#2514 - Cameron Hanes

[00:00] the Joe Rogan experience train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day okay whatever you have to wear your sweater [00:17] hat i don't want to fuck it up there you go just got it but we got an american flag we got a skull we got camo what the fuck else do you want are you american or not oh nice dude you're all in for 250 the 250th anniversary it's also the only socks i brought on this trip somehow so i wear them every day now you only brought one pair or one style no one pair of socks and no underwear oh god i've done that before we have to wash your socks in the sink with shampoo with hotel shampoo [00:47] they're wet and it's like i went on a run here it is muggy oh yeah baby what am i ass off that's the fear of this weekend at the ufc um because it's east coast it gets very muggy yeah for sure dc so these guys are all working out outside right now i saw a video of amon zahabi working out outside and ilia topori is working out outside and [01:09] Thank you.

[01:09] You have to feel that heavy, heavy air. It changes things. Oh, yeah, man. I remember when I was a kid, I went to the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs. I see those thunderstorms, dude. Oh, yeah, we're fucked. Fuck. That's not good. There is a canopy that's over the cage. They put a canopy over the cage. Well, if lightning hits that, that's not good. Well, if it hits the canopy, I think we're okay. I mean... I think I'm more worried about a terrorist attack than I am a fucking lightning.

Oh, that's true. [01:40] I actually have friends that have been hit by lightning. We do. Remy. Remy got hit by lightning. Yeah, for sure. I was full. I don't know anybody who's been hit by a terrorist attack. I almost got hit the other day, I think. [01:51] By lightning? Yeah, we had crazy storms here. Are you playing golf? No, but I was outside. Oh, thank you. I thought the storm was over, and I was out on my balcony, and I was like, wow, this is cool. Oh, that's not a good spot to be.

And then one hit. I'm 500 feet in the sky. I'm already up there. And then it hit, and I started hearing sizzling near me. I'm like, holy shit, I got to get inside. Like electricity sizzling? I was like, what the fuck is that? Where is it sizzling? Oh, my God, that's so scary. That's such a fucked up way to go. Do you ever see that one video where the guy is walking down the street, and he gets hit by lightning? Yeah. [02:20] He wakes up, walks down the street a little bit further.

He's recovering and he gets hit again. Dude got hit by lightning twice. And like, I don't know if it's time lapse or what. I don't know how long he was out for. Because it's like one of those ring cams that catches him. This guy got fucking cooked twice. You know you're having a bad day. I forget what Remy said happened to him after he got hit. But I remember his hearing was fucked up for a long time or something. Something like that. We, uh, I was... [02:46] We do the mountains back home, like run them.

We were up on Diamond Peak, me and Tanner, last year. And a storm, you know, kind of like the weather report, like having some clouds or whatever. It wasn't supposed to be thunderstorms, but you could hear kind of growling. And you're like, God, is that coming this way? And it doesn't have to be that close. I mean, I think... [03:06] I think lightning can hit from 10 miles away. [03:09] Really? Yes, it can go that it can go sideways. So anyway, if you see that building, you should get off the top of a mountain, right?

Well, me and Tanner were up there and we're still wanting to get to summit and then bomb off. Well, we're up there. [03:22] And he goes, he goes, dad, he goes, watch. And he had, we had trekking poles and he had them like this. And they're, they're like, [03:29] Ticking, like... From electricity in the air? Electricity was in his trucking poles. [03:35] I said, let's get the fuck off this thing. And so we bombed off. And there's these kids down that were like, they said, should we go up? And I said, I'm not.

[03:42] I'd wait a little bit. The girl's hair was standing up. Oh, my God. Yes. Oh, my God. That's so crazy. Yeah. It is nuts. Fuck that. Yeah. So they – This guy died in Florida last year in what they call blue sky lightning. What? Yeah. It can – [04:00] jumped from several miles away. [04:03] You just stand on the beach, there was a blue sky above, storm was near then. And I think it can go, I know I looked it up after that, because I was like, well, I'm in the mountains all the time.

[04:13] His death nonetheless serves a grim remod of Florida, led the S. in both lightning fatalities, 12, and strikes per square mile, 76. Holy shit. [04:24] By the way, did you see that guy in Florida that he was running from the cops and he got killed by an alligator? [04:30] No. Did you see that one? Uh-uh. Dude, it's body cam footage. The cop's got the gun out, and he's like, stop, stop, stop. The guy's running. He's going in the water, and all of a sudden, boom. [04:42] I'd rather get shot.

I'd rather get shot. I'd rather get shot than being killed by a fucking dinosaur. Oh, my God. If you get shot, the bullet's going to hurt like fuck. You're going to be in shock. You're going to realize you're bleeding out. You're going to have to say, I wish I was a better person. I'm going to miss my family. [05:00] take a while to kill you. It's going to roll with you. It's going to drag you under the water. [05:05] You're going to realize you can't get free. You're going to try to poke its eyes.

It's not going to work. [05:09] Fuck! It's going to be a miserable existence until it's over. You see that one video of a dude who got attacked by an alligator, lost his arm, so he bit his fucking arm off, and he made his way back home. So they're talking to him right when he got out of the swamp, and he got one arm. And he looked like... [05:31] There's not a chance in hell he was sober during any of this experience. He looked like he had been messed up since the fucking 12th grade.

