#2522 - Tony Hinchcliffe

[00:00] the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day what's happening chaos I love it everything yeah [00:17] The world's crazy. The center of the storm. I think... [00:20] I think the world's back at war today again, like officially. Yeah. [00:23] Right? [00:24] I don't think that... [00:26] agreement with Iran lasted. [00:29] At all. Which one? [00:30] I think there was bombings today in Lebanon. [00:35] And I think there's bombings today in American bases. [00:40] I try to not pay attention, dude. I really do. I try to distract myself with science stuff and space stuff.

[00:48] I was watching this documentary yesterday on how they make... [00:53] chips, like how they make semiconductor chips. [00:57] Dude, this fucking machine that they use. I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because it's bananas. It's like one of the most complex machines in the world. And this machine they use to make semiconductors, make chips. And they were explaining the process of making these chips, how fucking nuts it is, man. The amount of atoms that are stacked on and the way they do it to make these super complex high-end chips.

[01:27] Tony that are doing things way different than us okay talking about sucking dicks and people shitting themselves and what's going on in other parts of the world is people are doing science fiction like they're they're actually doing science fiction. [01:47] Here it is. Give me a second. [01:50] I like to save things. Here it is. The world's most important machine. [01:57] The one that's an hour long? Yes. Did you find it? Yeah, I just found it. [02:00] an hour long. [02:01] Yeah, but just go to the – there's some animation where they show how they make these things.

Yeah. [02:07] Like, it was right where you were at. [02:10] MR. [02:10] again. [02:11] Okay, so they're just showing some of the... [02:16] The different aspects of how these things are made. Go back to where that guy had the laser beam. That's perfect, actually, where that guy had the laser beam. So this is him explaining this. So look at this. [02:26] back it up a little bit and give me some volume. [02:29] Can you back it up a little bit, please? [02:40] and you're given a laser that's strong enough to melt through metal like butter.

[02:45] Next, a tiny droplet of molten tin, roughly the size of a white blood cell, is shot out in front of you around 250 kilometers per hour. And your task is to hit this not once, not twice, but three times in a row in 20 microseconds with your little laser. [03:00] Well, that is exactly what this machine does. It hits one tiny tin droplet three times in a row, heating each one up to over 220,000 Kelvin. That's roughly [03:11] 40 times hotter than the surface of the sun. [03:14] And it doesn't just hit one droplet, [03:16] It hits [03:17] 50,000 droplets

[03:19] every single second. - How often do you miss a laser shot? [03:22] We don't miss them. - What? - You do 150,000 laser shots a second. [03:28] then you don't miss one. [03:29] Exactly. The same machine also contains mirrors that might just be the smoothest objects in the universe. If you scale one up to the size of the earth, then the largest bump would be no thicker than a playing card. What the fuck? On top of that, it is able to overlay one layer of a chip perfectly on top of another and never be off by more than five atoms.

[03:49] And this is all happening while parts of the machine whip around at accelerations of over 20 Gs. For 30 years, almost everyone thought that actually building this machine was impossible. [04:01] And yet it exists. There is only one company in the world that can make it. [04:07] So what is this company? And what is this impossible machine they've built? [04:11] This video is... [04:12] There you go. That's it. Wow. Yeah. What are they doing with that? [04:17] All computers, like computer chips that are getting better and better and better, all these AI chips, this is how they make them.

One interesting thing I can just add, I know. [04:26] When they make those, they make like a big sheet of chips, you know? [04:29] Like there'll be like 30 or 50 on them. [04:32] They'll test each one. [04:34] And the ones that are the best, like test like one out of 100, ones that are like closest to 100 become like the i9 chip. [04:40] And if it's like 85 out of 100, it becomes like the 9-7 chip. Oh, really? So they all come off the same sheet. [04:46] The best ones become the best chips to sell them for the most money.

[04:50] The next one's kind of just a little degraded. No kidding. Interesting. [04:54] So there was that issue with that Samsung chip factory, and it was about they weren't getting the results that they wanted. So it's probably they were getting more of the shitty chips and not enough of the perfect chips. Yeah, they want really high-end chips, and they're really, really hard to make. You can smoke. We have a fan in here, dude. [05:11] Um... [05:12] Yeah. [05:14] I mean... [05:15] Imagine if everybody died. [05:18] And it was just us in this room.

[05:21] And there was like three late, well, it'd be more than that. We'd have to have more people. Otherwise, we're going to fuck up the gene pool. We're all going to look like the English royals. We probably need a few thousand people. A few thousand people, like regular people, like you and I that don't know shit about how these things work. How much time would we need if we repopulated the earth with what we know? Basically, you're starting out like a fucking, like a half-assed prepper. [05:45] You know, like someone who's on an episode of Lost, you know, like one of those plane crash people trying to figure out how to survive out there.

You're fucked. Oh, yeah. You're not inventing that. Uh-uh. [05:55] How long is it going to take? [05:57] Infinity. And how many people have to pave the way? This is the thing for every one of these people that makes an invention like this. You're making this on the back of thousands and thousands and thousands of fucking super geniuses that have figured out each and every step of the way that can lead you to thinking. [06:15] Is this possible that we could do this next? They all build on each other. So you need all these guys.

