#2524 - Rupert Lowe

[00:00] the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day thank you for being here I really appreciate it it's my pleasure and thank you to Brett Weinstein Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk [00:18] For helping connect us. We are going to see Elon on Sunday. So he's been an incredible support for us. [00:25] So I don't know how you want to play the I'm totally in your hands. I'll follow your lead. [00:31] But, I mean, he's been helping us because Britain's in bad shape. Yeah, and that's why you're here.

And this is what we're talking about. Well, the rape gang, we've crowdfunded this, which I'm very happy to talk to you about. Just the title of that, Rape Gang... [00:49] report. The idea that there's actual rape gangs in the UK in 2026... [00:56] And it's... [00:57] Is it being ignored? Is it being downplayed? Like, how is it being received by the media and by the politicians over there? [01:10] after the war [01:11] decided they were going to [01:13] play a part in Europe, a bigger part in Europe, our elite did, the British elite.

And to do that, they had to basically diminish the power of the nation-state and they had to head towards this European super-state, which is the EU, the genesis of which was obviously a monopoly. Why did they have to diminish the power of the nation to do that? Because I think Britain was a proud nation-state. With the American help, we'd won the war. And [01:38] we hadn't been invaded or conquered, which most of Europe had been. So you'd had mass dislocation in Europe. Huge numbers of people had been dislocated and... [01:49] pushed all over Europe.

And I think the socialists, I was in the European Parliament, so I spent a brief time [01:55] as an MEP, a member of the European Parliament, when we finally achieved, well, a kind of Brexit. We can talk about that, but it wasn't a proper Brexit. So I think the genesis of the rape gangs, going back to this, was the fact that multiculturalism was the order of the day. They wanted open borders. They wanted a multicultural society. [02:26] Then, obviously, we had the Kaiser. Then we had Hitler. And I think they saw it that way, the Monets, the Spinellis, and the people who constructed the European Union.

So, to... [02:37] To the rape gang report, which was your question, ultimately... [02:41] The genesis of that is this multicultural invasion almost of Europe. [02:54] was on purpose and it was on purpose to sort of diminish the idea of nationalism yes [02:59] I think that, well, I'm... [03:01] And so this was like a long plan. So this was something that they must have had to sit down and like who would be involved in this sort of a discussion where you would be willing to – [03:12] diminish patriotism, diminish this idea that Britain by itself is exceptional and the people are exceptional.

It was a long, deceitful plan. So I always say – Who implemented it? The European elites – [03:26] in league with our elite, who effectively, if you remember in 1975, we joined what was called the European Economic Community. It wasn't effectively anything other than an economic union. But that very quickly changed and effectively they tried to politically integrate Europe. That failed and then in 1997 they tried to force it through with the introduction of the euro. So having failed politically, they tried to do it financially. [03:56] That was my first [03:59] foray into standing as a member of parliament to fight to save the British pound because once you lose your currency effectively you lose your your sovereignty and national identity and our gold reserves were going to be shipped out to Germany to Frankfurt and we would have become a vassal state part of the European Union it would have been irreversible but in the event we thanks to Sir James Goldsmith we secured enough votes we forced the establishment to promise a referendum [04:29] and we ended up saving the pound, which in the end resulted in the referendum in 2016, where the British people voted to take back their sovereignty, which ultimately I think the establishment always knew that the core, the body of Britain, or the body of England in particular, wanted its own accountable parliament in Westminster.

It didn't want to be part of an unaccountable European socialist protectionist super-state. [04:53] So the... [04:55] quote-unquote elites in Britain and the elites in the United States. It's coordinated with both of them. I think less so in America, Joe. I can't speak for America, although when you look at what the Democrats did with USAID and all the stuff that was going on under Joe Biden, you have to wonder whether they began with the World Economic Forum to play a part in this. But I think the post-war plan for Europe was founded on a socialist principle, [05:25] Uh, [05:26] a very sound...

[05:29] politically based structure based on obviously, you know, the founding fathers and your constitution, which I always think returns power to the individual and has always understood that the dangers are status dangers, not individual dangers. So I'm very much in the camp. I like the individual and a minimal state. And I think that's much more in your DNA than it is in the European DNA, [05:59] Did this on purpose and they brought in people from what country specifically? Well, initially you got in Britain, you got people from Africa. You got the Windrush generation.