Oh, my God. This dude. Yeah, this is the dude. [05:42] He just fucking lost his stump. [05:44] Yeah, that's where I wanted for three fucking days with one arm. Oh my God. [05:49] But first of all, how do you not bleed out? I know, dude. I was going to say, do you keep pressure on that thing? [05:56] What's he saying? On my right hand side, so I went to swim. [06:01] and she got my forearm so I grabbed her like this [06:05] Eh... [06:06] Like she's trying to roll, but she snapped her head.

So my arm went backwards like this completely. He says he fought for his life. [06:13] She drug me under three times. I like how the area comes in so important. He says he fought for his life. I can imagine them in an editing bay. Should I do that again? Is that good? I know. He says he fought for his life. Yeah, we got that part with the no arm. I went ahead and assumed that. He fucking wandered through alligator and snake-infested swamp for three fucking days. Thanks for telling us what we need to be believing here.

[06:43] go, you know, that alligator that we shot that's in the front. [06:47] Bro, they're everywhere. Yeah. If you ever want to come, it's really fun. I'd like to. I know you don't do much hunting outside of bow hunting. Yeah. But they need to be killed. They're vastly overpopulated. But you can't do a bow? You can, but it's... Yeah. [07:02] Well, that's like everything. It's pretty sketchy. But this, you know, I know Dudley's killed alligators with a bow in Florida. Yeah. You just got to catch them in the right spot.

You got to basically hit them like right behind the head. Yeah. And I think you'd probably hit them with a fixed blade, right? Yeah, for sure. Like an iron will or something. You got to brain them. Yeah. So there's like that bump back there. Then it's like halfway in between the eye and the bump. Something like that. So you want to be like 20 yards. Yeah, it's got to be close. So you can just fucking exit right in there. For sure. [07:32] it's going to be fine. You know what I mean?

It's like, it's not making, if you go for the lungs and miss, hit it in the stomach, that's not good. It's going to be pretty sick and miserable death. It'd probably still live. Those fucking things are such monsters. They're such monsters. I was saying, you know, we've killed bear. [07:49] Kip killed a bear up at the rivets with three legs. - Oh yeah. [07:53] How? One of them will eat the other one's leg. They'll bite their fucking legs off. [07:59] How do you survive? Yeah, we have to get antibiotics for...

[08:02] Like a hangnail. I think our whole biome is probably all fucked up from washing it all the time. Yeah, probably. I mean, it completely makes sense, right? Yeah. Yeah. [08:15] animals don't seem to get a whole lot of infections like we do unless they're farm animals. Right. Or like occasionally, it happens all the time in the rut, right? Like when you're dressing an animal, you find all these holes in the side of it that are like pussy. I remember one time, one of the elk, [08:30] that we shot at to hone had his back leg was just filled with pus like the whole back it was all pus because he had gotten stabbed.

It's usually in that back because usually they turn because they know they're getting their ass kicked. And so it's in their hind quarter. It's like the dominant bull gets a jab in before they go. And you've seen those to hone bulls those 1100 fuckers do imagine one of those stabbing you in the head. No. And also if you see. [08:57] antlers there that are broke because they're so heavy. Uh-huh. Like, that bone is so thick for their antlers. If a bull's break, imagine the force required to break that. And imagine that going right up your ass.

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God. For my camera guy, that'd be a dream. But for most of us, no. [11:55] They find them with these holes in them. Like when you shoot them and you find out what they've been through. No wonder why they barely moved when they got hit with an arrow. Yeah. They probably didn't even know. Like when two bulls are fighting and then one of them gets hit with an arrow, they barely react. No. They'd be like, what? What was that? Why it landed on me? It's crazy. They're just so... [12:15] just locked into war.

Especially if you like get in between the ribs and don't hit anything. Right. Just slices right through. Just like that bull would be like, ow. Wait, what? What was that? Nothing? And all of a sudden, woo, I'm feeling woozy. Yeah. Hey, did you find that video? See if you can find the video of the guy with the body cam footage getting killed by the alligator. It wasn't very good. [12:35] Like... [12:38] You can see a little bit, though. [12:40] I just think it's exciting. [12:43] It's just... You love watching chaos online.

I don't know why, but I do. [12:48] Put the headphones on there. Let's see what... I like the music. Okay. So here it is. [12:54] The cop's got his gun out. Oh, this isn't a very good... Yeah. [12:58] See, the cop's got his gun out, and he's trying to think of what to do, and this dude's getting jacked. Oh, there goes the alligator to him. Woo, shit. Shit. [13:06] Yeah. [13:07] Oh, did you see that line of the alligator? Yeah, back that up a little bit so you can see it.

So the dude's trying to swim away. And look at the alligator. Boom! That's a wrap, son. Did he put his hands up here? I don't think so. I think he just... Like right there? Back it up a little bit more. So you see the guy swimming away. What's that? It's a different version. Being good Samaritan. [13:28] Oh, no, the same lady narrating. That's when a gator slammed right towards him. And that's not good. In the midst of his arms. I mean, it was a full-on attack. It was a full-on attack.

Like as if, what, a halfway attack? It's a fucking dinosaur. Look at this. [13:48] There was another story. [13:50] In Florida, a few years back where a guy was running from the cops, I think it was a high-speed chase, gets to a bridge, stops the car, throws it in park, jumps off the bridge, boom, alligator gets him. Literally, like, landed right on a fucking alligator. But that's the reality of the water. All the fresh water in Florida is filled with alligators. They have to check Disneyland all the time, or Disney World.

