#2519 - Scott Eastwood

[00:01] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! [00:12] Scotty! Good to see you brother, what's happening? You know... [00:16] Back in the seat. Back in the hot seat. You're looking good, dude. Look at you, you handsome bastard. What's this box? This is the best supplements on the planet, sourced from Japan. [00:27] America and Switzerland. [00:30] North Performance, [00:31] Dr. Massey, do you know him? He's a Stanford doc. [00:34] He started the company. I'm involved. I'm getting heavily involved in the ownership of it, and I'm excited about it.

It's a one – you take it a day, like one satchel. It's got all the shit. Oh, so it's like a prepack? It's a prepack. Oh, I like prepacks. Yeah, one and done. I don't like to think. [00:52] Exactly. Give me prepack. Yeah. Yeah. I like the, I take a purers now. I take, um, uh, pure encapsulations. They have those little men's ultra packs or whatever it's called. Yep. I take those every day with a bunch of other shit. Yep. I'll try your stuff though. Okay. Check it out. So what's so special about these vitamins?

[01:10] You know, it's just, it's more for the person who's like wants to excel in training. So it's got all the amino acids, your creatines, your M&M. All of it in one supplement? It's big. You'll see. Let me see. Pull that bitch out. Let's open it up, baby. [01:26] By the way, this is not an ad. I mean, I guess it is for Scott, but it's like we didn't organize this. I know you're involved in your AGO. I know, but I just want people to know that, like. Yeah. [01:35] I talk about cool shit regardless of whether or not it's an ad.

[01:39] And if something's going to be an ad, I have to approve it. Ooh, look at you. Need a knife? Yeah, let's bust it out. Montana Knife Company, son. There you go. [01:47] Good for cutting elk. That's a skinner, boy. Look at that sucker. Shave that dog. Teach it to hunt. Make the best knives. [01:56] Okay. All right. Supplements. [02:01] So how long have you been involved in the whole supplement thing? Have you always taken them? Oh, it's all in powder? Yep. Whoa. Whoa. [02:09] Bro, try dry scooping that. You're going to choke to death.

That's a lot of powder. That's a lot of powder. That, I believe, okay? Now, at least I'm more convinced because there's a lot of volume here. Yep. Obviously, there's a lot of stuff. Like, if you took every vitamin that I take every day and you busted them up and put them into a powder form, it would be like this. Exactly. So it's 70-plus vitamins in there, and that's the biggest thing, right? Like, efficacy and quantity. You need the right amount. Do you just mix this with water? Is that how you do it?

Yep. [02:39] with a big water and then you just don't have to think about it because i was doing so many a day right as you probably are yeah it's like oh dude yeah i ran out of that one oh i gotta wear that so you're involved in this company did you guys ever send this stuff out for third-party testing do you ever do that it's totally third-party tested so my my very wealthy buddy started it he did it essentially for himself he was like i want the best of the best he's like 55 but he's an adventure athlete and he's like i want the best of the best i don't care what it costs and he's

[03:09] I think I can make a business out of this. So that's where we're at. Good for you, dude. Yeah. Okay, so for people at home, what's the name of the company again? North Performance. North Performance. And is there a website they can go to? Yep. We're just launching it. It's going to be on subscription-based. Yeah. [03:22] Come to your house every month. Oh, nice. Don't just think about it. Oh, I like not thinking. Yep. You got me. Got me hooked already, son. All the things. Volume, so I'm believing in it.

Yep. You know, when I know if you're a very reputable and ethical guy. I know if you're involved in something, it's going to be legit anyway. So that's cool to know. How long have you been taking supplements? Have you been a vitamin guy forever? Yeah, you know, I cycle in and out like anything. Do you? [03:52] Thank you. [03:53] fish oil. [03:54] vitamin D. [03:56] I take... [03:59] MNN or [04:01] NAD, and then glutathione. My dad was always a massive glutathione guy. There's a lot of real health benefits to glutathione.

I think especially liposomal glutathione, which is, I think, more bioabsorbable. Yeah. [04:17] That's awesome, dude. Good for you. I think – and don't listen to your doctor. [04:22] If you have a doctor like I had, my doctor said, all you need is a balanced diet. Most of those vitamins are just going to pee out. And I looked at him like, dude, you look like shit. I didn't say it, but I was trying to be nice. We just had a pot belly. I'm like, this is crazy. You have zero muscle. And you're telling me about balanced diets.

