#2512 - Joey Diaz

[00:01] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! [00:11] Alright brother, hey. What's happening, what's going on? Same shit, great to be here. Great to see you, how you feeling? I sit my knee, like a tip top fucking magoo. Your knee, I can't believe you could walk so quickly after getting the knee fixed again. It was like three days man. That's nuts. [00:30] to walk, you know, but it was like, like I walk every day at the gym and then I walk my neighborhood for breakfast and after dinner.

But that's a loop, you know, this was 10 loops yesterday. So thank God I had a baggie with edibles with me on the plane. I ate the edibles and I put, I asked the fucking flight attendant, she'd give me some ice and that's how I got it down. Then I, you rub it with that Vortom shit, that liquid cocaine juice. What? Yeah, there's a cream that became illegal. You buy it over the counter. What is that? [01:00] Or something. Don't quote me bad. But it's a good cream. It numbs your eye.

You have to rub it, though, twice a day. Oh, yeah? Yeah, but it fucking feels fantastic. I've never heard of it. Yeah. Voltron. Voltrax. What? Don't listen to me, though. Just Google. Is that it? That it. Voltron. Voltron. Arthritis pain. [01:18] And you just rub it on your knee? Yeah, a couple times a day, anything that hurts. [01:23] What is it? It's like a fucking gel with cocaine that takes care of the fucking situation for you. [01:31] Prescription strength, over-the-counter, non-steroidal, anti-inflammatory that penetrates the skin to relieve joint pain, inflammation, and stiffness.

[01:41] Interesting. I never heard of it before. Widely used for osteoarthritis and muscle aches should not be used for acute injuries like simple strains or bruises. [01:50] I wonder why. [01:51] Thank you. [01:52] Why can't you use it for strains or bruises? [01:56] Does it say why? [01:57] That seems weird because that's what people use ibuprofen and shit for. I wonder why you can't use it. I couldn't use any of that shit. I could only use Tylenol, whatever the fuck that is. I couldn't take ibuprofen after the surgery. No? Have you ever used DMSO?

[02:13] I don't know what that is, Joe. It's the shit right here. [02:16] You rub it on? Yeah. Yeah. [02:19] That's another horse tranquilizer, another horse medication. Yeah, they use it in veterinary applications, but it's really good for pain, for pain and injury. Take that. Keep it. Okay. [02:31] No, I have a bunch of them. Thank you. I buy shit in bulk. We were talking about La L'Azada. Yeah. [02:37] That was the early steroids, which were the 70s. You don't know what the fuck we were getting in the 70s. Everything came from Germany, I think.

I think they were getting... Decker-Darabalin, all that shit. I think they were getting human growth hormone from cadavers. [02:52] See if that's true. Jamie, put that into our AI sponsor perplexity. Did they used to get human growth hormone from cadavers? I think they did. [03:01] I think that's how they used to get it. What do you get human growth hormone from now? That's a good question. I don't know. I don't know how they do it. It's synthetic. I know it's synthetic. So it must be they isolate the molecule, they figure out how to reproduce it, and then they make it.

[03:19] Somehow. [03:20] I have no idea. [03:21] but the way they used to do it back then [03:24] Cadaver-derived human growth hormone was real used mid-1900s to 1985. It turned out to be dangerous because it sometimes transmitted prion diseases like Croxfeld-Jacob. [03:37] and is no longer used and has been fully replaced by synthetic recombinant HDH. So... [03:42] Quetzfeldt-Jakob disease, that's mad cow disease. It's the same kind of disease. And what it comes from is the same thing that cannibals get when people eat. [03:53] human brain tissue they get and neurons and that kind of shit you get.

[03:58] this same disease. [04:00] Al Zeta was one of the first S. sports figures to admit using anabolic steroids in the last year of his life. [04:06] As he battled against the brain tumor, which eventually caused his death, Alzado asserted that his steroid abuse directly led to his fatal illness. He recounted his steroid abuse in an article in Sports Illustrated. He started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. Now I'm sick and I'm scared. I was addicting mentally. It was addicting mentally and mentally. [04:27] mentally addicting 90% of athletes I know are on the stuff we're not born to be 300 pounds or jump 30 feet I became very violent on the field off it too I did things only crazy people do once in 1979 in Denver a guy side swiped my car I chased him up and down the hills through the neighborhoods I did that a lot I chased a guy pull out of his car beat the hell out of him but look at me now I wobble when I walk and sometimes I have to hold on to somebody

[04:54] You have to give me time to answer questions because I have trouble remembering things. He died at 43. 43 from brain cancer. [05:02] Wow. He didn't look good at the end. He wore the bandanas. I was in it was Jewish. [05:07] It says he was inducted into the Jewish Hall of Fame. [05:11] What did it say? Go back to that, what I was just reading. [05:16] Thank you. [05:16] Thank you. [05:18] International Jewishness. [05:20] Jewish Sports Hall of Fame. [05:22] I didn't even know that existed. [05:25] Okay. So... [05:28] I don't know if that was that stuff that...

[05:31] Growth Farmer did that, but... [05:33] Well, listen, he's saying he can't walk at the end. He can't remember. That's the knocks to the head. Yeah. And mixed with whatever was going on with everything else, it becomes something else, you know. [05:44] I lied. [05:46] Amidst a massive star. That's one of those lies that like everybody, you know, it's like when bodybuilders say they're natural. Like, shut the fuck up, bitch. [05:53] Nobody's that big. [05:55] nobody's that big without help. There's a bunch of goofy guys out there that still try to claim natural.

