fucking radio. Yeah, right. And then you knew, all right, the new album's out. Let's go get the new album. Yeah. And that was with every major band. It was like, then you got MTV. MTV came along. Oh, the music video's out.

The album's out. But now it's like... [18:26] Anyone can just put stuff up, which is great. Yeah, which is cool. Look, it's all overall positive because you have more artists and more people that are doing what they want to do. More people that are making music, which is awesome. [18:41] It's the same thing with movies. Imagine if you had to watch every movie ever made. You'd have to be a million years old. So we'd never finish. Exactly. It's not enough hours in the day. Yeah. It's the same musically, what's happening musically.

It's happening with everything entertainment-wise. Yeah. Films, television shows. There's... [19:03] An abundance of like it's just too much. How did how do people I mean people got these you know? I [19:11] uh... [19:12] TV packages where they've got subscriptions 4,000 different places and you still can't find anything to watch. You're like, what the fuck is happening here, everybody? We gotta like... [19:27] peel it back a little bit make it a little easier here well there's so many options it's almost like dating apps right like if someone if some chick is chewing her food with her mouth open like swipe who's next yeah like people get they don't get a chance to know anybody and i think that's also the same thing with movies and tv shows yeah because if you're watching netflix if you get bored for three seconds you're like fuck this movie what else is on bit bit bit you know okay try this one and you watch that for 10 minutes not fuck this i would like to see their numbers

[19:57] people actually watch a show or a movie on Netflix before they shut it off. I bet it's way different than in the past. I bet in the old days, most people watched the movie to the end. Sure. I bet now it's like 20%. Oh, dude. If that. Yeah, I'm just going to say a little bit more. If that. Yeah. It's short attention span life right now. It's very bad for you. Yeah. Sometimes you've got to just take something in. [20:27] I'm dealing with a bunch of fucking six-year-olds here. And if my shit isn't banging within the first...

[20:34] Whether it's a movie or a song or whatever it is, whatever your art is, if it's not fucking ripping your face off and grabbing your attention within three or four seconds, you're next. Right. Exactly. When that's just the world we're in. So then that affects people who make the stuff because they really got to put the best shit up front quick or else you're going to lose everybody. 100%. [21:04] Thanks. [21:05] Yeah, but they don't have to give in to that. Nobody's got time for suspense or, you know, ah, fuck that.

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Yeah, kind of drum solo-y, kind of... Yeah. Yeah. [22:48] And in classically, Freebird. When Leonard Skinner released Freebird, they're like, no, no, no. This song takes way too long to get going. It's so long. It's like a seven-minute song. This is never going to fly. Meanwhile, it's one of the greatest anthems in the history of the world. And perhaps the greatest guitar solo in the history of the fucking human race. Right, right. You know? Yeah. Freebird, when that dude gets going, and you see it live, and everybody's fucking jacked. The whole fucking place is going off.

Going bananas. [23:18] greatest guitar solos in the history of the fucking human race and their record company was like it's too long yeah people don't have any attention span for this guys god even back then people were fucking hating well it's always the people that are the money people yeah it's all they give a fuck about is money and you're in the creative side of it and the money people are just pimping out the creative side of it and they're just trying to get you to suck as many dicks as they can because they want to buy a rolls-royce they're like come on suck that dick let's go go [23:48] And they don't give a fuck about you or your reputation because then they got fucking Nickelback over here and this guy over there.

And there's always a new band. They can push and pimp. Yeah. And so they just want to make the maximum amount of money possible. So they always have shitty advice because their advice is based on making money. Yeah. And for that reason – [24:08] When we were on Electro Records, they were never allowed in the studio. No one from the label was ever allowed. We allowed them once, and he came in and started making changes or suggesting edits and stuff. We're like, out. [24:26] Thank you. [24:27] Out. Yeah. You'll get it when it's done here.