[06:22] and [06:23] Hopefully they don't get any pussy because otherwise they're going to get distracted. You know, I bet if one of them gets a hot wife, like one of their patents kicks and they start making bank and then all of a sudden he shows up for work in a Ferrari. [06:37] The next thing you know, he's got a hot wife. Everybody's like, oh, my God. Yeah. [06:41] civilization just went back 100 200 years we're gonna lose tim [06:46] Yeah. [06:48] Tim's taking Adderall, coding 18 hours a day, trying to figure out how to get us to Mars.

[06:54] Actually, that's a bad point because Elon clearly gets pussy and doesn't seem to be affecting him at all. I think Elon's different. [07:01] this episode is brought to you by the farmer's dog here's a fun fact research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight [07:13] Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners?

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[09:54] There's a lot... [09:55] of that that you could point to say, right, if they had the money, they would have had the funding and they would have had that equipment in place or maybe they wouldn't have. But here's the other thing. [10:04] That's not... [10:05] discounting the fact that a lot of that money is fraud. [10:09] A lot of it. [10:10] Like it's not a little amount, and the idea that you should let it go on because it's going to save lives and there's a bunch of people that are stealing money.

Okay, I see that argument. [10:21] But... [10:22] Why are we sending them money in the first place? Did we do something to them? Do we owe them money? No? Okay, we're just being nice? Are you sure we're just being nice? Is there anybody profiting off of us being nice? Because usually just being nice for no reason and just giving tax money away for no reason, I don't think they do that. I don't think that's real. I used to think that was real. [10:43] I used to think that charity was real.

And now I look and I go, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is a giant scam that's wrapped up in virtue. It's wrapped up in a nice cozy blanket of being kind and compassionate and virtuous and doing good things for people all around the world. [10:58] I think a lot of people get involved in those things because that's what they think. We're going to do good things around the world. Good people. I really believe that. And then they find out how it really works. And then they get stuck in that system and then they're making their way up their – [11:11] you know, air quotes, corporate ladder to the point where some of them are making a million dollars a year.

And you're like, what is this? Yeah. What is this? This is a business. This isn't really charity. Most of the money is going to your employees and your overhead and your why do you have such a big building? Like, what are you doing? How come you're not just funneling the money to these people? Exactly. Would it like the A. fire aid? Yeah. Great example. [11:34] Spencer Pratt told me, what number did he say of nonprofits got that money? [11:39] So over $100 million gets raised. I don't know the exact total.

[11:43] All of it goes to these different nonprofits. I think he said 200 different nonprofits got the money. [11:51] Yeah. So – and then what happens to that? Well, they just pay their employees. They pay overhead. They pay their rent on fucking nice office on wherever they live. Fuck, man. It's so disheartening because you've – [12:04] So that's what all that – [12:06] stuff is. And it's also, if you listen to when Mike Benz has been on my podcast a few times and explains USAID, people think of it as aid.

You think of it as, oh, we're helping the world, which is great, right? But it's not that. It's the Agency for International Development. And it involves funding rap bands overseas that are the subversive rap bands that are supposed to [12:36] It funds rebels. It funds newspapers and [12:40] What was he talking about? Like there was a lot of it like funding rap music. [12:46] This is crazy. People have... [12:48] What? [12:48] Long said. [12:51] that rap music, even though, listen, [12:53] You love hip-hop. I know you just got back from Kanye West.

I'm a huge hip-hop fan. We got to talk about that at some point. We definitely do. I love hip-hop. [13:01] But there's some people that believe that gangsta rap in particular, when it came about in the 1980s, was a part of – the push to popularize it and produce it was a part of – [13:15] The government, some faction of the government, some intelligence agencies wanting to create more crime, wanting to fill more private prisons, wanting to erode the fabric of society so they could push for more laws to keep you safer.

[13:31] This is like one of the most tinfoily of tinfoil hat conspiracies. [13:36] But people are pointing out that right now is like one of the rare times where no rap music is on the charts. Yeah. And they're saying, well, how does this coincide with USAID? Was USAID like actively promoting rap music? Was that one of the reasons why rap music was so popular? Is that real? [13:55] That can't be real. Maybe back in the day. [13:58] It seems like that would be more manipulative. [14:01] I don't see how. I believed that until I heard mumble rap.

I'm like, this is not real. This is trying to make people stupid. Yeah. There's something about this. And obviously some artists are better at it than others. Some of them are fun the way they do it. But I'm saying there's a giant... [14:18] chunk of them that are... [14:20] inaudible. [14:22] Who's into this? Almost all of them are inaudible. What's going on there? Imagine if that was it. People heard Nas and this guy's too smart. [14:33] We got to dumb it down a little. Right. We got to promote some people that could barely talk.

Yeah. Yeah. [14:37] We've got to promote some people that are on cough syrup, apparently. Yeah. [14:41] Have you ever done that, Cops' Hair? No. They seem to love it. Yeah. A lot of dudes who are into that. [14:46] cough syrup, man. They swear by it. It's crazy. It's got to be fun. It's got to be enjoyable. Is it codeine? Is that what they're doing? I think so. [14:56] Have you done it, Jamie? [14:57] But we talked about this before, but I remember – [15:01] back in the 90s, [15:04] I got a hold of some NyQuil, the real NyQuil.