[06:00] Like, come on, son. [06:02] How many fucking steaks do you eat a day? Like the Barbarian Brothers. 36 eggs. There's some guys that have freak genetics. They have very unusual genetics, and they get real big. [06:11] Naturally, but that's rare. That's super, super rare. As a matter of fact, I got picked up by a newbie yesterday. Guess who was the driver? Who? Yoel Romero's nephew. No way. And he's a judo champion. [06:23] No way. We talked in Spanish for about 15, 20 minutes. But is it in Jersey or here?

Right here. He lives in. Oh, shit. Because all these Uber drivers are Cuban. [06:29] Really? All of them in Austin. They're all getting replaced by robots. [06:32] Fuck that. I saw a Cuban yell at a robot. Last time I was here, he got out of the car yelling at the car, and he realized, Fogno, el robot, he got back in the car. My bad. That's hilarious. Because the guy cut him off. He cut you off all the time. He's fucking way much. No, I stay away from those. They get right in front of you.

They're ridiculous. [06:50] I don't trust those cars and all, and I don't see how people sit. I don't know. It's not for me, brother. Did you hear about that lady? She got into one, and a homeless guy was in the back? No. Yeah, some guy used the Waymo. He got his luggage out, left the hatch open, probably figured the thing closed itself. It didn't. Homeless guy hopped in, shut the door. Lady gets the Waymo. There's a homeless guy in the back. He starts yelling at her for paying robots. [07:13] Why are you paying robots?

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So we went down for Saturday's tournament. They won. Now we've got two more games on Sunday. So we've got a hotel. I didn't want to get a hotel at Oceans. I'm going to be at Oceans in August, but I didn't want to go there because all the other parents... [09:59] we're in fucking [10:00] uh harris so i said fuck it i don't want to be that guy i'll stay at harris with you so the game ended and my wife had to drive the kids somewhere and i go you know what because every time every weekend when i go on those little trips i go to a weed store like last week i went into one in trenton dog this was a block from the state capitol you could see the dome the black guy called me back and he goes no no i got a secret place in the back he had mushrooms mushroom chocolate don't say this [10:30] And, you know, you've got to figure it out.

I'm not ratting nobody out. They know what's going on, the cops. They've got packaged mushrooms, all different flavors, grew a white, the whole thing. This week I go to Atlantic City. I go to this one, Everett, whatever. It's supposed to be the big one. The big one. The big weed store in Atlantic City. And it's right by the casino. So as I pull up, I... [10:51] Park my car in front as I walk out. There's four yoked brothers. Yolked with gold chains on and one of those fucking suburban millionaire cars.

What do you call the big truck? Escalades? No, the other one. The one that looks like they're attacking your town. Not the... Oh, AMG? G-Wagons? [11:07] I don't fucking know. Anyway, they're in there bumping shit, and they see me, and they go, yo, we know you. And I go, yeah, what up, brother? Hold on. I'll catch you on the way out. I thought by the time I got out, they would leave. Right. So I went in. I come out, and they're all outside their cars. [11:23] All four brothers. Yo, big gold chain.

He's like, yo, you're the motherfucker that goes on Rogan. No, that's the motherfucker from The Longest Yard. We looked you up. So they're talking to me, talking to me, talking. We're rocking and rolling. Rogan, the UFC. Yo, what do you think about that? And I'm loving it. But in the middle of all this, this black little homeless crackhead walks his way over, and I can hear him ask the other guy. [11:46] Who's this white motherfucker? And the black guy goes, that's the dude from The Longest Shard. You know, the football movie.

The black guy comes over and I see him. Walk right over me. He goes, hey, Mr. Football Man, why don't you break out a dollar for me? He just bummed me out a dollar. I had to give him ten. I was so fucking embarrassed. Why don't you break out a dollar for me? Why don't you break out a dollar for me, Mr. Football Star? I gave him a ten. This motherfucker ran. He walked up with a limp, but he ran away. [12:13] He was going right for crack. I'm like, these motherfuckers, they got a game for everything.

I love it. I love all that shit, Joe. It's fun to be around wacky people every now and then. Oh. Just people living on the edge. But that Atlantic City outside those casinos, bro, that shit's real. I saw a drug transaction right on the street when we were down there last. Bro, I'm surprised you didn't see a hooker get mugged or something like that. They are not fucking around. I took a ride Saturday night about 10. Did you just take a little ride? Sketchy, dude. [12:43] And I thought by now they'd at least build up the outside of AC.

No, no, no, no, no. No, it's barely making money. You know, AC doesn't do well, not like Vegas does. You know what I mean? Like, AC's got some nice spots. You can go there and have a good time, but it's not like it's going to grow. You go to Borgata with the Italians and shit. The outside's too sketch. The Borgata, all the Italians go down with their white shoes on the week. Hey, it's got old. What up? You know. But no, I don't like the Borgata that much. I like the couple hotels down there.

[13:13] nice places. Yeah, we stayed in the Borgado when it first opened, you and I. We had a gig there. That's right. The thing is, it's not going to grow like Vegas is. Vegas is crazy. Vegas had a head start. If they tried to make Vegas now, tough sell. [13:30] Tough sell. [13:31] Too many places to go. You can gamble everywhere. You can gamble on your phone now. But when Vegas was first, there was no casinos in the country, dog. It was just Vegas. And I wonder if they made some sort of a deal.

Well, let them blow off atomic bombs. They blow off these atomic bombs, and then we'll... [13:49] You know. [13:50] We'll put the casinos in. What's the difference? We'll blow ourselves up. I thought that, but then we looked it up, and it turned out they made Vegas before the atomic bomb. [13:57] Thank you. [13:58] So I'm like, well, what... [13:59] I guess it was just gangsters. They just bribed people or convinced people. There was nothing going on there. It was a pit stop. They opened up Vegas for a pit stop for American soldiers to stop on the way or something like that.