Oh, God. So gross. Yeah, dude. And here's some guy making those kind of calls who has no not a musician, has no idea about what key the fucking songs in. All he knows is it's too long. Yeah. And we got to get to it quicker. [24:57] That's what they sell. That's their business is to sell stuff that's awesome. And somehow or another, they think it makes them awesome. [25:03] Yeah, it's very weird like, you know, Zack Bryan. He's got a great song called the day. I think it's damn cold vampires are cold damn vampires.

It's a great fucking song about fucking tongue twister. It's a great fucking song. It's about the music industry and it's about these vampires that are just. [25:21] Just sucking blood out of these artists. And it was a great song, the great line of the song, trying to make an empire. Right. [25:30] Of the things that you create. [25:31] They're making an empire from other people's work. That's what they're doing. But they somehow or another think that they're responsible and that they have an insight. I'm good at my job, Tommy Lee.

And let me tell you something, kid. I know music. And that drum solo, 14 seconds too long. I'm going to tell you why. I'm going to show you these statistics. We've got a guy. We've got statistics. We've got the best guy, the best statistics guy. He knows when people are – and when they get to this fucking part of the drum solo, they tune out, Tommy. [26:01] We've got to stop them from tuning out Totally Because I want to get a Conus egg I want to get one of them fucking two million dollar cars These cunts They exist in every walk of life Where one person is like You know a creative type That's not business oriented And you need a business person So the business people come in Someone's got to sell it You're not going to fucking sell it What are you going to do?

You're going to make your own record company? You're going to hire your own executives? Get the fuck out of here You can't Yeah [26:31] So they come along and they get involved and they fuck it all up. [26:35] Yeah. And how many guys have listened to them and ruined their careers because they listened to them? Oh, man. Do you know the Billy Squire story? [26:45] So Billy Squire was the shit when I was in high school. He had that song, Lonely is the Night. Oh, my God. I love Billy Squire.

Dude, the stroke. He was fantastic. And he did one music video. [27:01] where it was very effeminate. It was really weird. Oh, was it when he was in his pajamas or something? It was really weird. And everybody was like, nope. Yeah, what is he doing? Yeah, it was really weird. And to this day, I don't know if that was his idea or... [27:17] Or somebody else's idea? They just took a wild chance? I don't know. I pray to God it was his idea. Because at least, like, he's creative, made a creative decision, didn't work out, whatever.

Yeah, fine. But if someone tanked his career because they wanted him to act feminine in a song... [27:37] It was like very the reaction was crazy because this guy was like a sex symbol. Yeah. He was like, you know, his shirt down to his, you know, open up down to his pants. Yeah. He was a bad motherfucker on stage. He could sing his ass off. He's a star. One music video tanked him. I think it was My Kind of Lover. [27:58] I think that was the song where... See if you can find what the video was.

This is it? This is a documentary someone made on Facebook I found. About it? About this whole thing, yeah. Yeah, this is it. Yeah, so it was very weird. What song is it? Can you hear? I will... [28:16] Yeah, we're going to have to cut it out, don't worry. [28:18] So it was somebody else's idea? Is that guy with the face? That guy with the face looks like the guy that would tell you. Totally. Yeah, he's crawling around on his knees and his hands on his knees. Yeah. It was weird.

It was very weird. Fuck, what song was this? You know, like, if he was like, look at this. Look at him skipping around. It was very odd. That guy. That seems like the type of guy that would give you the bad advice. [28:45] What's the name of the song? I want to... Fuck. I don't know. I'll look up the song. Not familiar with that title. Yeah, I don't know either. But I know... Yeah, I get it. That was it. I remember that. And everybody's like, nope. [28:56] Yeah. That's a wrap.

[28:58] And that guy should have had like fucking 50 giant albums. That guy was amazing. Such an incredible singer, man. So around. [29:07] Rock Me Tonight, 1984. Oh. [29:12] I have to cut that out. Yeah, we'll cut that part out. But you can see him dancing around. [29:17] Like, look at this. Yeah. Don't do that, buddy. What is this? He's like. Yeah. Don't do that. Yeah, we need you on the ground, swarming around. Hopefully. Hopefully it was his idea. Yeah. My God, if this was somebody else's idea. Like, I want you to be looser.