Like, I guess they changed the formula for NyQuil. [15:11] And I had, you know, whatever, the flu or something. And I took some NyQuil and I was laying in bed and I was like, this is wonderful. Yeah. It was wonderful. Like just the warmth, the softness of the pillows and the warmth of the bed with the covers over me. I'm like, oh, this is wonderful. And I remember thinking, ooh, this is dangerous. Oh, yeah. Like this is a dangerous feeling because if your life was shit and you found that, like that's better than anything else that's happening in your life.

Yeah. [15:42] And you can get it at CVS. Crazy. What was in the old NyQuil? [15:47] Before they switched it. [15:49] I avoid that stuff like the plague. I'm afraid of medicine. So this stuff probably was like sitting in my house if I took it. So it might have even been older than 97 or 98, whenever this was that I was sick. [16:02] But I'll never forget it. Because I never forget, like, getting scared. Yeah. [16:06] Like, I could love this. Like, I could just drink this during the day and just, like, sit on my back porch if I have the day off.

Yeah. Just get obliterated with NyQuil and just enjoy the universe. I told you about that time I took a half of the pain pill that the dentist gave me for my wisdom tooth. I was like, oh, fuck. This is life-changing. It says the earliest NyQuil formula include ephedrine... [16:28] which is a decongestant, doxyam, dox, doxilamine, doxilamine, [16:35] Sucinate. [16:36] which is an antihistamine, acetaminophen, dextromethorphan, cough suppressant, and about 25% alcohol. Oh, I was getting drunk, too. Wow. Wow. [16:49] Um... [16:50] What changed in the mid-2000s after the combat methamphetamine? There it is.

They removed pseudoephedrine. So was that the stuff? So it wasn't codeine. But I think there is NyQuil with codeine though, right? [17:04] What I had was pretty good. I don't think it was as simple. [17:10] Yeah, you had the stuff they could make meth out of or whatever. [17:13] Yeah, okay, we'll put it in perplexity. [17:17] And perplexity says... [17:19] In the mid-2000s. Yeah. NyQuil brands sold in the S. do not contain codeine, and there's never been a standard Vicks NyQuil with codeine in its active ingredient lineup. Typical NyQuil form.

So does any cough syrup have codeine in it? That's what it is. [17:36] Lena's. [17:37] They add it? [17:39] Or is it just prescription cough syrup? That was the whole thing about it. Maybe I am fucking up my memory, and maybe it wasn't NyQuil. Because whatever it was, it seemed like a... People used to get fucked up off NyQuil, but you had to drink, like, the whole bottle, you get NyQuil, like... [17:52] Just get fucked up. I definitely didn't drink the whole bottle. I know I took a dose. [17:57] Like a strong dose.

I think you're just getting fucked up off 25% alcohol and a little bit of a... Maybe. A little bit of side meth. See, the thing is, it's so long ago, I can't remember. I say NyQuil because it's like saying Q-tips or Kleenex just because it's tissues or ear swabs. [18:13] I don't know if it was NyQuil, but it was cough syrup, whatever the fuck it was. And I felt wonderful. [18:18] And I remember thinking, like, this could be a real problem. Like that one day in bed. Because I'm always scared of stuff like that.

I'm always scared to get – I knew too many people when I was growing up that got hooked on stuff. Yeah. And it just derailed their life. So lying in bed, I was like, oh, you can't do this again. No more of this. Right. I like it. Yeah. [18:36] Yeah. [18:37] I got a knee surgery once. They gave me morphine. They gave me morphine in a drip. And they say that you can only hit that button so many times it stops giving to you. Yeah. But every time you feel pain, you just hit the button.

Because I was on like a perpetual motion machine. Yeah. So my legs going. And I'm just bang, bang, bang, bang. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. We all like to find ways to save ourselves some time, like ordering out for dinner or meal prepping so you don't have to cook during the week. [19:07] looking to hire, a great time-saving hack is ZipRecruiter. Its newest feature lets you meet the most interested, qualified candidates first. Try it out free at com slash Rogan. And it doesn't just let you meet candidates faster.

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[20:46] And I'm like, and I'm jacked on laughing gas because it's not really, you're not really like cracking up. You're just like in heaven and you're like, it's kind of smiling ear to ear. And I remember going like, how long did you go to school for dental school? And he's like, whatever the answer is, like eight years. And I'm like, did you ever think about... [21:04] going longer and becoming a real doctor and i realized like kind of in the moment even though i was fucked up like that's that sounds mean but i think they're totally used to it i think they know that laughing gas makes people fuck i bet they're not used to that dude that's so mean that's what i'm saying it's like a dangerously real doctor a dangerous truth serum some people want to be dentists

[21:28] We need them too. [21:30] Yeah. [21:30] You know? Crazy gig. [21:32] Yeah. [21:33] It's a weird one. I know. You might show us a bad breath. They smell. And just weird things lodged in teeth for God only knows how long. When I got my root canal. Yeah. [21:43] One of the reasons why I had to get it is because I had a cap on my tooth or a filler, whatever it is. What's it called? [21:52] - Right, right. [21:53] No, when they just fill your tooth up? Why can't I remember?