So you got a lot of Africans came ostensibly to fill jobs that they always say the British people don't want to do. And it gathered momentum. It was relatively slow to start with. [06:29] the UK, you had open borders in Europe. So one of the absolute embedded rules they have is this freedom of movement concept. So they don't have effectively national borders. But we still obviously had the channel, but we embraced this and we started this immigration. What happened is it gradually happened, and I think these rape gangs have been going on, or we know they have, [06:59] But when Tony Blair got in and he undermined...

[07:03] a lot of constitutional sort of historical law, you got an acceleration of immigration from other parts of the world, not just from Europe, but also from other countries, South Asian countries in particular, who came to the UK. And the genesis of the rape gangs really is, I think, the cultural oil and water mix of [07:28] these people coming from what I call clannish societies in South Asia and [07:35] joint coming to very high trust societies such as the one we had and the one you have here, which have taken thousands of years to develop.

[07:43] So the high-trust societies were a Lee Kuan Yew-based society. [07:47] Singapore on post-war Britain where you had honesty boxes for newspapers in London. And you had a country that was completely at peace with itself. So it won the war, it respected peace, it respected freedom. And people were rebuilding their lives, having fought a second world war to... [08:05] to free Europe from sort of, in this case, Germany. Previously, we'd done it at Waterloo when we relieved Europe of the French with Napoleon. So it really accelerated after 1997 when a lot of the legislation that Tony Blair and his cohorts passed, such as the Human Rights Act, which embeds within it the ECHR.

He created the Supreme Court. [08:35] acts they passed which effectively [08:39] empowered a multicultural society, which in some ways, I think, damaged the interests of the British people. So and you think this is on purpose. And this is my point is what is the benefit for them? [08:54] to be joined up with the rest of Europe. Is it just purely financial? Is it a power-based strategy where if you can diminish the quality of life for people and institute more laws and put more restrictions on them, you can control them easier and it's – [09:10] less pushback for the politicians, less pushback for the people that are in charge.

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And so how did it deteriorate to the point where they're arresting 12000 people a year for social media posts? It's Joe, it's shocking. And this is why I have got involved in politics. I've been involved in politics since I fought the Maastricht Treaty and then stood, as I said, in 97. I did a lot for business for Sterling, a lot for vote leave. Then I stood for the Brexit party and I was elected there. [12:43] furnishes individualism, to the extent that now I find myself at the age of 68 as an MP, running a party called Restore Britain to try and reverse this tide to re-empower the individual, to return to our original constitution, and to protect the interests above all else of the British people to whom I think government should be accountable.

Do they still have that kind of unchecked immigration? Is it currently ongoing? [13:13] vote. They can't be under the current laws and treaties that we're part of. They're not being deported. The judges, thanks to the creation of the Supreme Court, they are now a quango, a woke quango. I think a lot of our judiciary is corrupt. So the answer to your question is we still have illegal migration. [13:35] and we have people living in Britain illegally, we have a lot of foreign prisons in our country, [13:41] in our prisons. [13:43] And we have people who've come in under various waves of immigration, one of which, the biggest of which was probably under Boris Johnson, who was actually a conservative prime minister, who allowed...

[13:55] thousands, hundreds of thousands of people to come into Britain. And basically, they are now a burden to the British taxpayer. So the answer to your question is they're arriving illegally still. They're living here illegally or living in Britain illegally still. We've got foreign criminals in our prisons, and we've still got the legacy of this huge amount of immigration which took place. And are a large percentage of these people receiving welfare from the British government? Yes. [14:26] Well, most of the people who arrive, they're all supported, Joe. I mean, they're put into hotels.

So immediately, as soon as you get there? In Parliament, I see the contracts. Thanks to my parliamentary questions, I'm allowed to ask questions and scrutinize the contracts for, for instance, the Bibi Stockholm. It was a boat which cost the British taxpayer one and a half billion pounds. It's actually now lying redundant and not being used. [14:55] in terms of the laundry services they get, in terms of the taxi services they get, in terms of the food they require. I mean, literally, it is like staying in a very comfortable hotel. And we've now got these people being settled all across our country.