I want you to be looser. I want you to be more free. Yeah. I want you to be like, I want to feel it. I want to feel your vulnerable side. I want you on your hands and knees. I want you crawling. This is what I want you to do. [29:47] like this. Like you barely can crawl. Like you're having a hard time crawling. That's what girls like. Girls like a guy who struggles to crawl. Yes, dude. [29:58] Oh my god. What the fuck did you do to him? Oh my god.

What did you do to him? I know. [30:04] I hope it was his idea. Despite its major success, the song is sometimes associated with the end of his career as a singles musician due to the music video. [30:12] which is described as one of the worst ever in a 2011 book, I Want My MTV, The Uncensored Story of the Music Video Revolution. [30:33] He has accused Ortega of deceiving him and altering his original concept, which Ortega denies. While Squire remains steadfast that the video was solely responsible for the initial decline of his popularity, other commentators are less certain.

Well, I'm pretty certain. I remember it. I remember it. I remember kids in high school going, what the fuck, bro? Yeah. What the fuck is Billy Squire doing, bro? That shit's gay, bro. Because Billy Squire was the man. I mean, he could have been another John Mellencamp. [31:03] forever. For sure. Like, what the fuck, dude? 84. One song, one music video. Insane. [31:12] That is really crazy if you think about it. Yeah, it's nuts. It's nuts. Well, that's the craziest thing about, when you think about the success of Motley Crue and bands from your era, the fact that you guys endured for so long, like still to this day.

Bro, if I'm working out in the gym and kickstart my heart comes on, I swear to God I get stronger. [31:39] Whoa! Fuck yeah! Like, you get pumped, man. [31:42] That song's a drug. Yeah, that one, man, I can't tell you how fun, how rewarding that is to sit back and, I don't know, the Super Bowl's on and the fucking kickoff. Oh, dude. [31:58] Dude, we got to cut it out, but I want to hear it. Throw Kickstart My Heart on. We'll cut it. We have to cut it out for you, too, otherwise we'll get docked with the fucking money people come involved.

Meanwhile, we're just promoting music, goddammit. [32:12] fuckers yeah right this is fucking here this fucking song oh is this live don't give me a live one give me the actual one bro that was one of the most american songs that's ever been made ever ever that song is fuel yeah you know that that song is fucking fuel if you were running in a race you're thinking about quitting and that song comes on your headphones you're like let's fucking go let's fucking go you know like songs like that they really do give you energy they're [32:42] Yeah, they're definitely – [32:45] They're injected.

[32:47] Yeah, like changes your state, you know? I love that one. Isn't that fucking wild, the power that music has? Like the right kind of song. You know, everybody's different, but there's nothing better than like... [33:01] Fuck like I get yeah goosebumps bro. If something comes along that just any it gets inside you Yeah, it's fucking infectious and all of a sudden you're like dude. It's taking over my whole body. I'm fucking tingling. Yeah Hair standing up and you're like, what is that? Yeah, what the fuck is that like I want to fucking?

bottle that up and try to recreate and [33:25] whatever that is. Yeah, it's just an encapsulation of emotion with sound frequencies that just changes your physical state. It does something to you that's like, it's one of the most amazing creations that human beings have. [33:40] have ever done. One of the most amazing accomplishments that human beings have ever done is to just make incredible music. [33:47] Because it's one of the things that it affects us in a way that like nothing else. And you can hear them over and over and over and over again.

Like a great joke is awesome the first time. [33:58] But after you hear it the second time, it loses a little of its power. The third time, it gets a little boring. [34:02] A great song. I can listen to it. Sometimes when I'm working out, I just put something on repeat. I'm like, I just want to hear this one song over and over and over again. And just wear the fucker out. Wear that fucker out. I don't care. It's so good. I don't give a fuck. I just want to feel it.