[21:56] Fillings. Why did I say filler? Whatever. Yeah. It was an old school one. You know, it was like white plastic. And when I was a kid, I used to have them. They were like fucking lead. They used to give you lead fillings, which is crazy. Like kids had lead in their mouth. [22:12] And it was hurting. It was bothering me. So what had happened was – [22:15] I cracked the tooth and it had gotten infected underneath the filling. So he takes the filling out and drills into it. And the smell that came out of my mouth, it was it was pus.

All this pus came out and this fucking horrific smell. I was like, oh, my God, is that coming out of my mouth? Yeah. [22:39] He's like, oh, that's normal. It's decay. Right. There's an infection under here. We're going to treat it. You're going to be fine. Yeah. Piece of elk from seven years ago. That was a long time ago. That was a long time ago. It was before I was hunting, I think. But it was – [22:53] You know, people die from that stuff, which is really crazy. Like, if you don't take care of your teeth and you get that kind of infection, those kind of infections can become septic.

Yeah, well, it's nuts. Sometimes I'll do a thing where I'll water floss after I brush my teeth just to see what would have been left in there if I just did what normal humans do. Because I'm one of those high-pressure water flossers that I fucking love. Complete game-changer for life. And it's insane what will jet out of there. [23:23] between the teeth and everything. And, you know, I think for the most part, I do it before I brush. But every once in a while, I'll be like, I wonder if there's anything left in there.

[23:32] Yeah, you have to floss. You're going to get a bunch of shit stuck in there. [23:36] And even then, sometimes I'll regular floss and then brush my teeth and just out of curiosity go, I wonder if there's anything left in there. And I'll do a one silver with the water flosser and you see like, ding, ding, ding, three little things come out. It's like that would have marinated in between my teeth or in the back of my gum line or whatever. Yeah, that's not good. But according to my dentist, he thinks it's all sugar.

[23:58] He thinks if you go back and you look at when people started developing serious cavities... [24:03] People have always had... [24:05] abscesses and broken teeth and there's always been like dental problems that haunted people because back in the day man they just pull the tooth out and then who knows what kind of infection you still have in there and they don't treat it in the 1700s if you broke your tooth and got an infection you could be fucking dead you know you could die from that shit but he was saying that the the amount of cavities like steeply increased when people started putting sugar in everything [24:35] gets stuck in your teeth, he's like, I think that's the cause of it.

[24:38] Yeah, and probably high fructose corn syrup is probably just as bad or if not worse than actual sugar. That stuff is not good for your body, that's for sure. Your body doesn't like it. Someone explained to me what's the difference in the absorption of high fructose corn syrup versus natural cane sugar. I completely forget how they explained it, but they were basically saying that there's some issues with how the body breaks it down. [25:00] When you drink a soda, just think about that. Where in nature do you get 20 grams of sugar just in liquid form, and you just pump it down, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug?

Ah, refreshing. Crazy. My buddy that I went to school with just flew in from Hawaii, which is where he's lived for like 20 years. He's like a wilderness guy. Climbs trees and cuts down his own pineapples and coconuts and stuff all the time. He's got a great life. [25:30] He checked a bag this trip just a few days ago, and he brought it to the mothership because that's where we met up. And he surprised me with this checked bag that had the moldings built in and everything. It had four coconuts and two white Hawaiian pineapples, I think they're called, which run like $65 each or something in the

S. It's impossible to get. And according to him, I don't know, he's a real hippy-dippy type. Is that the dude that you brought to the mothership? Yeah, Anthony. [26:00] Yeah. Your friend from high school. Yep. Which is crazy. Yeah. He's the man. He's just a real dude. It's crazy when you know people for that long. Yeah. Yeah. [26:07] And so this dude is just living in Hawaii, living his best life. And I mean, holy shit, these fucking pineapple. He's like, dude, you're going to love this pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. He just kept going on about it.

I'm like, all right, okay. Sure enough, holy fucking shit, man. It's nature can deliver you a sugar dose. Because he was saying that white Hawaiian pineapples have higher sugar but much lower acidity than what we're used to. So it makes a whole different. [26:37] makes a whole different type of fucking fruit it's crazy sounds good wild how we have to go other places to get unbelievable shit well of course hawaii yeah hawaii really should be its own country yeah i listen i love hawaii i'm glad they're protected by the united states people are cool as fuck it should be its own country it's five hours by plane come on man yeah white pineapples [27:02] primarily known as sugarloaf or white jade pineapples.

[27:06] Highly prized rare variety grown in Hawaii. Unlike standard yellow, they feature creamy white flesh, practically no acidity, and a completely edible core. [27:17] It was great. And fucking he climbs a goddamn tree like a little fucking monkey boy. [27:23] Normal little white dude. How did he wind up in Hawaii? [27:28] He's a real free spirit. He always was. I think he just went out there, visited, and stayed. He's the kind of guy that just gets a one-way ticket places and figures it out as he goes. He's in Youngstown right now.