Like, this is bananas, dude. And now that I've looked back on it. [04:43] He was probably how old I am now. [04:46] And he looked like shit. There's a lot of doctors that don't understand that if you want to optimize your health, it's not about what the 100% of the USDA or whatever it is, the requirements. Like there's real science on what the right doses are. And you can find it. It's just complicated. You've got to go online and you've got to go, what's the optimum dose of vitamin D? Are there dangers of going above vitamin D?

Are there benefits of having a high level of vitamin D? Sure. [05:16] it right, you should work with a wellness clinic and have someone go over your blood worth. Fortunately, we have ways to well in town, so I do it with them. Yep. They go over your blood worth. They'll actually make you a vitamin that's designed specifically for what your body needs. They'll encapsulate it all in pill form, tell you how many to take a day, and they'll send you like a bag of vitamins. It's amazing. Yeah, I've been actually thinking about doing that test because...

[05:39] There's certain doctors that will tell you, [05:41] your blood type will dictate what you should be eating. And... [05:47] I've never really got that done. [05:49] Or no, and I know certain people just are like, this is a game changer. I wonder how much of that is voodoo. It might be. It might be a little voodoo. It kind of makes sense, though, if your ancestors came from a specific part of the world. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like – [06:04] We know that's the case with alcohol, like people whose ancestors came from a society.

Yeah. Well, societies that didn't normally drink alcohol, like particularly Native Americans, had a really hard time with it because they just weren't built to metabolize alcohol. They didn't have it as a part of their world. And I guess if you're in a part of the world where your ancestors ate mostly meat, I bet your diet should probably be mostly meat. I bet it fits right in there. And if you come from a place where they ate a lot of specific kinds of grains, like I would wonder. [06:34] Thank you. [06:34] How much of that stuff is real?

Like blood type versus what food you should eat. Because everybody needs proteins, amino acids, vitamins, and all that stuff you get from fruits and vegetables and meat. [06:46] and food and fish and eggs. I mean, if you're looking at the Blue Zone, [06:52] Right? Yeah. [06:53] they essentially... [06:55] have a variety of a Mediterranean diet. It's kind of a variety of everything. They don't just eat red meat, but they eat a lot of fish, but they do eat red meat and they do drink wine. And they sort of have this diet that...

[07:07] is kind of a bunch of everything. And [07:11] You know, there's a bunch of other factors as well. You know, purpose, physical activity, physical activity, community. I think a big one with all these blue zone people is they're just eating real food. That's the real problem with what people need to truly get into their head is the majority of the American diet as delicious as it tastes is like garbage. [07:33] It's bad for you. Yeah. It's actually bad for you. It's not good for you. Real food is good for you.

If you go and you have a grilled chicken and some avocado and a nice salad and a glass of sparkling water, that's actually really good for you. Versus if you go and have a fucking jack-in-the-box double cheeseburger with bacon and whatever sauce and eat the fries, that's poison. It's poison. It's delicious poison. [08:03] Cut back from Europe. My body there feels so much better. And I eat pretty healthy. Okay? I eat healthy here, and I eat pretty healthy there. Yeah, everybody has the same story. So what's going on? It's our food.

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And all these people that live in like Italy and live in these Mediterranean diet places, what are they eating? They're eating food, actual food, real food. But it's not just that. It's like the way the dairy is processed, right? So, you know, [10:57] I actually went to a cheese factory in Italy a couple of times ago in Europe, and I asked, I said, why can my stomach tolerate this and not in America? And they're like, well, first off, the process of making this cheese is like four to six hours in the morning.

[11:12] every day and it gets the lactose out. Whereas we just slap it in, [11:18] and send it out you know and it's like that's not it's also raw cheese you know i had a this i bought a house from this guy who's from france really cool guy he was a doctor very interesting dude [11:30] I got to know him, got became friends with him, and he would smuggle cheese back from France because it was literally illegal to have that cheese. This is California, 2003. Oh, really? Illegal to bring that cheese into America because it was raw.