How many? In hotels. Well, I don't think the government knows, Joe, in answer to your question. I don't think they know how many people are living in Britain illegally. [15:20] Was it a similar situation that America had over the last four years where on the low number they think it was 10 million people came in? [15:28] Which is insane. [15:29] It's an insane amount of people to come in in four years. We think there's enough work to do initially to detain and deport people who are arriving illegally. I mean, to my mind, illegal means illegal.

So it's fairly straightforward. [15:43] To the people who are arriving illegally, people living here illegally, the foreign criminals, there's plenty of work to do to remove them from Britain. And then I think we need to turn our attention, and that's in our mass deportation document. [15:59] the constitutional reasons why we have a problem, how we correct those constitutional issues, and how we then practically detain and deport the people who aren't supposed to be here. And once we've done that, we will then turn our attention to people who are living in Britain, to your point, who are on welfare, who are going to cost the taxpayer a fortune for the rest of their lives probably, who aren't working, who are culturally different to us, [16:29] Christian religion and are increasingly living in small groups of people who haven't integrated, who are living under Sharia law and who have their own courts.

They have their own court. They have their own court, Sharia courts, yes. A parallel legal system. [16:46] Okay, so it's an unrecognized by the British government parallel legal system that exists inside of England. It's tolerated. Tolerated. It's tolerated. So they're aware of it. Yes. And they're aware of the punishments that this court dishes out? It's rather like they're policing their own people under their own laws. And they're just allowing that? They're allowing that, yeah. Whoa. [17:07] Now, I believe, I don't know about you, but I believe if you come to our country, you should live...

[17:11] under our laws. Well, yeah. I mean, the idea of [17:15] Thank you. [17:16] Well, the United States in particular is a melting pot. And people come from all over the place, and it's one of the cool things. There's all these different cultures. [17:24] There's certain cultures that if you allow them to come into your community and then they institute the laws of the country where they came from, you're going to have a real problem. Like they – [17:36] don't live the way you live. They don't have the same respect for women that you have.

They don't treat them the same way. They don't allow dogs. Like there's a lot of like stuff that a lot of people might not even be aware that come with that problem. It's like, [17:52] The idea is supposed to be that Western society is inclusive and progressive because we're intelligent and educated and we care. [18:00] But you can care so much that you let in criminals. [18:05] And then you give those criminals all your money and then the criminals can take over your country slowly but surely. And this is the – no one thinks that's a possible thing.

[18:15] People look at the Colosseum, you look at ancient Greece, and they think, wow, I wonder what happened to those guys. What do you think happened? Probably the same shit that's happening right now to England, the same shit that could have happened to America. [18:29] Civilizations fall apart for various reasons. And one great way to get them to fall apart is to bring in a bunch of people, and they don't have to follow your laws, and they bring the laws of – [18:41] You know, wherever they're from, whatever, whatever. [18:44] fundamentalist religion country they're from where they have a bunch of crazy laws that are kind of archaic.

[18:51] Well, this is Sharia law, Islamic law, as you probably know. I mean, again, to your point, I think the best example I can give people of what happens if you do that is when Lebanon got its independence in 1948. They were a Christian country. [19:10] and they were very confident country that they were you know that best universities they had a very open society I never went to Beirut I don't know if you you went to Beirut but Beirut in the 60s was meant to be the best place on earth to be great wine freedom [19:26] very enlightened.

It was a great... Lots of people were there. The minute that the Muslim population went over about 15%, you started to get... [19:37] a problem with civil war. You've got the Druze and Maronite Christians in a civil war with the Muslims. And now [19:46] Lebanon is a Muslim country. [19:49] and Hezbollah, backed by Iran, is effectively running the show. So, to your point, I couldn't agree more. And the Rape Gang report, which we've written, was crowdfunded by 20,000 concerned English people who... [20:05] We raised not a huge amount of money.

We raised about £600,000 in varying quantities people gave and... [20:13] we... [20:14] did it because the government will not have a statutory inquiry. So our government, and particularly the Labour Party, have been presiding over this because it goes to... [20:24] the Muslim bloc vote. So we have in the UK a system of postal voting. And in a lot of the inner cities and the places where these Islamic populations live, [20:36] They are... [20:37] or have historically voted Labour. That's beginning to change, they're beginning to vote for Muslim independence now, and I sit with some of them at the back of Parliament.