Let's let it fucking go. And every time it comes back, I'm like, fuck, yeah. And we're back. You know? It's like... [34:23] It changes the frequency of your actual soul. Yes. Your body gets moved by it. You feel different. I want to ask you a question because you're into all this fucking crazy shit. [34:38] I saw somewhere... [34:40] recently, and this just goes along with that feeling, that euphoric feeling you get when the right notes or frequencies hit you. I saw that through sound... [34:54] Certain frequencies like some dude in China some doctor in China or is it Japan?

has [35:01] is this close to healing fucking cancer through sound. [35:08] Through frequency. Really? Have you seen any of this? I haven't seen it, but I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't either, because... [35:16] You know, it just fascinates me because there is those frequencies out there that you know about them, 432, 432 hertz. You heard about that stuff? Explain to people. [35:31] There's some weird, what do you call it, conspiracy theories about... Originally, our music like Bach, Beethoven back in those days was tuned... [35:44] to [35:45] 432 Hertz. [35:51] And this is the conspiracy bullshit part about it.

At some point, and people say Hitler changed... [35:59] the tuning, the pitch of music. And now everything was raised to 440 instead of... [36:10] 432? Instead of 432, now it's at 440. It's up, and the frequency is more aggressive. And it was said that it was done to give the soldiers more fucking angst, and it would crank this music. Well, they were also given a meth. Excuse me? They were also given the meth. Between meth and Kickstart My Heart, it fucking's over. Imagine if the Nazis had Kickstart My Heart would have been a real problem.

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And there's something to it. But just think about what we're saying with Kickstart My Heart. When you hear a great song, it changes the way you feel. It changes your feeling. It gives you more energy. It really does. So obviously sound has a profound effect on the human body. [39:23] It's not just like you – there's a lot of aspects to a great song, right? It's the sound. It's also the messaging that's in the lyrics. It's like there's a lot going on. The voice of the singer, the visuals of everybody fucking rocking out on stage.

Sure. That also contributes to it, but the actual sound itself is affecting your body in a very profound way. [39:53] Sickness, I'm sure. I mean, if you were lying in a hospital bed and you felt like shit because you just had surgery, but you're listening to some dope music, wouldn't that be better than just listening to people moan in the next room? Like, ugh, fuck, get me out of here. Yeah, you're inputting something. Yeah. Something bad. [40:10] Nice. It should be a part of your recovery. Yeah, for sure. Getting positive vibes in, getting things that give you good feeling and good energy.

I do that all the time, man. I'll sit at home when you're in the mood to not really listen to music but hear music where it's just playing in the background. And I'll just put – there's these YouTube videos of these beautiful Japanese gardens in Kyoto or whatever. [40:40] high-def shots of these just beautiful bonsai trees, koi ponds, big Milwaukee bonsai, like... [40:51] And it's just... [40:52] So chill. [40:53] And with that music, and I just put it on, and it's kind of on a lot, actually. And I find myself, that's where I go to like...

[41:01] Just like, I don't know. [41:03] Yeah, it puts you in a different state. It puts me in a different space, you know? Yeah. I dig it, man. You got really into bonsai. Yeah, dude. How did that start? [41:13] All the times that we've gone to Japan, every time I went there, I always went to the Japanese gardens or the temples. And I'd walk around and just be like... [41:26] my jaw on the floor. Like I've never seen anything this fucking peaceful and beautiful and, and, [41:34] Just like, I don't know, it just came over this feeling.

Every time I went, it came over me, and I started studying. This is like eight years ago. I was like, I need this in my life somehow. I don't know what this is, but let me go down the tube here and figure out what that is and how I can get some of this into my life. And I found some fucking videos on doing bonsai work on trees, and I started, [42:04] stopped and it's been hands down the coolest fucking thing I've ever gotten into man like I'll be out there for hours every day like I'll start my day just being with nature and being with the trees that I'm working on and I got like a workshop dude it's like a there's like in progress works on the bench there's other ones I'm bending there's ones that I'm you know [42:31] uh, [42:32] treating for pests, you know.