They have to check it all the time. Remember a little kid got killed there a few years ago? [14:20] to fucking Disney World and it gets killed by a dinosaur? [14:23] rough. And also, it's like [14:27] You know how, I don't know, you have dogs, but are they ever around when you're eating and something falls on the ground? They're always checking the ground. Well, that's what... [14:35] alligators doing the water they're just sitting there just chilling out they hear a little splash you're like oh like a dog was that a a crumb hitting the the floor at the dinner table yeah exactly so they're just over there and they'll just eat whatever hit the water especially if something seems like it's struggling yeah oh i got you opportunists yeah they're so they're just chilling just waiting for shit to hit the water which is that's what fishing is too you know you see that the flies hatching you try to match it try to put it on there and like they're like okay

[15:05] Alligators are masters of taking advantage of opportunity. And every once in a while, some comes off a bridge and, hey, big meal. And it's really shocking how many of them there are in the Everglades. I went, I guess it was three years ago, and when we were there, it's like everywhere you look, you have to look for an alligator. It's like nothing I've ever seen. I thought it would be hard to find them. I thought we'd go out there, you look around, you probably glass a little, see eyeballs pop up.

No. [15:35] They're fucking all over the water. Like how many would you see? We saw 15, 20, maybe more. Just chilling. Maybe 30. You see like some movement on the water and then they dunk under and you're in the fucking swamp, man. It's sketchy as shit. [15:49] Yeah, I've never done it. It's very weird. It's very weird because you're like... [15:54] this is a mess. The feeling that you get there, like, oh, this is infested. You're infested by dinosaurs. And then meanwhile, [16:02] You go an hour and a half later, you're in Miami having a steak, drinking an iced Pinot Noir.

You think you're in civilization. You're fucking a half a day's drive from monsters. [16:16] An infested jungle filled with monsters. And imagine if you weren't in a boat. Like, what if you were to somehow, something happened to the boat? Oh, you fucked. Yeah. What would you do if, like, the boat sank out there? Well, we weren't in a boat. Oh, okay. We drove out. We were with guides, and we drove out in trucks. Okay. And they know, like, where the lake areas are, where the, you know, it's very dense out there.

It's very thick. It's just hot and muggy, and these fuckers just... [16:44] You see them pop up. You see the eyeballs pop up. You see some motion. But you fucking see them everywhere. Yeah. And then you look around at how big the Everglades is, and you go, how many of them are out here? Yeah, millions. Because it's not like we found the honey spot. Right. You know what I mean? It's like the whole Everglades. [17:03] When I was a kid, I lived down there in Florida when I was 11 years old, from 11 to 13.

I lived in Gainesville. And there was alligators back then, but they were endangered. And so you weren't allowed to kill them. And so they would kill people's dogs and shit. I remember this lady in my neighborhood, her dog got jacked. She was walking her dog by Lake Alice and it just snatched her dog and took it away. This is like the late 70s. And we were feeding them marshmallows. So you'd go to the dock and you'd throw marshmallows and the alligators would come up and eat the marshmallows. [17:33] Hmm. [17:33] And it was...

[17:34] It was weird. It was like, it's kind of cool that they're there. It freaks you out a little bit, but they weren't dangerous. Right. [17:40] Cut to all these years later. Now, because no one hunted them, because they basically were making shoes out of them back in the day. And they almost hunted them to extinction. And they should probably start that again. [17:52] We need to bring alligator shoes back. Something needs to happen. Like, back in, like, the 70s, like, that was the cool shoes. Like, in the pool halls where I used to play pool, like, the old guys would talk about how a guy was really dressed up.

He had his gaiters on. He looked good. He had a nice suit. He had his gaiters on. [18:10] Because gators. I got gator boots. Alligator shoes. Lucchese. [18:14] Yeah, gator boots seem to be a different thing because it kind of almost makes sense. Because you get boots that are made out of snake skin and ostrich. That's kind of a cowboy boot thing. But alligator dress shoes, you've got your gators on. Very hard to get. Polish it nice. That's Ric Flair. Oh, yeah. Remember Ric Flair? That's right. [18:39] I love that.

Bro, I've got to apologize to Ric Flair. He got scammed. [18:44] So some person reached out and said that they were representing this podcast and that he was going to come on the podcast. I think Tim Dillon, this happened with him, too. [18:56] And it didn't happen with him where they got him, but they send you an email saying that they're going to have you come on a podcast, but they need your bank information. Yeah, they'll pay you. Sometimes it's like $3,000 because I've got those too. And what it really is is they're just going to empty your bank account, and it's just a scam.

So if you get an email like that from me, it's not real. Sorry, Ric Flair. So Ric Flair, I don't know if he lost his money, but Tim Dillon, they tried to get him on Amy Poehler's show. [19:26] That's the scam. The scam was they reached out to – he talked about it on his podcast. The scammer reached out, said, I'm representing the Amy Poehler Show. We would love to have you on. And he was like, that doesn't seem like that would be a good thing for Amy Poehler. I don't think I'm a good guest.

He was like, I don't think this is real. And then it says, we need your bank account information. And so many people just don't think about it or they're boomers. [19:56] I got an email from them about coming on the show and I'd been kind of communicating with some of those guys before and so I'm like, oh, [20:04] Maybe I mean for me, it's like a big deal, like ESPN and Pat McAfee. He's like to me, he reminds me of you. He just kind of does what says whatever he wants.