So, [20:47] Effectively, this inquiry we did, we set out with a completely... [20:54] unbiased. [20:55] view of what we would find. And we did it because we were pushing the government to have a statutory inquiry. [21:02] and a lot of [21:05] The reason I got involved in it was I think it was Elon Musk who triggered it. He talked about it because a lot of people in the UK, I don't think, know the extent to which this has been happening and the length of time it's been happening for. [21:18] This episode is brought to you by OnX Off-Road.

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[22:47] and in the report we cover this we've covered the reasons why it's so serious and and you want me even cover as you quite rightly say the fact that [22:57] dogs are not liked by the Islamic faith, largely because Mohammed liked cats, he didn't like dogs. And what we wanted to do was [23:08] interview victims, which we did. We did it properly. It took us over a year. We had a rape gang victim, Sammy Woodhouse, who led it. She's got a child by her rapist. And we had a team of people.

[23:22] And we literally produced the witness bundles and we listened to the witnesses. And then we had a two-week hearing in London where people gave evidence and we had a proper barrister who effectively presided over it and then... [23:38] helped us write the report. [23:40] It's effectively Graham Smith, the barrister, did a fantastic job. [23:44] And we didn't start out with any preconceived ideas. It started because we read some court transcripts of some of the people who've been found guilty of this, which the government, by the way, has tried to keep quiet.

Some of the historical court transcripts. [24:00] disappear [24:01] So, we've been calling for these transcripts to be kept now. We've actually tried to make a noise about that. And the more we read this and the more we... [24:13] carried on with the rape gang inquiry, the more it became clear to us that [24:19] Obviously, there's a link. [24:21] between this power [24:23] and the abuse and grooming and, if you like, damage that was done to white working class English girls. And it does go, and in the report we've looked at the reasons why, to your point, there is a cultural difference of opinion between an open, high-trust Christian view of women particularly and the Islamic view of women, which is all in the report.

[24:53] woman. [24:54] accuses somebody of rape [24:56] And a lot of these Muslims come... [24:58] from Pakistan, Joe. They're predominantly Pakistan, and they're predominantly from one part of Pakistan called Mirpur. There are some from Bangladesh, there are some from Somalia, there are some from Eritrea. There are other Muslim countries that perpetrate some of this. And of course, there are white people who perpetrate rape as well, but nothing on the scale of this. This is... [25:22] This is quite horrific. [25:24] Our report has effectively uncovered this. I think we've played a part with this report in the government saying that they're going to have now a statutory inquiry because we didn't have any statutory powers to be able to force people to appear at our hearing.

They all appeared voluntarily. The government can actually force people legally to appear. They can actually make it a legal requirement that people attend. We couldn't do that. [25:49] But... [25:52] There had been reports in the past. There was the J report in 2014, and there's been the Casey report. [26:00] all of which confirmed that this was happening, and the state still continued to try and pretend it was just happening in a small number of siloed areas where you obviously had a high Islamic population. [26:14] the state has equally failed to collect information.

[26:17] data [26:18] on the crimes that are perpetrated, so the ethnicity of the people who are perpetrating the crimes, and from there you can extrapolate once you've got the data as to whether or not you've got an extraordinary problem in one particular section of society. [26:32] And again, using my parliamentary questions, I've been forcing as much disclosure as I can get. And this is how we've discovered that a lot of the data that should be being collected by the police, particularly by the National Health Service, by social services, a lot of the data has not been properly collected, possibly because the state does.

[26:53] I think, know that this is happening. But they don't want to admit that their multicultural experiment, which, as you probably know, famously Enoch Powell warned would fail, with his speech, the Rivers of Blood speech, [27:07] for which he was heavily criticised. So I think they do know, but they don't want to admit it. They don't want to be called racist. They don't want to... And this has permeated the whole of British society. Since Tony Blair, people are frightened to be accused of... [27:23] effectively being [27:26] biased and white and we're taught about things you probably i don't know you have it here unconscious bias and and all of the other sort of what i call yeah woke dei driven uh rubbish which which has permeated britain in the same way i think it may have originally come from from you guys but it's yeah it's it's certainly had a huge effect on us i think it had a great grip on us for a few [27:56] And I think a big part of it was Elon buying Twitter where you got legitimate free speech, which is, again, back to this 12,000 people getting arrested each year for social media posts recently.