Was it in the 30s, right? Was it the 30s, Jamie? Then the guy that owned the counter store. [14:20] Yeah, the guy that owned the comedy store, he was in charge of Vegas. And he robbed them and they shot them. Same guy as the comedy store? Same guy as the comedy store. He was in charge. He's fucking genius, that fucking, that motherfucker was a genius. Well, he got shot because he stole, at the end, the expenses and the casinos. You know, he gave, in those days they borrowed money from the unions in Chicago.

And then you borrowed that and you worked off those Teamster loans, those Jimmy Hoffa loans. So you had to build on those. [14:50] expenses never stopped. [14:51] Right. And they were like, what the fuck is going on? And he was hanging out with Jane Seymour or something, going back and forth like a millionaire, like a movie star. And they shot him. [14:59] That's why they shot him? I think so. They shot him in his house, in his eyeball or something. Yeah, in his eyeball. Something like that. I remember that. Yeah, it was a picture of his dead body, allegedly.

In, right? Yeah, in A. They shot him in A. So that was all because of the casinos, huh? [15:13] But then they made it, you know, it's like when we first went to Denver. The money was too good. I don't give a fuck if it's Jesus and his three disciples. They're going to take that envelope. It's too good. Well, you know what it was going on in the beginning. They weren't allowed to use credit cards. Everything had to be cash. Yeah. And it was crazy. So these guys were leaving the fucking, and they bring like six special forces guys with them.

They'd have fucking Green Berets and Navy SEALs and shit, like armed to the tits, because they're transferring millions of dollars in cash. [15:43] So the whole thing was nuts, man. It was nuts. I read this story about the dilemma, like these people are making all this money. And the crazy thing is the state was making all that money, too, because the taxes on the legal weed. Look this up, please. It's amazing. I think it was like 39%. It's fucking crazy. And everybody was like, sure. [16:03] Like you would never accept 39% on alcohol.

No. Never accept 39% on ground beef. No. But 39% on weed, you're like, I'll take it. During the pandemic in LA, you got to buy an extra tax to go open. That's why they called them... [16:16] What do they call those businesses that had to be open? Dispensaries? No, no, no. They're businesses that they had a purpose to be open during the pandemic. Oh, right. Essential. Essential. Yeah. They made that essential, but they charged an extra 10% tax for you to open. Well, they're making so much money off weed in California.

But now look at all the weed stores. They're starting to close. [16:35] Are they? And in Jersey, they created a dilemma because the state convinced them that they had to build and all this shit. So all these places started, you know, you're opening up a shop minus three mil. Listen. [16:48] It's a lot of $20 bags to get the three mil. A lot. And not only that, there's a lot of competition. How many wheat stores are in A.? It's bananas. Bro, in English town, New Jersey, there's four of them, and here's where it gets better.

They're all on the same block. [17:01] Wow. Did you ever go to that place in Inglewood with me? [17:05] Back when it was only medical, the Englewood Wellness Center? We used to get the lollipops. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I went there one time with you. You know, the guy that ran that got shot. [17:13] that dude that we used to deal with, he got shot in that store. [17:16] They killed him? No, I think he lived. [17:20] I'm not sure, though. Look that up. He might have died. Yeah, that's the first place you had the lollipops on Fear Factor.

[17:26] Yes. It was from that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Inglewood Wellness Center. That was in the 90s. [17:30] That was in the days where it was legal if you had a medical reason, and any medical reason would do. [17:37] Oh, my feet hurt. Get in there. Sign them up. But anybody who does martial arts has the pain excuse because everybody's in pain, and it does help you with pain. If you could take aspirin, THC gummies with CBD are phenomenal for aches and pains, man. [17:56] You remember Dave Foley? Yeah. Dave Foley's hand, of course you do, Dave Foley's hand was all fucked up from arthritis.

He started taking CBD and now his hand is full function again. CBD's amazing. They just blew it up out of content a couple years ago. Well, who knows who's making it and what the quality is. That's the thing, when things are gray, you get a bunch of douchebags making stuff. [18:21] You know, I used to have a bit about that, about the gummy bears. Like, they're not making these gummy bears in the same labs or they're making Tylenol. They're very inconsistent. You get one of them, you swear it's 1,000 milligrams, and the other one feels like it's like 100.

They barely make sense back in the day, back in, you know, when it was the Wild West. I got some 500 milligrams in my pocket. They feel like 500 milligrams. Well, now I don't think you can do that anymore. I'm talking about, like, way back in the day, it was different because way back in the day, it was like the Wild West. [18:51] Well, way back in the day, they didn't put warnings on this shit. No, no warnings. So you didn't know how many milligrams were in this stuff. And I remember eating a brownie one time and flying up to Pittsburgh in the red eye, and my leg wouldn't stop tapping.

Like, it wouldn't stop fucking tapping. I remember one time we were on a plane and you had a panic attack, and then... [19:08] You waited like an hour later and then popped two more. I was like, how are you doing that? You're like, Joe Rogan, I almost got off the plate. I couldn't take it. I couldn't breathe. My fucking heart was closing. It was like my chest was closing in on me. The walls were closing in. I thought the plane was going to crash. [19:25] I was freaking out. I almost had turned the fucking plane around.

Oh, you have no idea. But I'm back, baby. You just popped two more. Oh, you have no idea what I put myself through over the years. Why do you do that? Because I just want to take a chance. Columbus did. I'm sitting at home. It's 2 in the afternoon. You're bored as shit. You're like, let's see what happens. And the only thing that would hold me back is if I had a spot that night. [19:47] Oh, yeah. Then I would tame it and be like a couple hundred milligrams. You don't want to go up on stage with too much edible.