He's free. If the bosses say whatever, he's like, fuck off. I just love that unfiltered, like true thoughts. He's a guy who's got fuck you money that says fuck you. That's what I love. It's just it's beautiful. So, I mean, I celebrate that's that's a. [20:28] you know, First Amendment in his glory right there. And he seems like a genuine good. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know him, but it's I don't know him either. But when you hear a guy talk enough. Yeah. Yeah. You can assume or you can like put the pieces of puzzle together.

But and they've wore my stuff on there. So I'm like, oh, maybe this is real. Right. And so the guy I asked, he's just a O. [20:51] He's just a great guy, but he said, no, it's not legit. But they had me because it was like it almost seemed real. [20:58] Fight night is here. Title shots, debut killers, and the rising contender nobody's talking about yet. And only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. The DraftKings app is now available in all 50 states and includes all markets, bringing the game straight to your fingertips wherever you are.

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Like, there's nothing you can do other than tell people it's a scam. Mm-hmm. [22:21] I don't want to tell you how I get guests. I don't want to give up the process. But I have a guy, and I have this guy reach out to people. And I don't want to talk too much about it because I don't want people to imitate that and pretend that that's how they do it. But if you get an email – That's how I got here. Yeah. If you get an email asking for your bank account information, it's not me.

No. And it's probably not Anna Faris or Amy Poehler or Tim Dillon or any of those other people. It's all bullshit. No. [22:51] backs out there. [22:52] If you say you have some elk meat you'll share, that might be real. Nope. I share with friends and family. That's it. I'm not giving it out to weirdos. But you're bringing some bear meat. I know. Dude, I said you're in trouble. I know. You got a lot of notes. We got notes. I got shit we're going to discuss today. I had a scientist on yesterday.

He had less notes. I know. I'm ready. Well, we had some hot... First of all, before we go any further, what's going on with your tooth? Why you got a gold tooth? [23:22] I love it. Yeah. It's, well, it's kind of a joke, but... [23:27] I've been, for years, obsessed with perfect teeth, right? [23:31] And that's like Adam Green. She's always bust. Yeah. And I did like the white strips and all this other shit. And like, I always cared about what would just probably care too much. So now I don't care what I look like.

But what changed? [23:48] I don't know. I've just like been playing the game too long. Now it's just like I'm just done. And the game's not over, unfortunately. Even though I'm saying I don't want to play anymore, the game still goes on. So it's like I'm still part of it. But anyway, I was getting this. Okay, long story short. [24:06] I broke this in high school. [24:09] So I had a fake two since high school. [24:12] Yeah, this is like a long story, kissing this girl, basketball hit me back in the head, broke the tooth.

Anyway. You broke the teeth on her teeth? Yeah. So she had pieces of teeth in her lip. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, it was Jack Devereux did that. But anyway, so I got it fixed, got a few different iterations of it, finally found one that looked good. Well, I go in there. I hadn't been in the dentist in forever because I just hate going. And they said, oh, you got a cavity under that composite is what it was called. [24:42] And I'm like, okay, cool. So we got to take it off, fix the cavity.

Then you get a whole nother one. And I'm like, whatever. Um, so I go back in there and next, next appointment, they take it off. No cavity. [24:54] But now we just have this like whittled down regular tooth, just like a... [24:58] Like a post of a tooth. So because they removed the cavity? Because there was no cavity. There was no cavity. Jesus Christ. They thought on the x-ray there was. So they had the – anyway, the cap or the composite is gone. So they said, well, you need to go and – [25:12] match the color of your teeth for your new fake tooth, [25:16] in Springfield, swing by this Springfield, whatever they do there for dentistry.

[25:23] So I go in there and they said – the girl there goes, hey, my husband, Nate, makes some really cool gold teeth. He does a really good job. Do you want a gold one? And I was like, wait. And so she's like, we'll do a white one too, but – [25:36] a gold one might just be fun and then i'm like yeah it'd be fun so i told trace i'm just gonna do it just [25:41] A day or two. [25:43] So this has been months now. You're going to keep it?

I don't know. I kind of like it. I kind of like it, too. I kind of like it. It's like everybody... Fuck it. You know, everybody's got... [25:51] regular teeth nobody's got gold teeth not anymore it was a thing back in the day remember mike tyson had a gold tooth for a while this is like my savings account because i figure that i'm going to lose everything because i'm such a fuck up but i'll still have this i can sell that sucker out you can buy a cheeseburger yeah if i get in a bind right it's like hey well i got this i have one crown i have one fake tooth back here i cracked one of my molars i had a root canal and then um

[26:21] and then it cracked. Yeah. And so now I've got to get another one because I've got a little piece of it missing. I think I'm going to get a gold one. Nice. Get a gold one right here. Do it. Do it. I'm going to. Now you're inspired me. [26:32] Also, it's in the back, so you won't see it all the time until I... Yeah, I know. Until I give you a big cheese. Yeah, well... I'm going to get it. I'm copying you. When you're cracking up, you always do a big smile.