That shows you how adventurous and crazy he is. He's like, I'm going to spend a week and a half there. I'm like, a week and a half in Youngstown. Why is he doing that? Visit family and friends, he said. Is there a good hotel to stay at in Youngstown? No. [27:53] And I even had to look this up recently because I'm like, I'm not staying at the crazy hotel that I stayed at last time I was there. So I'm like, best hotel in Youngstown. And the funniest thing is the actual hotel.

[28:05] Closest option was in Pennsylvania, like 50 minutes away. Truly. I mean, there's one like Doubletree downtown, but it's in an area of... [28:15] absolute chaos i mean just death wish do you ever go back there and go i can't believe i grew up here always 100 of the time i got a feeling for it immediately when i went to la and i didn't hear police sirens anymore [28:30] Like... [28:31] As often, at least. You know what I mean? Isn't that funny? Like A. with 's crime. [28:36] That's what I always thought.

I'm like, oh, this is going to be crazy. I've heard these Tupac songs. This is going to be nuts. That was USAID. So peaceful. Yeah, exactly. So peaceful. In Youngstown, at least when I was growing up there, you could hear a police siren or an ambulance siren almost at any point of the day. God. God. [28:57] My buddy sent me a shirt. [28:59] Recently, too, another buddy that has the stats on it of us being the murder capital. I think it was 90, 91, and 96 per capita. Not the biggest population.

[29:13] per capita it was the most dangerous place you could be when i was in those most developmental years when a kid shouldn't be having his head next to the window yeah there it is i got that shirt [29:24] Wow. Four-time defending champion, murder capital of America. Wow. Yep. [29:31] In 01, 02, that puts me as a sophomore and junior in high school. [29:36] 95, 97, I'm 11, 12. And you're being raised by your mom. Yeah. On the north, on the craziest... [29:44] fucking area of the whole goddamn thing. The most dilapidated part of the north side of Youngstown.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. [29:51] I can't believe it. That's why, like, every part of my fucking story, I'm like, this is so goddamn weird. [30:00] So weird. It is when you think about it, right? [30:03] When you really stop and think about it, it doesn't seem real. Sixty years ago, this Ohio City was named Crime Town USA. [30:09] Crime town. 75 bombings. Yep. Oh, this was the mob days. Yeah. So it used to be a mob run town, right? Totally. They were called bomb town? Yeah. A Youngstown tune-up is a car bomb.

Look at this. [30:24] 75 bombings. [30:26] 11 killings in a decade. [30:28] And no one seems to care. They were so nuts in Youngstown that somebody tried to kill the actual prosecutor, the actual, [30:38] Isn't that normal? They always try to do that? Well... [30:41] It's... [30:41] kind of the stupidest, craziest thing you could do, because then the entire FBI... [30:46] comes down on you. [30:47] It's a little short-sighted to go, we're going to kill the main cop of this city and not think that anything's going to happen from that.

Well, we beat the game. We beat the main cop. Imagine trying to be an intelligent... [31:00] businessman and also a mob leader. [31:03] Imagine like playing things out in advance, but also you're a mob leader. [31:08] a lot of that going on and I got to see quite a bit of it like there were uh let's put it this way mall developers in Youngstown and things like that and I got to see firsthand very young that they were communicating with politicians at lunchtime and stuff because I was working at this little Italian restaurant at the time right out of high school and um

[31:32] And they were having these quiet meetups in the corner of a quiet Italian restaurant. And you would see these huge moguls. [31:41] I won't name any names, but big business people in Youngstown meeting with the local this and that and congressmen. I got to meet that congressman and that congressman because they're there meeting with these super-duper rich people. And I'm like, I wonder what the correlation is there. Bro, back then when there was no cell phones and they had to bug people, they had to literally bug businesses to get information.

Like they were all doing something. Oh, yeah. [32:11] if you weren't down with the Teamsters, if you weren't down with the Longshoremen. [32:16] We've got to work this out, Bobby. We're businessmen. That's how you do the business. Give a little money to their campaign. Not a little, but a bit. [32:28] And then you can get your stuff passed and make life easier down the road. Dude, I had friends that had no-show jobs. [32:34] Wow. Yeah. I had a friend of mine that had a no-show job in New York at the Javits Center.

[32:41] You know, the Javits Center is like a big convention center. [32:43] He had a union no-show job. Wow. So he was a mob guy. Yeah. And they just gave him money. [32:50] I only saw that on the Sopranos. They had those no-show construction jobs. They're sitting there with their portable fans. Yeah, no, that's real, dude. [32:59] That is a real thing. [33:01] They get a certain amount of jobs. [33:03] They would make... [33:04] agreements. Like the union would make an agreement. We had a certain amount of these jobs. There's like [33:10] You know?

It's crazy. There's really a hundred jobs, but we want 130. [33:15] Oh. [33:16] Youngstown was... [33:19] A haven for organized crime related corruption was ingrained into the fabric of its society. A 2000 publication, New Republic, listed a chief of police, the outgoing prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, members of the local police force, a city law director, several defense attorneys, politicians, judges and a former assistant S. attorney as controlled by the mob. [33:42] So if they have that, if they found that for sure, imagine how many others there are. [33:49] That's everybody.