It's a whole world, wiring everything, training it to where you want to go, pruning. It's just, it lets me escape everything for a couple of hours. I just... [42:48] I just... [42:49] I don't know, man. I just check out. How many years have you been doing this now? I've been probably eight years now I've been doing it. Eight years. [42:56] And so is a bonsai tree a regular tree that would grow big if you didn't fuck with it? Yes. Yes. Okay. And then you can get it to this incredible, beautiful, artistic shape.

Right. [43:09] And it's small. Yes. You're basically, you keep kind of dwarfing it, and everybody gets this confused. And they just think bonsai is like... [43:23] That's the tree. Bonsai means... [43:26] tree and pot. [43:28] That's what that means, actually. It doesn't mean the actual bonsai tree. It means tree and pot. How long has the study of bonsai, how long has the practice been around? Dude, fuck. I have no idea. And you find that other parts of the world, now that you get into it, I mean, there's in Taiwan – [43:47] China there are some fucking insane bonds and I think it actually originated in China and the Japanese took it and [43:56] altered it in ways and did it sort of their version, but I think it originated in China, if I'm not mistaken.

Something like that, yeah. 6th century China and they brought it back. Yeah. Ah, see, look at that. Bam. Fuck, dude. [44:10] Wow. Fucking Wiki Lee over here. So don't you have a tree that's 300 years old? Yes, I do. Over 300. Wow. I have two of them that are over 300 years old. So someone was working on them over 300 years ago. [44:27] Well, I... [44:28] Either that or it was collected maybe 100 years ago, and then over that time it's just constantly been cut back and cut back. But it's a part of a tree that's 300 years ago.

Yeah, it's still the same tree, but it's always getting its roots cut. Is that it? Is that your tree, the 300-year-old tree? No, no, no. That's just a small juniper that I have. [44:58] The 300-year-old one is a Redwood. [45:02] It's fucking trunk on it's like this and it's smashed into a pot about this big. That seems rude. It's about that way. For Redwood, it seems rude. Because if you go to like Northern California and you go to the Redwood Forest, they're fucking spectacular. [45:19] Those things are wild. Insane. That redwood forest is so incredible.

There's the one that you drive through. Yeah. They caught a hole in it in the 1920s or whatever. It's really fucked. I can't believe they did that. But the tree's still alive, and you drive through the tree. [45:36] It's so crazy. [45:39] Yeah, that one I showed... [45:41] not too long ago in an exhibition. Oh, so you go to bonsai shows. Yeah, I just started entering some of my trees that I've been working on. I've done two so far. Just now, like just this year, entered a couple of trees. That's awesome.

The rest of these other seven years or eight years of practicing is just learning, you know. What a cool hobby. Yeah, it's fucking rad, dude. It really is. It's also like the complete opposite of being a rock star. [46:11] Totally... [46:13] Like, what a great balancing tool. You know? I know, man. It's interesting because a lot of, you know, my peers, musical buddies, like, all of them are super interested. They're like, dude, what's up with the bonsai? Like, they're curious. They want to know. Yeah. Because maybe they've seen me, you know, maybe change a little bit over the years.

Or they've seen how much joy it fucking brings me. Yeah. I think I want some of that. [46:43] Well, there's something about like a Zen garden that you associate with like bonsai and peacefulness and clarity. Yes. You know, just peace of mind. Yes. Just clean mind. Like your mind is pure. You're like, you're really in the moment. [46:59] rather than just... [47:00] being a fucking mess ordering uber eats you know what i mean yeah it's like there's something that that's very spiritually attractive to people about the those practices yes and and that and that's it too it it really has a lot to do with sort of the the the culture of all of it like when you start going down that hole about design and all that stuff you start to you start to realize that [47:30] is with such fucking purpose.