Yeah. So that'll when people see it, that'll be fun. Fortunately, I laugh a lot. I know. I live a happy life. Yeah, you do. You're crushing it lately. [26:51] Yeah. [26:51] Oh, it's just to keep your foot on the gas. Same old stuff, right? Just keep going. I can't believe – I look at your gas, and it's just like nonstop, dude. It's like people see all your success. You'd think most people would be like, okay, I'm good. I'll put your foot off the gas. [27:06] You don't. No. You keep I mean, you work your ass off.

Well, you very rarely get an opportunity in life to do anything like what I can do. [27:15] And very few human beings get this opportunity. And I feel insanely fortunate and also – [27:24] very responsible. Like, I'm responsible for this whole thing. I have to keep it rolling. I know people are addicted to it. They love it. They want the variety. They want scientists. They want guys like you. They want athletes and fighters. They want all this shit. They want to hear all these different people talk, all these different perspectives.

And, [27:40] It's a huge obligation. I feel I'm connected to all these people. I know I don't talk to them all the time, but I feel it, I know it, and I'm dedicated. [27:51] I just keep my foot on the gas. I never I never say, oh, I can't believe I have to do this. Oh, I can't believe I have to show up. I just. Yeah. I always try to reset every day. Go. God, I'm so lucky. It's so fortunate. And then, you know, when you have that opportunity, I think it's a terrible tragedy, a travesty to not capitalize on it, to not like make the most out of it, because I know that it's like very few human beings in the world.

[28:18] Well... [28:19] I mean, how many people have ever had the number one podcast? It's always gone like back and forth. I've had it for like six years now. Yeah. Six or seven. It might be seven years now. And it's like. [28:30] I'm not keeping my foot off the gas. I'm going to do exactly what I'm doing. I'm going to do it my best. I'm going to keep doing it until the fucking wheels fall off. That's like people have said, like with... [28:41] bow hunting and stuff like... [28:43] If you work your ass off to get this place where you're respected, right?

And then there's going to be people that want your position. [28:51] And like with your attitude, my attitude, too, is like fucking come get it. Yeah, come get it. Come try to take it because I'm working my ass off still. We were hanging out somewhere and you said one of the coldest things to this dude. This dude was we're all just fucking around. I really even forget who it was because it didn't matter. And he said, yeah. And after that, I'm going to challenge you to a race. And you go.

[29:14] Good luck with that. It was so cold. You go, yeah. You didn't even remotely take it seriously. It was like a five-year-old saying they're going to kick my ass. Like, okay, good luck with that. Yeah, I mean, you get confident when it's something you do. Yeah, further down the line than anybody. Yeah, and so if you're going to take my spot. [29:38] I mean, it's been a grind, dude. It's 40 years. Yeah. The whole taking the spot thing is so stupid because everybody's on their own little journey. And you could look at it in terms of I'm going to take that guy's spot and maybe that's your motivation.

And that's cool and all that. But there's a negative attached to that motivation. If you don't have an actual personal beef with someone and you hate them just because they're in a position that you wish you are, you're wasting energy. I know this sounds like very hippie, but it's true. Yeah. [30:07] Like you're that energy instead should be celebrating that there's people like that out in the world that do inspire you and are out there pushing themselves to like extreme limits. Just excelling at whatever it's fucking playing guitar or doing stand up comedy.

You should look at those people like, wow, what are they doing that I can do to make myself more successful or better? Or what where where can I get to a point? [30:37] point where I'm like them. But most people don't do that. Most people are like, fuck that guy. That guy fucking sucks. This sucks. And fucking he's a pussy. And he's a this. And he's using steroids. And he's fucking lying about how many miles he runs. And there's always going to be people like that. And I'm telling my message to the haters.

[30:56] I was a hater. When I was a kid, I was 100% a hater. 100%. Like all the other people, like when I was fighting, everybody else was a pussy. They were all pussies. Unless they weren't in my weight division. If they weren't in my weight division, then I could celebrate them. But everybody in my weight division was a pussy. That guy's, I'm going to fuck that guy up. He's got nothing. I could never celebrate people. Even like national champions, people, I couldn't celebrate them. It's a waste. It's a waste of energy.

[31:26] and analyzing it and being inspired by it. It's a hard struggle because your ego wants you to compare yourself to them and find flaws in them. You know, fuck that guy, fuck this, fuck that guy. [31:38] it's a waste of energy. You have to be selfish with your energy. Your energy is very critical. It's everything in life. Everything you do in life is dependent upon you having energy. And for you to waste your energy in some stupid ego-driven direction, just because you're too weak to recognize like, oh, this guy can kick my ass.

Oh, this guy could shoot a bow further than me. Oh, this guy runs way farther than I can run. Oh, this guy's way better at playing guitar than [32:08] to get where he's at. You've got to just... [32:11] That's a it's a trap because not only does it take away energy, it takes away progress. It takes away energy from you investing in you being better in the future. Right. It's bad all around. Yeah. There's no good to it at all. No, I agree with that. And it's like that that energy is a resource that we have to protect.

I think that when you talk about like you talk about all the outliers that you you have this conversation with or sit across the table from you. [32:41] And I think your attitude and how you look at things like in that lens, that makes people – [32:47] want to come on, like you said, you listed all these people and people want to hear what they have to say. People want to hear what they have to say to you. [32:54] Because you have a way of drawing out more information in a different way because your attitude is so pure.