That's everybody. The prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, the police force, city law director, defense attorney. Imagine not being down with the mob. Do you want to stay alive? Do you want to work in this business? Right. And this is a city. I think we looked it up the other day, actually. I think it only has 25,000 white people. [34:08] So knowing that black people tend to not be in the Italian mob, just going off of 25,000, and that's current. I don't know what it was back in the day, but the point is, it's like, it's not a big city.

[34:23] it's not. I think 50,000, 60,000 half... [34:27] Or less white. [34:29] There's Tony. There's little Tony watching pro wrestling. Oh, yeah. Pro wrestling. And even then, I was obsessed with Goodfellas and a Bronx Tale and a Godfather. Because it's just what you're taught is humanity. That's life. [34:46] So getting out of that and going to A. and thinking it was going to be all, oh, it's going to be crazy, gangs and stuff. And it's just quiet. Granted, I started in Burbank, which is a fucking television studio, essentially. [34:57] Thank you.

[34:57] When I moved to New Jersey and I didn't have any money when I first moved to New York, I couldn't afford to live in New York City. I didn't even have an apartment. I stayed with my grandparents because my grandfather lived in New Jersey, in Newark. [35:11] And he bought a house there in I think it was like the 1940s. [35:16] And they did a thing called blockbusting. Do you know what blockbusting is? They would go door to door and they would say black people are moving to the neighborhood.

You got to sell now. And everybody sold. It used to be an entirely Italian neighborhood. And he was like, I like black people. Get the fuck out of here. And he kept his house. But he was like one of very few families that stayed. And then black people moved out. And then they started getting like different people, Spanish speaking people like Dominicans and a bunch of other. And that's how it was when I'm. [35:45] stayed with them. So this is like [35:47] 91? Yeah. I was three years in the comedy, so it's probably 91.

And while I was living with him, the next door neighbor's house got broken into by the cops. The DEA smashed down his door. The dude had an Audi parked in the driveway. He was selling crack, like right next door to my grandpa. The whole neighborhood was just nuts, dude. Like he would get really nervous when I would leave. Like I would leave to go play pool somewhere and he'd be like, be careful. It was fucking sketchy. Yeah. [36:17] But it didn't used to be. Like when he first moved there, it was just an all-Italian neighborhood.

[36:23] Yep. [36:24] real estate people even back like what a dirty thing to do scare people into moving [36:30] That's probably the first project of USAID. That's probably the first. Yeah. [36:35] They probably got real estate people to destroy neighborhoods. [36:39] There's something to it. I don't know the correlation of Italian neighborhoods being taken over, not taken over, but [36:46] whatever, by black people. Like, mob-run cities like Youngstown, like Chicago, like Detroit. [36:54] Um... [36:55] It's an interesting anomaly. I wonder if there's any correlation between the things. [37:25] work also had to take a back seat, LifeLock has your back.

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[38:58] They were all coming over here for labor or jobs and things along those lines. [39:04] you know, when they started doing better, [39:07] They started moving out and moving into the suburbs and moving into more gentrified areas. It's always... [39:14] What are the new immigrants that are going to come and take over this area that was like formerly a low-income Italian neighborhood or a low-income Irish neighborhood? It's the same thing. [39:24] there's cycles you know [39:26] It's like there's cycles in fighting too. [39:29] In the early 20th century, there was a lot of Jewish fighters, like Slappy Maxi Rosenblum.

You never heard of him, right? No. Very good Jewish fighters because they were poor and they were the new immigrants. And this is like before World War II. And then in – and even afterwards, there was some. But then you get Italians. You get a lot of Italians. You get Rocky Marciano, Rocky Graziano. There's a lot of like Jake LaMotta. [39:59] motherfuckers because they were poor. Yeah. And then what happened? Then you got a lot of Puerto Ricans, a lot of, you know, it's always like, who's the new immigrants? Right.

And who are the most hungry come from the most poverty ridden areas? Like Roberto Duran came from a terrible part of Panama, like not terrible, but I mean, like very poor, very violent. Yeah. And it was one of the baddest motherfuckers. Boom, boom, man. He was right down the street. [40:24] Yep. [40:25] Yeah. [40:25] Yeah. [40:26] I mean... [40:27] Youngstown's known for boxing. [40:30] Kelly Pavlik. Kelly Pavlik, who's been on the podcast. He's awesome. Yeah. He was a beast, dude. Oh, man. [40:36] That fight with him and Jermaine Taylor won.

Holy shit. Sometimes I still re-watch the end of that. How did he survive? Give me a burst of energy. I mean, how did he make it through? That was a crazy... I mean, he got dropped. It looks like the fight was over. And then when he's got him in the corner and he rocks him, you go, no way. He's coming back. This is crazy. Did you watch the fights this weekend? Jerron Boots Ennis and I forget the dude who was fighting. No, I was at that concert. I missed it. [41:06] Boots is very good and for the most part he beat his ass but the third round he got rocked.