Like, you'll notice, you know, and I didn't notice this stuff until later. I was like, oh, I get it now. There's serious rules about how they build a Zen garden. You'll never find a straight path. [47:47] Ever. I don't care how far you look, you'll never find a straight path going through a Zen garden. They specifically and strategically curve the path. [47:59] to slow you down. When you get to, when you get, as soon as you walk into a garden, the number one problem [48:06] objective is to [48:08] get you to slow the fuck down.

[48:11] and there's no straight path and everything you don't nothing becomes revealed to you until you come around that corner so you're always even if they're if you're going across a lake or a pond there's never a straight very rarely a straight bridge it's either arced or the bridge zigzags [48:34] across [48:37] There's never a straight line. And what that's meant to do is get you to stop at each point. [48:44] corner [48:45] and look out and just take it in and fucking be present. And that's, to me... [48:51] It's like that's the deeper meaning of all this for me.

It's really got me to slow the fuck down because everything is just kind of all the time. [49:05] that [49:06] It's just... I don't know how to explain it. It's hard to explain that state, but that's what I get from it. And every day, it's the best way to start. Start your day, man. It can only... [49:20] get fucking amazing after that because you're you kind of set yourself up for having a fucking super rad day like i do know what i mean like yeah yeah like i'm good let's go right well it makes sense i mean there's something about those zen gardens it's so attractive to people yes it's obvious there's something going on with that design with that flow of nature and the way it's artistically pieced together it's very exciting to people and you see it man i don't know if you've [49:50] You see it in a lot of them like newer architecture a lot of fucking designs and homes are being built with that sort of very minimal Japanese [50:02] flavor that is just meant to have your home be a peaceful place and not like a fucking museum or this or that.

[50:12] Yeah. Yeah. It's more it's more peaceful in the actual design itself versus like some house with big, giant ass fucking windows overlooking the big city and fucking rocks everywhere. And like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I've had that. I've done that before with the house on the top of the hill with the views. And I mean, the view is just kind of view doesn't really do anything. It's very different than having, you know, a beautiful winding. [50:42] sanctuary to cruise through. [50:46] I think nature is very therapeutic. And if you can put nature in an artistic form like a Zen garden, it's very therapeutic.

[50:54] But that's a way better view. The view of nature is always a way – look, whenever I go to New York City and I'm staying in a hotel and I'm in the middle and you'll see all the buildings, like, wow, this is crazy. You're in the center of it. This is fucking dope. But I don't want to live there. Right, right. I like to visit. I don't think it's good for me, at least. I don't think it's good for my headspace to live there. I like to see trees. I like to see nature.

I like to see green. I like to see things that are alive. That makes me feel better. Yeah. It's funny, dude. [51:24] I think I was a fucking tree, like in a past life, because I'm like, maybe you were a tree, too. I'm like you. Like, I don't know if you're like this. [51:36] gnarly about it but every time I go into a city the first thing I look at is the trees [51:44] Like, whether it's a big city, wherever, I'll find the tree because that's the first thing I'm looking for.

I don't look at the buildings. I don't look, you know, up and down. I'm always like looking for the tree. [51:59] Yeah. It's just... [52:01] I don't know, man. Well, human beings are very connected to plants. We're very connected to nature, period. It's one of the most brilliant things that the designers of New York City did is make Central Park. [52:10] have that giant park it's an enormous park in the center of the city i was staying at a hotel last year and it was like on the edge of the park and like from the window you look out you see the whole park like straight like this is fucking incredible that they did that because it's so big and it's it's just trees it's just trees and paths and little lakes and everything and go wander around like hey get the fuck out of these buildings for a while and it's like for a person [52:40] is gigantic.

I don't know what percentage of people take advantage of it, but they should all, it would make them all better. It would all feel better. It's a little center retreat, man. Wow, an amazing one. It's fucking huge. How many acres is Central Park? [52:55] Let's find that out. Let's guess. I'm going to guess. 1,000 acres? 1,000. [53:03] If I had to guess, maybe 2,000 acres? How big is it? [53:07] 843 acres. So it's this amazing, huge park in the center of the biggest city in the world.