I think – [33:02] Even if you didn't believe what you said. [33:05] It was still – if you just said like I want to be positive but your questions were all negative like in tone or like confrontational in tone, people wouldn't want to be on here like they want to be on here now. You being positive and looking at things like how can I get better? How can I grow? How can we all – [33:21] learn and, and, um, um, get better from this. That's the lens that you put the information that comes out through these microphones out into the world, which means people are attracted to you.

People are attracted to the guests you have. People are attracted to the show. And so yeah, that energy, we, even though, even if we don't admit it, we are attracted to it. [33:41] You know what I mean? Yeah. You seek it out. And I know when I'm – I like to hear people paint a picture of something that gives me hope. Mm-hmm. I don't want to hear about how fucked up everything is all the time. Right. I want hope. How can I have hope? Because hope gives me purpose. I'm like, okay, I can do this.

I can – [34:04] I get to work, and this will pay off. Yeah. So I think it's like it's more complicated. [34:10] Then we then we think but there's a reason why you're number one have been number one and it's your attitude and [34:16] And it's how you speak to people. It's a little that. Also, I got in really early, right? So I got in at like 2009. [34:24] And there was hardly anybody doing it back then. Yeah. So you could you could also I wasn't as famous back then. So you could do it for a long time before anybody noticed you were doing it.

Right. You get good at it. So you get home, your craft. Right. You didn't have a bunch of comments that you had to sift through. You didn't have that. You just did it. If you started now, maybe you wouldn't be number one. I wouldn't be. You know what I mean? Because there's there's so many. There's I mean, how many podcasts are there now? Yeah. Like what's the number? [34:54] 10 million, 5 million? It was like 7 or 8 million. It probably keeps growing every week because everybody thinks they can do it because everybody can talk.

Well, and the people starting now, they might be you. [35:07] Down the road. Oh, yeah, for sure. There might be some... Well, they'll be them. Incredible conversationalists that... They'll be them. They'll be a different thing than me, but they'll be amazing at it. But you had... [35:18] Because you had this insight or you saw Tom Green or whoever it was that like, "Oh, maybe I could do that." You started this process of this decades of honing your craft. [35:28] to where it is now, and now you've been on top for six, seven years, right?

And it's just because of all those reps that you did. It's no different than anything we always talk about. It's everything. Everything is reps. Yeah, everything is reps. It's just like you want to get good at something? Yeah. Fail. Keep doing it. Fail. Archery is reps. Pool is reps. Martial arts are reps. It's all reps. It's all experience, and it's all like being like super focused on what you're trying to do, whatever it is. [35:58] cast. [36:00] I get... [36:01] I get why this is happening. He's pretty down, kind of on...

[36:06] A lot right now. Just with government, with Israel, with Epstein, with all that, which is... [36:13] By design, almost, they want us to be hopeless. And I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist, but they do want us hopeless because we can be controlled. But Sean, his podcast lately has taken more. I don't want to say dark because it's more real, but it's like it's darker. So I just think that attracts people. [36:33] Less people in a different type of person than yours. You have every reason to be dark about things and you are sometimes, but that's not the theme of you.

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Right now, my listeners can get an exclusive 40% off when you spend $500 or more at com and use the promo code ROGAN40. Limited time offer, com, promo code ROGAN40, [38:44] apply. First of all, people that aren't comedians, they're limited in what they can talk about and the way they can talk about things. Being a comedian, there's a little bit of a safety hatch. A little freedom. You could always like, yeah, what the fuck do I know? It's a joke. I'm a comedian. We're fucking around. You can write it off a little bit.

It's also, that's real in terms of like [39:05] another layer of conversation. Like there's a layer of conversation that is [39:11] commonly known as talking shit. And talking shit is a thing that you do where you're with your boys and you say things that you don't really mean because they're funny and you make each other laugh. You talk about how many dicks you sucked last night. You know, why is your mouth so sore? You know, like you fuck around. You say things. You're silly. You know, you talk about, oh, you know, it's hard doing all this meth.

You know, you don't you're not really doing meth, [39:41] And when you can't fuck around, there's a whole realm of the conversation that's missing. Yeah, for sure. And there's a whole like... [39:50] Like get out of jail pass like let's have fun. Let's loosen up a little here and then we're not loosen up you're serious right and then where does the conversation go back to the serious part which changes it. It's also the serious stuff is what gets engagement. Yeah, and that's a little bit of a trap where if you only focus on the bad of the world and it's not saying you should ignore the bad of the world.

You certainly shouldn't but if you only focus on the bad of the world. [40:14] It's kind of a trap. Yeah. [40:16] It'll fuck your head up, too. You're just swimming in negativity all the time. That's where I see Sean. That's a feeling I've got with Sean lately, whereas... [40:24] With the differences with you, there's a reset. There's always this reset back to good. [40:30] The message is good. Yeah, I think... And I don't think you... [40:34] That's not by design. That's just who you are. [40:37] Yeah, no, it's not about design.

It's just that's how I think. Yeah. It's like you can only dwell on negativity so much. Most of your day is not negative, in fact. Yeah. There's things that you need to be aware of and you need to prepare for them. The problem is, is no, it's not. But our voices are oftentimes negative. So – [40:58] It's easy. If like if you get in that trap where you're listening to negative and you're thinking negative. [41:04] It's a lot of negative, dude. So it's like knowing that, you know, I can go down a negative rabbit hole pretty easy.