The third round was incredible. The kid he was fighting, who was the gentleman that he was fighting, Jamie? [41:18] Zayas yeah young kid he got dropped in the second round like pretty bad boots is very good He's like one of the best boxers alive and then the third round the kid came back and rock boots And it was just a war just the third round was incredible boots wound up stopping them. I think he stopped him in like the seventh or the eighth round and [41:39] he just dropped him one last time and the the the corner called it it was enough like he was getting his ass kicked [41:44] But he was very, very valiant.

It was a really good fight. Like Boots is better than him, clearly. He's on another level. But this kid showed just tremendous heart. [41:55] that third round was just coming back from getting dropped in the second. Like those kind of moments where a guy's getting fucked up, like the Gaethje-Taporia fight. [42:04] perfect example. Yeah. Right? Right? [42:06] That's when it's really a fight. A real fight. Yeah. Because Teporia was on him in that second round. Oh, man. We were so close. Oh, you could hear it. Oh, you could feel it.

[42:21] Where I was, man, and, you know, obviously we're always close to the cage on those things. But when Tapuria was landing those body shots, it was right against our side of the fence, and I'm literally like... [42:35] Oh, my. I mean, holy fucking shit, man. And I've seen a lot of people get ripped to the body before, but there is something about his close range strength in near that clinch, that close up fucking range of Elia that is scary. He's so good, dude. He's so good and he's so precise.

[42:56] He just tried to, like, I always repeat this because Chael Sonnen said it was perfect. If you try to win by knockout and fail... [43:04] you won't win a decision. [43:06] Yeah. And sometimes you just run out of gas because, like, you're not supposed to fight like that if you think that the fight's going to go five rounds. Like, Ilya had him hurt, and he's like, I can take him out. Yeah. [43:16] But Justin's so durable, man. He's so durable. [43:20] And [43:21] That left hook to the body, the sound of it, man, is just whip.

It's so perfect. He throws perfect punches. His punches are just – I mean, even – [43:31] Justin said it in the post-fight interview. When he's fresh, his skills are unmatched. That's a crazy thing to say to a guy who just beat up and made stop. He stopped him in the fourth round. [43:41] Yeah. [43:42] That's crazy to say. Like, his skills are unmatched, but they really are. Oh, at every point of that, anybody I think that knows anything about those two fighters is going – [43:54] Until this is stopped, anybody can win this.

Even when his face was blown up and his eyes looked black and closed. [44:04] Until that time. [44:05] Air horn rings. I'm like, anything. One punch. And we've seen it. Even with Gaethje, you saw it with Holloway, right? Was it him? Who did he square up with in the middle? [44:16] Yes. Holloway, yes. Max hit him with that final punch. One chin with one second left, it can all be over. Yeah, that was a little different in that Holloway caught him with a jump-spinning back kick to the face in the very last seconds of the first round and broke the bone of his nose.

We talked about it on the podcast. And I was like, that changed that fight. Because before that, Gaethje was pressing him and it looked very competitive. [44:46] slight advantage. But that's because Max, Max is a very clever, very clever fighter. He's always switching stances and moving and really hadn't showed that spinning back kick a lot. That hadn't been a feature in a lot of his fights. He did it a few times, but for him to land it that way, backing up, jump to the face, I mean, it was [45:05] perfect.

It was perfect. And his nose was fucked. And if you're fighting with a broken bone on your face, every time you're getting hit, you're getting just blasted. The pain is insane. And then, you know, he had... [45:19] you know, [45:20] He was a step behind Max. Max was teeing off on him. He landed some good shots, though, even though it was a good fight. I mean, Max was definitely ahead in the fifth round, but it was a good fight. [45:31] And then... [45:32] during that wild exchange. She should have never done that.

[45:35] He was already fading, whereas Max was still very fresh. [45:40] Fucking crazy fight, man. [45:42] That was a crazy fight. I think Topuria's nose was broken in round two, I think. It was pretty early on. Hard to say. Yeah. But Justin did clip him with a bunch of those uppercuts. So Justin does this thing where he collar ties you and then throws an uppercut in tight, and he's really good at it. He's really good at turning you a little and then throwing an uppercut. In these exchanges, he collar ties and uppercuts.

[46:12] the old schnozzle this thing's so brittle yeah it's such a if you feel your nose just feel it [46:18] Have you ever seen Merab's Nose? [46:21] The X-ray of Merab's nose? You've never seen it? I sent it to you, right, Jamie? [46:26] Jamie will find it. [46:27] It's [46:28] Crazy. [46:30] Look at what it looks like. Oh, my God. Look at that. [46:32] Oh, fuck. Bro. [46:35] that thing is destroyed [46:38] I mean, it's destroyed. He's getting zero air out of that. He's got the best cardio on planet Earth, and he's getting zero air out of his nose.

Wow. Wow. [46:46] But he won't get it fixed because if he gets it fixed, he can't fight for like a year. [46:50] And he just wants to keep on trucking. [46:55] That dude's a freak. If I was his friend, I would say, dude, you got a lot of money. You're a world champion. [47:01] Fix the nose. Let's fix it. Let's take a year off. Come back and fuck these motherfuckers up. Because if that guy's got a fixed nose, he's got 10% more cardio. Are you crazy? That guy with 10% more cardio, that's an extra weapon.