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Let me go do a spot. [21:07] I'm nervous. I get down there and there's 50 people. Perfect. [21:11] break my cherry, do it. I got into such a groove, I ended up doing an hour. That was because the edible I took before I went on stage. No material. I told you that. I got nothing. [21:21] Right. That's it. I'm starting over from scratch. Got nothing. I talked about going to the hospital, and then it just became something else. And at the end, I was up there an hour. Wow. My leg was starting to fucking throb.

Did you film it or record it or anything? No. I just, I didn't know it was going to be gold. Right, right. But that's why THC, somebody said THC is... [21:41] like a banned substance for comics, because if you really let it absorb you, and I'm not telling you to smoke pop, but I have an audition. Whenever I have an audition, I read it, [21:52] I put it away [21:53] I just get stoned, and then I go back, and I look at it again, completely different sheet. Now I can pick out things.

Now I can point. Then I leave it again. I get high, and I come back like an hour later, and that's what I think THC makes me just relax. Look, I live in anxiety. [22:10] Naturally. [22:12] naturally. I beat myself up [22:14] This morning it's 8.30. I'm drinking coffee outside the Four Seasons. I'm like, why am I heart beating? Because I thought I had somewhere to go. [22:20] I got nowhere to go. You just gave yourself anxiety for no reason? Yeah, because I always think I got somewhere to fucking go at 10 in the morning.

That's why when my daughter gets on that bus to school at 7.15, I start blasting. [22:32] Because then I know I ain't got nowhere to go. Like, you know, you make a list every day and you go, this is what I'm going to do today. [22:38] And then you fucking, you know. [22:41] Wake up and you look at that list after you smoke and you're like, that's a long drive up to New York City today. I ain't doing that podcast. [22:50] That's a fucking long drive up to that motherfucker. Yeah, the driving in New York is not a joke.

That's an endeavor. [22:57] Yeah. No. You got to take a day. Like, that's your day. Your day is driving in and driving out. You're not going to the gym. You're not doing all the other stuff. Me? No. I'm saying if you've got to drive into New Jersey, that's your day. It's not like, oh, I'll go there. That's at noon. I'll hit the gym at 2.30. Uh-uh. No, you'll be in traffic for three hours. For three hours. I always go to do that shit early and get it over with. Like, on days that I have to go to the city up north, I'll just...

[23:25] Take that as a day off. Like I worked that day before so I could go up there comfortably and not sweat it. Yeah. But it's got some days I get up and I'm like, I'm not going up there. I got to work out today. Listen, this is one of the big things that Texas has or Austin has in particular over the East Coast. [23:40] is the fucking traffic. The traffic here is a joke. They talk about traffic. It's adorable. You might be 10 extra minutes. It's adorable. Occasionally a car accident happens and there's a bunch of people stopped.

That shit happens everywhere in the world. But for the most part, the East Coast is so thick with people. You don't realize it until you have to make [24:10] go into New Jersey to the UFC and then with the weigh-ins, then we have to go back to New York to play pool. Oh, at 6 o'clock. That's cool. Oh, my God. It's crazy. Go to New York to eat and to play pool, and it's fucking, it's a madhouse. Think about what it was like the last two weeks. [24:27] Jim Florentine said he went into the city's side.

It was three hours because of the Nick bullshit. They weren't even playing. They weren't even playing. People were so upset that Trump was going to go to the NBA because if he's there, then they have all these crazy security protocols. It makes the traffic even worse. [24:44] There was no parties. There was no nothing. He just sticks to the UFC. They're going to boo him everywhere else. Oh, they booed him. I didn't watch the whole game. I heard some people cheered. I heard it was like cheers and boos. But the problem is...

[24:56] If there's cheers and any boos, if there's like 50-50, like that's – don't go to that spot. Go to the UFC. People say he got booed at the UFC. I've seen him at the UFC – [25:09] Six times or something like that. I don't know how many times. Never get booed. They love him. He's never gotten booed. They fucking cheer. The people that say they boo him, you're distorting reality. It's not true. They cheer him like he walks in there to the American badass song, especially if Kid Rock is with him and Dana White's behind him.

And then sometimes Tucker Carlson was there, too, back when they were close. It was like the conservative Avengers. It was like, this is ridiculous. They always cheer him. He was the kiss of death last night. I better guess the Knicks last night. [25:39] We were like, fuck that, getting two and a half? Why are they only giving two and a half? They're up two schemes. What are you, a retard? Two and a half they were giving last night. Everybody and their mother, even fucking your daughter, bet the Knicks last night giving two and a half.

Do you bet sports all the time? How often do you bet? This type of the year, I bet basketball because it's real. Do you use an app? What do you do? DraftKings. DraftKings? You do it on DraftKings? Everything is on DraftKings. You don't have a bookie. [26:08] No. [26:10] No, I enjoy it because DraftKings has so many fun. Like, there's bookies out there. Like, they just keep busting these mafia rings in Jersey and New York. 39 people had the big bust last year with the basketball coaches that they put the cards up, and you could see through the fucking cards on the table.

[26:27] Gambling has grown to a fucking nightmare. We're going to pay for this in five years. But when I went to college, after orientation, you walked out, and there was credit card companies, [26:40] you a credit card for being a student for $250 automatic right there. Now when you go to those orientation days, DraftKings is there. You know the other ones, FanDuel's there. I'm not putting them down. I love DraftKings. But you're copping these kids. These kids don't have enough problems with fucking student loans. Now I'm going to put a fucking thing.