I try to avoid... [41:13] waiting in that well sometimes it's like you just get fed up you're like where the fuck are these epstein files yeah who the fuck is this why is this redacted where is it who the fuck killed jfk right like come out with it what the fuck who fucking killed charlie kirk for real yeah like what is that why is that fucking story so clouded and mystery and why did they pave over the fucking ground right after the the shooting what the fuck is going on there see now you're making me in a

[41:43] Do you see my notes? Look at my two on the very top. What does it say? Stay positive? [41:47] Be nice. [41:48] And what does that other one say? You have terrible handwriting. Be positive. Oh, be nice, be positive. But your handwriting is terrible. It is. You should be a doctor. [41:57] But no, I have to remind myself, like, because if you start mentioning those things that you just did. Oh, it's hard. Dude, I will fucking lose my shit. Yeah, it's hard. Because I'm so pissed. I know. [42:08] It should be.

And we're all pissed. We all thought that... [42:13] All that stuff is going to be released right after the election. We're going to drain the swamp and find all the pedophiles. Well, the first term was more like that. That's what gave me hope for this term. The first term, there was some draining the swamp going on, I felt. Then we had the Biden disaster, and now the second term has been, I don't even know what this is. [42:35] I don't even know where it is. Well, it would have been a whole lot different, first of all, if we didn't bomb Iran.

I feel like we bombed them the first time. We were good. The second time was like, even the first time, I was like, what the fuck are we doing? Yeah. And then when they were saying, like, this is it. The escalation's over. We're going to work this out. Like, oh, phew. Yeah. And the second time when we bombed them, I was like, oh, fucking great. Now, in... [43:01] The most people don't want it. That's the real problem. Most people in the country don't want it. Now, look, I'm no fucking foreign policy expert.

I don't know what's going on over there. But I do know that all the people I know that really support Israel above everything else, they're fucking super happy about it. And I'm like, but all the people I know that are like America first or people that are like no new wars that really thought that we're going to change things. And this is all just for money. We're not going to sacrifice soldiers for fucking money. Those people are all upset. [43:29] I don't know really what's going on, though. That's the problem.

And I really wish I understood Iranian politics more and the Iranian military structure because it seems like that's super fucking complicated. Like they've been preparing to be attacked like this forever. And so they have like all these layers of control. Like when this guy gets taken out, new guys are like ready to fill their spot. And then when we're negotiating with a new guy, Israel kills him. [43:59] fuck is going on? And then what happened yesterday? I don't know. [44:03] They captured like 20 oil tankers. [44:06] Oh, did they? I didn't even see that.

Yeah. [44:09] I don't know. It might be bullshit. I just read it very quickly on the toilet in one of the rare weak moments where I travel to X. [44:18] Yeah. It's – Boy, I've been so healthy lately, last few months, just staying off of fucking Instagram. Really? Really? [44:23] off of Twitter, just not reading anything. [44:27] Instagram started funneling me schizophrenics. Oh. I don't know how. The algorithm. I followed one schizophrenic. My name is Dolores. I am the real granddaughter of JFK. The gold that's in the basement is all mine.

They're trying to stuff shit inside my vagina. They wake me up in the middle of the night. [44:45] crazy people. Not just one, but like a whole fucking series of them. And I started getting those a couple of weeks ago. And again, I might spend like 10-15 minutes, but it's all schizophrenic people. I'm like, I gotta get off of this. There's no reason. It's interesting. It's crazy. That's what gets you hooked. I got this one lady, she was a hooker and she's a crackhead, and she thinks everyone's a man. So she'll show up photos of all these different people.

That's a fucking man. [45:15] She's just fucking out to lunch. One guy thinks he's the rightful president of the United States, and he wears this dirty old suit. You look in his eyes. He's out there. The dude's gone. He lives in a completely different dimension than we do. And he's on Instagram. He's on Instagram. [45:31] I start watching sometimes street fights. Oh, I watch a lot of those. There's a lot of those out there. Or the pranks or the jokes or pets. Pets are cool. And then it's just like – [45:45] But it's just a trap.

It just keeps you there. And then an hour's gone. And you're like, what did I do for an hour? It's just terrible for you. But since I've been really good about it, I'm just so much healthier. When I take full days, like days off, I feel so much better. And I'm like, remember when we were in Hawaii? We went to Hawaii a few years back, and we went bow hunting for Axis deer on Lanai. And I broke my phone. I don't know if you remember this. Yeah, I do. My phone just started calling people.

I'd be like, look at this. This is crazy. I'd hang up and start calling a new person. [46:15] So I had to get a new phone and it took like three days. [46:19] It was like three of the happiest days of my life. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I should just get rid of my phone. I was thinking that, but I was like, oh, I can't wait until my phone gets here. Well, where it's really handy is taking pictures of cool stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And capturing those memories.

Yeah. And if you have a question. Yeah. I love it for, because I always have a question about something. I love that Siri now, you can just press Siri and ask it a question. Like, how many minutes are in a month? And it'll just tell you. Yeah. [46:49] You'd be driving on the car, you have a question, just press a button and it gives you the answer. Yeah. It's fucking nuts. How many times did you have a question and you're just like, I'll probably never figure that out. Exactly. But now, no question goes unanswered.

Now it's literally instantaneous. Yeah. You know, and, you know, I'll use perplexity all throughout the day to just ask your questions because I'm just driving around or I'm sitting at home and I'm like, I wonder how that happened. [47:12] Now you know, like instantaneously. Yeah. But the dealing with all the people stuff, that's where I checked out. I'm like, I'm not interested in that. I don't like – it's like if you get a bowl of soup and there's little pieces of meat but most of the soup is shit, all right, I would recommend not eating that soup.