That is – how is that tolerated? I just don't understand how people aren't – I was about to say up in arms, but that's also part of the problem is that – [28:17] No one's armed over there. We are. Well, I have actually got some guns, Joseph, because I have a farm. So when you come to the UK, I hope you'll come and shoot some pheasants with me. Oh. But if you don't have a farm... [28:29] Well, if you don't have a farm, you'll find it very difficult to get [28:32] gun of any kind and even if you have a farm so reform tried to politically assassinate me uh uh in in in 25 early 25 and made false accusations about me threatening to hit one of the zia yusuf in a meeting and somebody was saying i went around parliament saying i was a very good shot and i was going to shoot zia yusuf i mean if you believe that i'm i've got a completely clean record i employ lots of people i have lots of businesses and i've never had an issue but listen four-armed

[29:02] Took all my guns away. I mean, and I'm a member of parliament. I said to them, guys, you could have just called me up and we could have talked about it. But no. Wow. They turned up. Just from an accusation. 9.30 at night. [29:14] left at quarter to twelve we got them on the cameras took all my guns, all my ammo [29:20] And it took me five or six months to get them all back. [29:23] But look, so they don't want the public. [29:28] to have guns [29:30] and they are doing their very best to damage the shooters who...

[29:36] perfectly legitimately like to go and shoot clay pigeons, who like to go and shoot game, who like to go and hunt. Effectively, they're trying to make that very difficult through the licensing laws for guns. [29:50] As you probably know, they banned handguns. The 90s, right? In the late 90s because there was a murder up in Dunblane. [29:57] One murder. One murder. So everybody, my father used to shoot pistols for Oxford University, and he's dead now, bless him, but he had, all his pistols were taken away. The pistols he used to shoot with at Oxford University.

I mean, we now have a society which needs radical change, and we need to release the individual. [30:27] just a very... [30:30] emotional social media post which she deleted after four hours about the Southport killings where where this chap Axel Rudakabana [30:40] went and knifed [30:42] three young girls and killed them. [30:44] Despite the fact that the British state through Prevent was aware of this, and we've had a similar case recently with Henry Novak where, again, it was actually, I think, on this occasion a Sikh, stabbed him. [30:58] And the police...

[30:59] despite the fact when they arrived at the scene, he told them he'd been stabbed. The police didn't believe him. [31:06] and they tried to handcuff him. And as a result of that... [31:10] it's arguable that they opened up the wound, the stab wound, and he drowned in his own blood. Meanwhile his murderer, [31:17] was never handcuffed. [31:19] So this is where the British state's gone completely wrong. So instead of one law for everybody and one policing for everybody, this sort of view that the white population is racist, which I don't personally believe them to be, I think Britain is...

[31:38] is a very tolerant country. Do you think that this perspective... [31:42] that society sort of adopted in the UK about white people being bad. Do you think this was – [31:50] There was architecture to it? This was by design? That this was done? Or is this just a natural response to people being called racist? Because of course in the past there was more racism than there is today and people always want to point to that racism as – [32:08] evidence of colonialism, evidence of whatever it is that happened in days past.

[32:15] Why in England do you think that narrative took hold so well? Because I think, Joe, to your point, that this post-war plan for multiculturalism, I think they realized that they've got a problem. So part of it was probably infiltrating the universities and promoting these kind of ideas. It's almost as if with the World Economic Forum, there's this view that – [32:41] The Anglo-Saxon nations have commanded and dominated too much of the world's resources, and there's almost like this misguided altruistic view that... [32:51] we should become more concerned with global welfare rather than the welfare of our own citizens, which I...

[32:57] totally disagree with. Well, there's also the you will own nothing and you will be happy. This is your Klaus Schwab palpable nonsense. Which is hilarious if someone would even say that out loud. I know. You own nothing and you will be happy? I know. Is this a... [33:12] part of an Orwell book? Because this doesn't seem like a real person would say something like that, because who the fuck is going to listen to that? It doesn't make any sense. [33:21] Well, George Orwell was being rather accurate in terms of his prediction.