More people are gambling more than ever. Than ever. In Australia too. My buddy McCann, you know James McCann. He was talking about how crazy it is in Australia. [27:10] Yeah, what's the odds on the Ilya Teporia campaign? [27:15] Justin Gaethje fight at the White House. [27:18] to pick them. [27:19] No, no, Teporia has to be a huge favorite. [27:24] I guarantee Temporia is 2-1. [27:27] 401. [27:28] Four to one. Yeah. Oh, my God. Four to one's crazy. Two to one... [27:33] if you just think about what he's done in his last three fights, he's had the most legendary run in MMA championship history in his last three fights.

He knocked out three all-time greats. Knocks out [27:46] Alexander Volkanovsky knocks out Max Holloway, knocks out Charles Oliveira. Three in a row. [27:52] Like anybody who could do that, you go, I'm not fucking betting anything against that guy. [27:58] But... [27:59] Justin Gaethje's a tough character, son. A tough character. So if I bet $25 on Gaethje, I win. [28:06] 100. [28:07] 100. 4 to 1. 4 to 1, yeah. Which is... [28:12] Look, it's minus 426 for Toporia. They're like, 4 to 1 is not enough. Caesars says 600. Caesars says 600.

Caesars is smart. [28:22] But the thing is, man, don't think that Justin Gaethje can't win. Like, anybody can lose in an MMA fight. People get hit. Like, in Iliad Toporia, one of his early fights, I think his first fight in the UFC at lightweight, he took it on short notice, and he fought this dude, Jai Herbert. [28:40] who's a really tall, really good striker. And Jai Herbert caught him with a head kick in the first round, a switch kick to the dome that dropped him. It was perfect, but he recovered brilliant.

He got a hold of him, took him to the ground. [28:56] recovered and then came back in devastating knockout in the second round. Like, he fucking puts people into orbit, man. His power is crazy. [29:06] He's not a big guy either, man. Justin's a much bigger guy than him. But the way he knocks guys out, it's just... [29:12] dead. He knocks them out dead. But so does Gaethje. People forget it. Gaethje's a fucking warhammer, dude. That guy loves battles. He loves... I'm saying this is not... I don't think... It's a tough fight, man.

It's a tough fucking fight. And this is this Sunday, right? Correct? It's this Sunday. Gaethje's bigger. You're going? Fuck yeah, I'm going. So Gaethje's bigger. Gaethje used to fight at... What was it called? The IFL? [29:40] Whatever the organization was before he came to the UFC, I think it was before the PFL. It was like another one. But what was it? What did he – what was the organization? There's these feeder organizations like the PFL. A lot of really good fighters and why not becoming champions started out there. [30:00] Was that it?

World Series of Fighting. That's right. That's what it was. And, I mean, he was fucking people up with leg kicks, but it was the way he was fighting would just throw himself into chaos. Yeah. [30:13] Like, he didn't fight tactically at all back then. No. Like, you ever see the Michael Johnson fight with him in the UFC? A long time, yeah. It's his first fight in the UFC. It's one of the craziest fucking fights ever. Because he just fucking throws himself at Michael Johnson. And Michael Johnson throws himself right back.

And it was a, they got hurt. Both guys got cracked. It was a crazy fight. But eventually Justin got him. But it was the way he fought. You're like, good lord. Yeah, he fights heavy. Like a pit bull. Like a pit bull. [30:43] Concerned for his safety. Just dive in. It was a fucking crazy fight. And look how Dustin is always just trying to kill you. He's always moving. Look at every shot. He's trying to fucking kill you. He's always moving forward, trying to smash you. [30:57] And the thing is he relishes this kind of combat so much that in the beginning he lost some fights that he could have won if he tempered it.

And then he did. And then when he went on this like legendary run, started beating everybody, it's really because he controlled the violence a little bit more. He controlled the chaos. But it was still like very technical violence. It wasn't like he was brawling dumb. He was just forcing himself into chaos so much. [31:27] runs in the fire over and over and over again. [31:30] This is a dangerous fucking guy. He's a dangerous fucking guy for anybody. [31:35] I mean, he had hit Khabib. He hurt him with some calf kicks.

He could do that, too. He leg kicks you from inside the clinch. [31:44] One of the things that he does really well is from like he could get you with like a collar tie and he's leg kicking you. He gives him the finger and tells him to get up. I mean, Michael Johnson's getting battered. This is a tough fight for him. At this point, we're in round two. Look at that knee to the body. [31:59] Just everything's trying to kill you. It's not like this tactical... [32:05] Take a chance here, take a chance there.

No, everything's take a chance. It's like from the very beginning of the fight. And this is how he fought. He eventually took him out. [32:13] But it was... [32:14] crazy fight. He fights like I told you Hagler used to fight. They weren't thinking about brain damage. Hagler, all those dudes, we're not thinking about that. We were talking about that with football before. You know what I just watched the other day? What? Mustafa Ham show. Hagler versus Mustafa Ham show. Did they battle? Ooh, Hagler took him out. But it was just Hagler in his prime.

He was beautiful up there, bro. Amazing. So good. He was so good. And he was so good at switching stances, man. [32:44] No one was doing that back then. Hagler would fight Southpaw. He would fight Orthodox. He would fuck you up. You didn't know where it was coming from. And he could fight just as good Southpaw as he could Orthodox. It was amazing. It was amazing. [32:55] It was an amazing fight to watch. God, that guy was great. So disciplined. [33:00] Yeah, some good fights this week. I'm excited for the card.