And that's what social media is like. It's like I get some meat out of it here and there. [47:42] scope like whoa this is fucking cool and it'll send me down a nice rabbit hole where I'm like studying things and getting excited about things and then I'll just deal with some fucking kooks and and crazy people and shitheads and grifters and people are that are mad that people are white and people that are mad that people are black and like oh fucking Christ it's exhausting it's too much it's exhausting yeah it's just it's just it's just [48:06] eating soup with shit in it.

It's just like it's not worth it. Speaking of which, you brought in some of that bear. Grab some of that, son. [48:14] And so a lot of people are of the opinion that black bear is not an edible animal. [48:21] Meat, and that is incorrect. I've got a grizzly cougar here full of all sorts of... People can't hear you unless you're on that microphone. Okay. [48:29] Um... [48:30] Give me something. So also this. No one can hear that either. You've got to get to the microphone. Also this. Put that thing down and have a seat.

[48:37] Oh, there we go. [48:39] So [48:40] So do you know who Casey Brooks is? I've heard the name. So he killed a world record elk. That's right. Yeah, yeah. That giant, that thing is crazy. So he does, this is like super hot stuff. [48:51] Oh. Here's what it's called. What is it? A thing you need to know about. [48:55] Shaliton. [48:56] Whatever. It's yours. [48:58] Everything you need to know about... Well, it's all worn out. I know. Maybe on the other page. Small but mighty Chilean chili. Yeah. Okay, so it's a type of chili?

Yeah, you put that on when you're cooking steaks. Where's that knife, Jamie? Here's one. Thank you. Look at that. Ooh, sweet. Oh, look at that fucking elk, man. Oh, my God. That thing's giant. That's nuts. That thing is literally nuts. What was the score on that? It was like 386 or something? No, 486. 486. [49:27] Or no, 486. Yeah. Yeah. 386. Getting close to 500. Yeah. [49:33] Yeah. Whoa, this smells strong. Does it? Oh, my God. Yeah. So these are the chili. Oh, so this is a... [49:40] Yeah, he said you don't need much.

It says... What did it say, 480? It says sprinkle this shit on everything. Okay, yeah. [49:48] This is cool. [49:49] Yeah. [49:50] And also, do you know his son... [49:54] His son is a really good outcaller. I mean, I don't know. Oh, he makes calls. Yeah, we don't usually mess around with that. [49:59] Um, [50:00] I learned how to do these just last year. His son is Bo Brooks. [50:17] This is the old Packout Skinner from Montana Knife. [50:20] But... [50:21] Here's the good stuff right here. So we got some of this.

[50:26] Tell me what you think of this. I've had it the last time you brought it. It's from the same butcher company? No, this is from Whites. Butcher company? Whites up in Portland, and this is Ronnie. Ronnie's the man, dude. Portland, Oregon has a good wild game processor. Yeah, I think it's more like Gresham. [50:41] but is so good. Oh, that is good. Tell me what you think of that. [50:46] Thank you. [50:48] That's fantastic. Yeah, thank you, Ronnie. And then this is a... No trichinosis, right? Hell no. Is trichinosis free?

[50:55] Have you ever tested yourself for chichenosis to see if you have it? You might already have it. There's some bear jerky, too. You might have it and ignored it. [51:03] So the jerky is so good. And then also, like this says whites on it right here. White's country meats. So we got sausage. Oh, you made breakfast sausage? Yeah, it's so good. Nice. Um. [51:14] And then we got some [51:15] rendered bare fat right here. Oh, wow. So you can cook with that. It's dark. Yeah. [51:21] Why is it so dark?

I don't know. [51:24] Um... [51:27] That's crazy. Yeah. [51:28] Clay Newcomb gave me some. Did he? Yeah. Okay. Have you ever used it? Yeah, I cooked steaks with it. Okay. It's great for searing steaks, you know, just like even beef tallow. Yeah. But it gives it a different flavor. For sure, definitely. [51:40] So he did a – it's like – and also, like, the bear in the spring, their fat is a little different. So it just reacts differently. After making the pepperoni and rendering the fat, it just reacts a little differently because they've just come out of hibernation up there.

This is one of the big bear I just killed. And, yeah, so it's just perfect timing for – [51:59] I guess rendering fat and making sausage. I was watching those videos that Jen was making from bear camp. Yeah. Where she smoked that bear for like 24 hours. Yeah. [52:10] so good it looked insane she's like a gourmet chef now with bear yeah and then they had the meat church guy up there this last week and so they were like you know [52:22] bear meat [52:23] When you put a whole back ham on the Traeger.

So she let it soak, marinate for four days, right? And I saw people saying, oh, if you did shoe leather for four days, it'd be good. Whatever. I'm just telling you what it was. Four days. Four days. [52:37] And then 20 hours of a slow cook on the Traeger. Best meat you've ever had. [52:42] It's like incredible. That's bare. You know, there's like people talk about [52:47] The settlers back in the day, they would eat bear and just kill deer for hides. Isn't that crazy? To make clothing because bear was superior meat.

So people have fallen into this trap of like believing that bear meat isn't good. And it's amazing. Well, it's because of yogi.