[47:15] I would get it fixed. But the problem is if he gets it fixed and then, like, he fights a guy like Holloway and he gets jumping and spinning back kicked to the nose in the first round and it's shattered again, then he's kind of fucked. Because if they have to fix it again, then they might have to start taking pieces of your rib out and reconstructing your nose and grafting bone and doing weird shit. [47:36] And then sometimes that shit doesn't take and sometimes it gets infected and then you have a bone infection on your face.

And what do they do then? Do they have to remove your nose? Is that what they have to do? [47:46] Fuck. God. Scary shit, man. Very much so. These fucking dudes, man. That is a crazy job to risk your life, risk your health, risk your bones. You're making a living by trying to damage another person who's trying to damage you. [48:02] *sigh* [48:03] Nuts. [48:04] But it's also why it's the most exciting shit in the world to watch. Exactly. So exciting. Yeah. Even boxing as, you know... [48:12] tamed in comparison to MMA because there's less weapons and less options and you don't more padding yeah [48:19] You don't get the choke outs, the crazy choke outs.

[48:22] There was a crazy choke out this weekend. His name is Ruzaboyev. [48:27] And he fought... [48:29] God, how do I say his last name? He fought this Russian cat and got him. Russian or Ukrainian? Ukrainian? [48:34] I forget. But he got him in a rear naked choke and put him to sleep. And it was one of those ones where the guy looks dead. He's like lying there. I mean, it was a fucking nasty choke, man. And yeah, like, and it's like, oh, yeah. [48:46] I saw that. [48:48] It was dark, dude.

[48:49] That's another meme out this week, along with the WMBA girl pointing. That's his name. [48:54] I'm not. [48:55] bro's nuts the memes on these things are nuts nowadays [48:59] The internet is undefeated. Oh, it's crazy. They're so good at memes. Oh, my God. There's so many people out there working jobs that they hate, that are smart and funny. [49:07] we were talking about it the other day but have you caught up with any of those WNBA what's her name the girl that's pointing Sophie Cunningham I've been paying what's that thing in the middle

[49:21] Put the ashtray in the middle. I've been paying attention very little, but one of the things that I did watch is all the fouls. Like these bitches throw each other to the ground and they poke each other in the eyes. [49:34] Like they do this. They literally jab each other in the eyes. It's crazy. Like they foul and also they travel so much. Oh, it's crazy. They take like four or five steps and then no one calls them. Oh, yeah. Double durable. Is there a trend now to not call traveling?

[49:53] Yes, without a doubt. In the actual NBA, it's a thing, too. It's hard to get into this without going way into the weeds, but the NBA has a technically different rule than college and high school and everyone else where they call it a gather step. [50:08] And they definitely would call it in high school. [50:11] But they work all day manipulating it with the referee, watching them saying, like, you can do that, but you can't do that. [50:17] you can do this, but you can't do that. And so, like, they've got it to a place where...

[50:20] Everything they're doing looks like traveling and double dribbles, but guys will break it down in slow-mo, and you'll be like, well, technically it's not. [50:27] That's weird. [50:28] I always thought if you took a step, you had to bounce the ball. Yeah. Yeah. [50:31] That's how it should be. You're allowed to. Doesn't it seem like that should be how it is? When you see guys taking four steps, you're like, what's going on? Do you want to see exciting basketball or not? [50:41] Yeah, I do. All right. Well, then let's let the referees call the game how they call it.

But I think there's something exciting about you having to bounce that ball. [50:49] Because you won't be able to score as much. [50:52] Right? Correct. Like, if you have to bounce it every two steps, whatever it is. I wish I loved the NBA like I did when I was a kid. And fucking Barkley and Jordan and Ewing and all these people were physical. It is just a whole different game now. So back then, was it traveling? Like, when the Larry Bird days? Hell yeah. Unless Jordan talked to the ref and said, yo, you're wrong.

Let me do what I want. Well, Jordan had the cheat code where he would leap from the fucking free throw line. [51:22] That is so when I've watched videos that it doesn't even look real. [51:27] He was such an amazing athlete. He was so good and so possessed by his desire to win. He would do things that you would just go, how does a person fly? [51:39] Dude, imagine if he was like one of those jumpers, those long-distance jumpers. He'd probably have an insane jump. [51:45] Because he's going from the free throw line in the air.

That's crazy. Everything he did was crazy. [51:53] the way he did things, the way he practiced everything. [51:57] Yeah. [51:58] And did he not make his college team? [52:00] No. High school team? No. Wasn't there like one year? When he was a freshman, he didn't make the varsity team. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's... [52:07] Most freshmen don't. [52:09] Perfect. May have changed basketball history forever. Most freshmen, though. That doesn't make sense because they're not even developed yet. [52:15] Yeah, that's your plan. I know kids in Texas that keep their kids back a year.

[52:19] Wow. [52:20] They want their kid to be bigger. I want Billy to be the biggest freshman. I want him to be a 15-year-old freshman. We're pushing for right before his 15th birthday. Hey, 15's a sophomore. Billy's a fucking cheater. Why are you sandbagging Billy? It doesn't bother me nearly as much in a sport like football where I see what you're doing. You're preparing a kid for a professional future, perhaps, especially in Texas. They're very into it down here.