I thought it was Saturday. Yeah, Jamie posted up that the Cyril Ghosn-Alex Pereira fight is the closest fight on the card. [33:10] In terms of odds. It's like even odds. And that's a... Zero gone is a tall order. That's a tall order for your first heavyweight fight in the UFC. Caesars has that as a pick-em. [33:20] A pick-em. Yeah, I would say it's a pick-em. [33:23] I would say it's a pick-em. [33:24] um cyril gone is really good and the thing about cyril gone is the problems that he's had in fights or when guys take him down when guys stand with him he is very tricky he's very slick he's very technical and he's he's very light on his feet for a big guy like he moves really well like one of the [33:49] He's like dancing on his feet.

He also does a weird thing off his front leg. He throws a front kick when he's standing sideways like in a bladed stance like this and he picks it up and twists it into your stomach. Bang like that. It's weird. It works. It works. It's a kick. It's called a twisting kick. It's just you don't ever see people throwing that kick from the front leg like he does. He does a lot of... [34:15] He does a lot of weird shit that you have to get used to. [34:18] That Tom Aspinall fight, man, he was scoring very well on the feet.

I know it got stopped because of the eye pokes, but before the eye pokes, Cyril Ghosn was doing very well on the feet against Aspinall. And Aspinall's a big, fast heavyweight. [34:32] It's going to be interesting because I don't know if Pereira – [34:37] is going to have an issue with the movement, if he's going to be able to shut that movement down. And I don't know if Cyril Gan is going to be able to – [34:45] if he's going to want exchange with them. He might feel that power and say, I'm just going to fight on the outside.

Because Pereira's got that, you make one mistake power. [34:54] He looks good at heavyweight. He looks like he gained the weight. He looks yoked. He's huge. And on top of that, no dieting. [35:01] So no depleting of his body at all. [35:05] You're going to have a guy competing for the first time where he's never had to cut weight. [35:10] That's huge. [35:12] That's a giant advantage. Not having to cut weight is like they let you take steroids. You don't have to cut weight. No cutting weight at all. [35:19] If they changed weight cutting, if they cut all weight cutting out of MMA, you'd have like 20% better performances.

[35:26] people would be fighting so much better. [35:28] because they would feel so much healthier. They would be so much more durable. There wouldn't be as many like one-shot knockouts where you're like, whoa, that got them? Because a lot of these guys, like their brain is still dehydrated when they're in there fighting. It's only 24 hours after they rehydrate. [35:43] That's not enough time to get to the brain. [35:46] Way ends with you. [35:47] And these guys would come in like they're looking like they had cancer. They looked dead. [35:51] I would see him, and then they would IV in the back.

Then I think they cut out IVs. Yep, cut out IVs. I remember being there with you and looking at these guys coming in. They were dying. They looked like they were on that fucking GLP for 10 years, like fucking Sharon Osbourne's daughter. I mean, they were looking fucked up, Jack. Yeah, they looked dead. Some guys looked real. You remember when Anderson Silva fought Travis Luter? Do you remember that fight? Yeah, the jiu-jitsu guy from Texas? Exactly. Yes. That was the worst I ever saw anybody at a weigh-in. He looked really fucking skinny.

[36:21] ceremonial way in like we have now this was like the actual weigh-in see if you can make the weight and Travis couldn't walk he was shuffling [36:29] He couldn't pick his legs up. His lips were cracked. Like his body was dried out. That can't be good for you, like. Oh. And then to pick it back up and then go throw rounds. Exactly. Throw punches at 8 o'clock the next night. [36:39] This episode is brought to you by SimpliSafe. One thing you probably don't think about when you're planning the perfect summer getaway is protecting your home.

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It's like him and Ricardo Laborio. I go, really? I go, that guy feels like Ricardo Laborio? He's that level? He goes, he's like, dude, he was running through people. Just running through people on the ground. [39:21] Travis was a beast. He was one of the first truly elite Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts in the modern era, the Anderson Silva era. Whereas when he got guys to the ground, you were in trouble. You were in real trouble. [39:34] There's a few guys. Charles Oliveira is the big one. Charles Oliveira puts people in positions.

They're like, oh, no, what have I done? Like, you think you're going to be comfortable, like, in his guard? Like, bitch, you're never going to be comfortable on the ground with Oliveira. Oliveira is just so dangerous everywhere. That's 20 years of jiu-jitsu, correct? Oh, yeah. 25 years they've been doing it since they were a kid. Yep. Also, great camp. He's from that shoot-the-box camp. I mean, that camp produced Anderson Silva... [39:59] Um, uh, Marie, um, Ninja, uh, Shogun, uh, [40:04] Like, who else? Pele, one of the original MMA fighters back in the bare-knuckle days.

He was the top dude in the original days. No, Noguera's not from Shootbox. Noguera is a Carlson Gracie guy. [40:19] Those – [40:20] Was he? He's Carlson Gracie, right? No. [40:24] Carlson was in Chicago? No, Noguera wasn't Carlson Gracie. Noguera was... [40:29] I don't want to get that wrong. [40:31] Who is no Garris trainer? [40:33] Minotauru Noguera, his original jiu-jitsu coach. [40:37] His fucking brother, probably. [40:39] No, both of them were elite. They were twins. They were twins, right? Yeah, they were twins. They were both elite. They were both world-class fighters in pride.

[40:50] Does it say his jiu-jitsu coach? [40:53] and pull up this. [40:55] Minotauro was the first, like, he was the first guy that was, like, finishing elite guys off of his back in pride. [41:05] Like, he was tapping to, like, when he was the champion in pride, like... [41:08] You remember when he beat Bob Sapp? [41:11] No. Bob Sapp was 350 pounds with abs. [41:16] And the fight was crazy. He picks Minotauro up and spikes him on his head in the beginning of the fight. Fucked his neck up for years.