He was dead on. He was actually pretty optimistic. Like, his version of the world was... [33:29] you know, a little bit more palatable than what we're dealing with right now. Interesting man, Old Etonian, fought in the Spanish Civil War. I mean, he was a... [33:38] A very quirky Englishman who clearly had a hugely prescient foresight, and I think probably certainly like me, he had a healthy disrespect for... [33:50] what I call collectivist statism. And he was a very much an individual and a believer in the individual. [33:58] It's really interesting because when I first read that book was in high school and I kept thinking like what a crazy – this had never happened.

This is not even possible. But what a crazy world this guy has created in his imagination of things going completely haywire. And then you realize as time goes on, oh, that's totally possible. It's totally possible that things can get that ridiculous. [34:28] all the craziness that we deal with today, the open border situation, no one's illegal on stolen land. Hey, fuck off. Like, what are we doing? Like, what is this? [34:38] Well, it's almost if... [34:40] if we're subverting all the things that made us great yeah and you know there's nothing wrong with immigration but there's it's probably a good idea to make sure no someone's on a fucking murder before you let them in like the idea that there should be no border at all is like if the world was perfect that sounds wonderful if the world was perfect everybody paid their taxes and everybody followed the laws why have borders clearly it's not perfect you know go to [35:08] Go to Pakistan.

Go to Karachi. Go hang out. Go down the street as a woman in a miniskirt and see how that works out. Go to some places in the world. Again, Joe, this is – you're quite right. This is – I mean Pakistan is, I think – It's a wild place. It's an example of a rogue state basically, and I think their view of, as you say, women who dress in ways other than the ways of Sharia, e. totally covered. Yes. [35:38] various of the Hadiths, which we quote in the Rape Gang report, they are considered to be meat.

And this is something I've never understood. How do you square this circle of this sort of clannish, backward-looking culture, which comes to a highly open, high-trust society and then embeds itself within that society and undermines everything that we've achieved over a thousand years? And acknowledging that as somehow or another racist. [36:08] acknowledging that some cultures are superior is somehow another racist. But just understanding human rights, understanding the rights of individuals to be free, to not be subjected to other people's [36:20] archaic laws. And this is, look, a lot of cultures in this world live as people lived thousands of years ago.

No one in the United States wants to live as people lived thousands of years ago. No one. [36:33] And this is not a racist thing. [36:35] You should be able to come over here and practice whatever religion you want. But if your religion has rules that violate the laws that we've all agree are just and fair, then you're not integrating. And if you take over a whole town and now that town is subject to these archaic laws, we've got a problem. And if you let that problem get bigger and bigger, they take over the country.

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It was Margaret Thatcher who was very strong on this. And you have to have laws to protect liberty. But what you also have to have is everyone should be equal under the law. Yes. And to your point, I couldn't agree more. I mean, Britain used to be a very tolerant society. So, for instance, Europe was very anti-Semitic. Britain was never anti-Semitic. We used to welcome a lot of Jews and Protestants from Europe who were being persecuted, particularly in France with the Protestants. [39:39] came. [39:40] integrated and they contributed. And that is the essence, I think, of sensible immigration.

So it should be limited, targeted, and it should be only people who accept your religion and your culture and your laws. But what do you do, though, if someone comes over here and then they... [39:56] They're not violating laws. They're not violating any laws. They achieve citizenship, but then they start bringing over more and more people and then start instituting Sharia law. What do you do? Do you deport them all? Like how do you – like this idea of having all these people, recognizing how many people got in illegally, deporting them, mass deportations, deporting criminals – [40:19] It all sounds great until you talk about actually implementing it.

Like how do you do that? How are you doing that? Are you going to knock on people's doors and pull them out of their homes and ship them back to where they came from? How do you do that? I think the first thing you do is you stop them coming across the channel. They shouldn't be coming anywhere under international law because they're traveling across safe countries, so they shouldn't be coming. What's the estimate of the amount of illegal immigration that you have in Britain? [40:49] but in our paper, I mean, we think it's sort of 1.8 to 2 million people, probably.

That's our estimate. But people arriving, we know how many are arriving. There's a lot arriving every day, particularly when the [41:03] the sea is calm. How many arrive every day? They're coming, well it can vary, I mean you can get a thousand in a day, you can get, if the sea is rough you get none because obviously they suffer if they try and cross in little overcrowded dinghies that they can't get across. But we're paying the French over half a billion pounds a year to try and stop it. That I think is not happening.

And as a result of that, you know, our border [41:29] Border Patrol picks them up, gives them bottles of water, brings them in and settles them in hotels and places. [41:37] pays them welfare. They become, and then they apply for residency and they say they're asylum seekers. I argue most of them are economic migrants. But you know, our woke culture is not protecting the interests of the British people. And it's also a massive incentive. If you live in a terribly poor country and you can just get to England and then instantaneously you will get money and housing.

That's right. Why would you not do that? [42:05] Well, not only that, you go to the top of the waiting list for dental treatment, which British people don't get. The NHS go to the top of the waiting list. Wait a minute. They get... [42:14] They get access to dental treatment that the British people don't get? Correct. Why? Why do immigrants get access to it? This, Joe, is the mystery of what our... [42:25] leaders, I don't know what they think they're doing, but they have this misguided view that these people are, actually they call them asylum seekers, they say they need to be looked after and protected.

They're not, they're economic migrants. And to your point, if they know there's welfare when they reach Britain, they'll travel across multiple safe countries to get to the welfare, the free housing, and all the other stuff. And then, [42:50] Unless you deal with issues like the rape gangs and you force them to adhere to UK law and respect our laws, our culture and our religion, they gradually set up their own cultures and their own laws, as I said. And there are large tracts of the country now where we've got these Islamic settlements, which – [43:14] which effectively operate almost as a sort of parallel society.

I don't know whether it's quite the same here, whether you've got the similar thing with the Somalis in Minnesota. You do in Dearborn, Michigan. Dearborn, Michigan just had a gigantic Islamic parade where you just see tens of thousands of people holding flags and walking on the street. And it's kind of crazy. It's crazy. And Dave also, one of the things that's funny about Dearborn is all the progressives. [43:44] liberal place. They're like, welcome, welcome, everyone's welcome for all cultures. And as soon as they got into power, they banned the pride flag.

[43:53] That was the first thing they did. [43:54] Well, I'm afraid they have quite strong views on that sort of thing. Oh, yeah, that's why, yeah, Queers for Palestine is always hilarious. And then you see the meme Palestine for Queers, and it's throwing people off roofs. Well, it's like the chap who runs our Green Party is a gay Jew. So, I mean, again, he's going to have a problem if these guys get anywhere near power. But that doesn't seem to put the progressives off. They still seem to be. [44:24] Their society is complete, like Islamic society, is completely patriarchal.

The women are absolutely second class citizens. They have completely different laws for how the women can dress. What happens to the woman if someone has sex with, if someone has, first of all, if they commit adultery, they could be killed. Stoned. Stoned to death. Yeah. And I watched a horrible video where a father did it to his daughter. [44:53] Yes, well, you do get these killings. Honor killings. Honor killings, yeah. Or brothers, the brother will kill the daughter if the daughter shamed the family. It's like, hey, guys, how are you progressive when you're supporting this?

And it's because the concept of not being racist, not being called racist, the fear of that is so strong. They're willing to adopt all sorts of things that are the complete antithesis of everything they believe in. [45:23] me that they never seem to say anything about these what I call clannish tribal cultures who have a completely different view of women. And to your point, again in our report, a woman, if she accuses in Pakistan a man [45:39] of rape. [45:41] she has to have four male witnesses who actually... [45:47] have to witness and swear that they've seen her being penetrated by the rapist.

And you've actually got women in prison because if she can't, [45:57] prove [45:58] that she's been raped under those rules, then she can be sent to prison. And there are many women languishing in Pakistani prisons for that very reason. And this is the sort of extraordinary cultural oil and water which just doesn't mix. It's also the mental gymnastics that you have to have to accept that as a part of Britain. And because you're progressive is really crazy. [46:28] can completely defy logic, completely defy common sense. And just you have a set of rules that you're supposed to adhere to.