Like his neck was fucked up after that fight and still survived and eventually caught Bob Sapp in an armbar. But it was bananas. [41:32] Omri Patech. Okay, yeah, there you go. Omri Patech is another guy who fought early in the UFC. Yeah. [41:39] So that's his coach for one. Where did he get his black belt? [41:42] Just see where he got his black belt from. [41:47] Thank you. [41:49] Thank you. [41:51] Google app. [41:51] Just ask the question, who gave Minotauru his black belt? [41:56] Thank you. [41:59] Thank you. [42:01] Let's say.

[42:04] Okay, Ricardo De La Riva. [42:07] That's his primary instructor. [42:11] There you go. [42:12] Okay. [42:14] Yeah, he was... So we could assume he invented the De La Jive hook. [42:19] Probably. [42:21] There's a bunch of moves that are attributed to guys. [42:24] that it's not quite sure whether or not they invented it, but they were really good at it, you know? [42:29] How much fun is that getting somebody to do a even take them down? It's fun. I can't finish the leg lock. I never could. I'm fucking terrible.

I can't get my arms around it. I'm fucking. My shoulders are fucked up. Leg locks are scary. [42:41] I don't like any of that shit. You fuck them up. You twist the wrong way. You turn the wrong way. You hear things pop. [42:47] E. [42:48] Scary. [42:49] You still training? No. With a private? No, I haven't over a year. I haven't done any role. You had a guy coming in with you. I was for a while. I've got a knee problem. It's much better now. I've been really working on it over the last six months, but it kept swelling after a while.

The thing is, it would get better. [43:05] And it would feel pretty good. And then I'd heard it again. And usually I heard it. [43:10] like a year ago hunting. I twisted it hunting. And then I've also heard it like hit in the bag too. [43:17] Like sometimes I just start. [43:19] wailing on the bag. You go off and you forget. Yeah. You forget. It's just the next day it's sore as fuck. It's like I don't have meniscus on one part of my knee. So I have to make sure that it doesn't get arthritic.

[43:29] You know what I mean? [43:31] Like I don't have to tell you. Like once your knee gets bad, it's a real problem. It's a problem. And so you got to like walk that edge between when you don't have cartilage or you don't have meniscus and your cartilage is getting bone on bone like that. Like you got to be careful. You got to be careful. They're getting real close to fixing shit. [43:48] Real close. They're injecting different kinds of gels in people's knees now that replace the meniscus. And they're also doing some new stem cell therapy where they go into the bone itself and it regenerates cartilage.

That might be better. But that gel, they always work you with that gel. I think it's a new one, Joey. They call it a biological matrix. You need to get insurance approval and all that. Yeah, I did it. [44:15] That's just all those things. It's like when you see an ad for somebody. Do you have problems sleeping? Buy this mouthpiece for $29.99. I don't think you got what they have now because this is just released in Germany. This is brand new. But this gel, like I'm just saying to you, the gel.

[44:33] the court is all I have friends with knee problems [44:35] And they tell me what they go through, and they go to different doctors. [44:38] And it's the same fucking... [44:40] We got cortisol for you. [44:43] We got the gel. [44:44] We're not going to do the PRP and we don't do stem cell. So you, Joe, regular, you don't do no reading. This is what happened to me with the fucking why I did this surgery in the first place. You had moved here and I didn't know about ways too well.

If not, I would have never cut this knee the first time. [45:00] Never. [45:01] Never. [45:02] I didn't read up on it because [45:05] When my wife was pregnant, I read up on all that shit, and I didn't want to have the baby no more. Because it said once you're over 43, you'll die if you're giving birth. Like, if you're not ready when you get older as a woman, you know, now women are having kids at 50s and fucking 55s. But a woman has to be, she has like a short window.

And they have a lot of things that could go wrong with the pregnancy. When I read that, I got nervous from my wife. I'm like, she's going to die on the fucking table. [45:32] And I'm stuck raising a girl. I don't know how to fucking raise a girl. You know what I mean? What am I going to do with you? So I didn't really... [45:38] I researched it a little bit. [45:40] After I went and I saw the fucking chisel and the fucking mallet on the table, I go, we got to look into this when I get out of here.

[45:49] Like, this is fucking insane. I would have never done [45:52] the redo knee. I would have waited, shot it with stem cell, BPC'd it. At that time, I was still a little fearful of needles. So I was like, BPC'd them. Everything is, you got to shoot it. You're fearful of needles, but not about knee replacement. That's hilarious. No problem. Now I'm fine. It took four stays in the hospital last year to fucking let go. One day they had to come in and take blood out of me every 20 minutes for three hours.

[46:18] It's that type of test. They shoot you with something to see how you react to it. Oh, wow. [46:22] And, dog, I didn't faint one time. I don't faint no more. Like last time, it weighs too well. I went in there hungover on those tequilas from the mothership, drinking that round white juice and shit. I went in there with no breakfast. Like, we need to take blood out within minutes. I'm pale. I'm sweating profusely. They got to put ice on my back and on my neck and shit. And when I did, when they...

[46:45] Turn the switch off on your leg? What's that? [46:48] When you do that little... [46:49] before surgery, when I first hurt the knee, they said, we're not going to give you pain medication, but if you're really hurting that bad, come on down here. We'll give you a nerve block. Oh, they give you a nerve block. Joe Rogan. Holy shit. [47:00] Who did that? Where'd they do that? Because the place where I went for surgery, the first time, they're shit. Uh-huh. This place is specialized and all that stuff. So they have their own therapy.