If you deviate from those rules, you're a racist. You don't want to be a racist, right? Then everyone's welcome. [46:43] As you say, it's honor killings, it's tribal, your first loyalty is to your tribe and your family. [46:51] not your host country who's actually got their own laws. There are all sorts of... [46:59] Hadith rulings which they can use to justify it. I mean, for instance, if they rape a white person, [47:08] girl, that doesn't count. [47:10] in their [47:11] in their view of life as adultery. [47:13] so they are effectively taught that [47:17] a girl who doesn't dress as they would dress, [47:20] is.

[47:21] is meat to be abused. And they have these extraordinary sort of cultural views that are completely incompatible, in my view, with a society like ours where, you know, we are a matriarchal society which respects women. I think we have grown to respect women. Obviously, they've now got an omnipotent position within our society, certainly in the UK. I'm sure it's true here too and quite right. They play a part in our society. [47:51] very, very important part of everything. But again, under... [47:56] you know, the Islamic code, I think that the Muslims are frightened of female sexuality.

It's all there. And as you know, you get FGM, female genital mutilation. So these cultures, I think, Joe, and to your point, are just incompatible unless you have a very strong government which [48:22] basically protects [48:24] its electorate from any subversive behavior which is not compatible with our values. [48:29] You keep using the term meat. Is that how they actually refer to it as that? That's that's how they consider it. Yeah. What do they say? Like, how are they? That's it's in it's in our report that that's that there was actually I think it was I think it was.

Is it a translation? I think Thomas Jefferson. Actually, it's in our report asked. [48:47] the Barbary pirates about the way in which they treated their slaves and their women. That was particularly slaves. They just also slavery is accepted within Islamic countries. So I think they have their own codes. They have their own terms of reference. And there is a quote in there. [49:09] I'd have to... [49:10] look at the report to give it to you, but where one of them does liken [49:15] white girls not dressing as Muslim girls dress and he does liken it to

[49:23] Meat. [49:24] Jesus and you know [49:27] That is an analogy he used. So, I mean, yeah, I think that's what they think. [49:32] So this rape gang inquiry report that you have just released, the number – [49:40] I want you to say it because it sounds so crazy. If I say it, people, it's going to sound wrong. [49:46] What the number of people that were victims, the estimate? Well, we've estimated that a minimum of a quarter of a million victims [49:52] uh, uh, [49:54] rapes have taken place. It's probably much, much more, Joe.

Much, much more. Because we published in here, I think it's a list of 147 [50:03] parts of the UK where this is happening. Now the government tries to tell you it's happening in Rochdale, Oldham, you know, one or two Bradford, one or two centres. And that's why their statutory inquiry, the terms of reference of that have now been downgraded. So they make it look as if it's not a systemic problem, but just a little local problem, which it isn't. [50:21] So we've listed here... [50:25] And they're all in here, the places where we know it's happening from our rape gang inquiry.

But every time we publish this, Joe, I get people... [50:34] emailing is or [50:35] sending us messages on social media to say, what about Red Ruth in Cornwall? What about it's happening here? It's happening here. It's happening here. So I think it's incredibly widespread. [50:46] and there's other people who've corroborated that quarter of a million figure. That's an incredibly conservative figure. You can't be exact because the state is not collecting the data. [50:57] which they should be doing, and we've been lobbying in Parliament to make sure that the state's collection of the data improves, and then we can actually see the extent of the problem, and you can actually pinpoint it in the same way that we've done it in this report.

[51:12] So this is I think it's linked to organized crime. I think it's linked to the drug trade. I'm pretty sure it's linked to drug trade and and obviously it's linked to prostitution. So so as usual with an evil like this and you've got girls who are. [51:30] transported round in the back of pickups and in cages. And at our rape gang inquiry, we had examples of girls who were raped by dogs and filmed. [51:45] either anally raped or vaginally raped and literally watched, filmed. And a lot of it's about servitude and about, you know, there's other stories in here about women having to lick the face, the feet of their of their rapists.

It's it's about power. [52:04] It's about servitude and it's about the fact that [52:07] Muslim men are taught to believe that they are [52:11] superior, not only to women, [52:13] but they're superior to people like yourself and myself who are considered to be a person [52:21] if you like, the infidels. [52:24] and their job is to effectively spread