[47:11] They have their own like the surgeons and then they have a pain department. [47:17] that they talk to you. [47:18] And they go, listen, you can take this. You want it? We'll give it to you. But let's do this. Let's try it with this. They don't want you. You know, and I understand that people lose their minds on those fucking things. So I did the nerve block first, Joe. [47:31] Holy fuck. [47:32] Holy fuck. And when I went to the doctor about a month ago, the girl was like, I was there that day.

When I fainted, she goes, you didn't faint. [47:40] but you sure came close. She goes, you lost all the color in your face. It's crazy, Joey. [47:46] I drink water. And then the epidural block. You ever do one of those? No. No. [47:51] Well, no, I did when I got my knee surgery. Yeah, they always knee surgery. I thought they put you out for those. They did most of the time. But my first ACL, I asked if I could watch. [48:01] And he said – [48:03] You don't want to watch it?

I go, no, I do. I don't want to get this done once. I want to see it. Can I watch it? Where did you see it? They shot it in your spine. [48:10] Well, they shot it in my spine, and so you don't feel anything in your legs, and I watched them open my knee up and put it together again. [48:18] fuck you Joe that's the epidural block is one of the worst I wanted to see I'm like I don't want to do this once I didn't know that I was going to have another ACL or surgery eight years later so you didn't get put out for your surgery no not the first one the second one I did [48:34] Amen.

[48:35] That's insane, Joe. That's fucking insane. [48:38] I love your zombo and shit. I wanted to watch. No, I want to watch a lot of things, too. I want to see what it looks like because it's kind of crazy. They're going to take your knee, take a slice out of your patella tendon along with a chunk of bone, and a chunk of bone for your kneecap, and then they screw it back in place. Like, this is crazy. I want to watch. [48:55] Hold up. [48:56] Still good. The real problem was the meniscus.

So they didn't even take the meniscus out then. They just stitched it up. There was a tear in the meniscus, but it wasn't too bad and he thought it could heal. [49:08] Because I was in my 20s. I was like 23, I think, 22. And then over time, it just got wore out. That tear became a bucket handle tear and then it would lock. So it would pull – the meniscus would pull up and like lock in place. [49:26] It was fucking... [49:27] insanely painful. And I was like, this keeps happening.

It happened a couple of times. It was like, it happened in jujitsu class and Eddie Bravo had to take me to the doctor. So Eddie Bravo had to drive my NSX. We drove straight to the doctor. [49:41] And, you know, they tell me I need to get my meniscus removed. I'm like, okay. [49:46] And then he told me I need to stop doing martial arts. I was like, okay, that's cute. [49:49] That's the first thing they'll tell you. Yeah. You got to stop doing martial arts. You blame everything. No martial arts, no this, no that.

Yeah, 30 years later, fuck you. Can we get one of those Zins? Yeah, sure. The medium ones, what are these? These are Alps. That's Tucker Carlson's one. Those are good. It's six milligrams. These are threes. This is athletic nicotine. That's threes. I like those. They don't make you jittery. [50:14] Those take a hell of a hit. Tucker likes them strong. I like them, but I always swallow them by mistake. I've seen them shitting pouches and shit. They have focus ones. [50:25] Yeah, that's these, ultras. Yeah, I do the ultras. I don't have them in this room anymore.

I was doing those after I had the surgery. Those are great. Yeah, they are pretty good. There's a bunch of really good things for your focus. People that think it's all bullshit, you know, like that nootropics are bullshit. [50:39] And. [50:39] You're allowed to think whatever you want. [50:41] Trust me, from someone who uses his brain for a living, there's a difference between taking nootropics and not taking them. It's not going to make you smarter, but it will make your brain function at a better level. [50:52] There's a bunch of shit that works like that.

Like, you know, those ketone drinks, like ketone IQ? That helps a lot. Really? Yeah, your brain uses ketones. Your brain uses ketones for focus. That's why people that take ketogenic diets and go on carnivore diet, they say it gives them like more mental clarity. You have more focus. It's fact. I feel different when I'm eating like clean. If I'm eating like carnivore, just eggs and steak, my brain works better, 100%. [51:18] It's just not processing the carbs and all the fog that comes with that. Not that carbs are bad for you.

But when you take this stuff, this stuff is the shit. This is my friend Derek's Gorilla Mind. [51:30] This is a nootropic drink. [51:32] It's like an energy drink. No. No, it's got some caffeine in it. It's got a good amount of caffeine, but it's got a bunch of nootropics. So there's a bunch of like brain vitamins in there. You know anything about me? Again, I'm not selling this. This is my friend's. [51:44] You know, I'm not a... [51:45] You know that I have a great memory of dates, and I can take you to different situations.

Stories. I don't know what happened the last three years. [51:54] How come? If I talk to you on a Monday, which I usually do, you call me Mondays on the way home at 6, I'm going to say, [52:01] Whatever we talked about by Thursday. [52:04] I don't remember. Like, you'll say, call me back. When you find out, I'll fucking... [52:09] Forget now. [52:11] Like just little things. This is recent? This is the last few years? Last few years, I could see. You know, you're 60. A lot of shit changes. You know, it's really weird.

Joe, I need eight now. [52:22] I need eight. [52:23] Sorry, I need eight. Eight what? Hours of sleep. Eight, solid. I got the whoop. I need it. Makes a difference. Six and a half? Don't cut it. Done. Done. I need eight now. And don't get me started on an hour nap. An hour fifteen nap at two or three o'clock in the afternoon. If I get up in the morning, I get up at six. [52:42] So I put her on the bus. I start smoking weed. At 9, I'm at a gym.

I'm doing something. Boxing, PT, you know.