It hadn't been – all the biology in it hadn't been killed. Okay. So like when we're drinking raw milk, what you're getting is all the enzymes. [12:00] Well, you should be – like it's really good nutrition. Raw milk is good nutrition. There's calcium and protein and fats, milk fats. It's good for you. It tastes good when you drink. If you're drinking a glass of homogenized pasteurized milk, your body is like, what is this? Like this is milk that can just sit on the shelf for months? That's crazy. If you get raw milk – I get it on a Saturday.

By Wednesday or Thursday, it gets a little sketch. Oh, yeah. It starts stinking. That's the cat. [12:30] Listen to what this guy says. [12:32] So he's talking to this guy. This guy's talking about how he's eating bread over in Europe. I don't know. America. [12:40] Can't eat it. That's because in America, what we call bread can't even be considered food in parts of Europe. See, here in America, it's not so much the gluten as what we've done to the grain. About 200 years ago, we started stripping the brain and germ, or the fiber and nutrients, to make flour shelf stable, also nutritionally dead.

Because the nutrients were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a large majority of the population can't even metabolize. Therefore, many people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas. [13:10] called potassium bromate, which has banned in several countries like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted to ramp up production. So we started using glyphosate to dry out the wheat before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fog, tired, and blamed gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat.

The real issue is ultra processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin filled wheat soaked in glyphosate. This isn't bread. [13:33] This is. [13:34] Shout out to this guy. His name is Denny Doerr. Denny, D-E-N-N-Y underscore D-U-R-E on Instagram. I'm going to fuck with the audio there because that song will... [13:45] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So what I get from that, and I have seen this actually. Damn it. It's just essentially pure greed. [13:52] to keep bread shelf-stable for longer. Well, it's their business model, right? So their business is set up on shelf-stable stuff.

And the problem is it was... [14:01] it was greenlit, right? So the problem is whatever year they started doing that, they built their entire business on doing it that way. So this was the argument when RFK Jr. came in and said, you have to stop using these dyes for children's cereals. And they were saying, this is going to ruin our business. And he was like, you already make the same kind that we're asking you to make for Canada, because Canada doesn't allow them to use the dyes. The same cereal. [14:27] They make it in the United States, and it looks not as good because it doesn't have the juicy, delicious, bright, vibrant dyes that give you fucking cancer.

But the reality is it's just their business model. They're set up to do it a certain way, and to change would be very expensive. So what do they do? They fucking hire lobbyists. They hire lobbyists. They get their guys into the FDA. They get their guys into this organization, that organization, and they make sure that they're protected. [14:57] And you go to Italy and you have a spaghetti and you feel great. You don't feel like you got shot with a tranquilizer dart. You know, it's kind of amazing. There's a dart in your neck, man.

We've talked about it so many times. You go over there and you go, why am I living the way I live? [15:11] These people are just hanging out, having a good time, having a cigarette, laughing. Yeah. [15:15] That shouldn't even be a thing we're arguing about. I don't even understand. It's just like that gets lumped into that. It's like. [15:21] No, that's for the betterment of society. Yeah. What? What? [15:26] Why is that a thing? We live in a weird world, man, a world that doesn't completely make sense. And then on top of it, it gets connected to political ideologies.

So it used to be that the people on the left were really concerned about healthy food. Like when I was a kid, we used to go to the health food store. My parents were hippies, and they would buy whole wheat bread. They would try to buy organic food. And that was the thing on the left. [15:56] processed foods. [15:57] And because all these movements are connected with Trump and RFK, there's so many people that are rejecting something that's beneficial to everybody because somehow or another they have this connected to some right-wing anti-science position.

Like, God, you guys are getting brainwashed. We should all be eating organic food. That should be the only food. We're not doing that. [16:27] the most wealthy country. Yeah, groupthink is like a crazy thing. It's a... [16:34] It's... [16:35] It's really sad because people aren't really actually thinking critically about each subject. They're just jumping on to something they're... [16:44] they've been told or is in their echo chamber or whatever. You know what I mean? I like to think no matter what issue it is, I'm like, okay, well, let's evaluate that.

Let's kind of look at both sides. Maybe there's like, and maybe there's some in between. [16:56] that's [16:57] Both things can be true. [16:59] Yes, for sure, and that's a problem. If there's something that's accurate that the other side is saying and you're rejecting that because it doesn't align with your political ideology, that's bad for everybody. [17:10] I think the group think that we have to all really align with is the group think of being open-minded. [17:16] Being actually open-minded and willing to accept different ideas and also recognize that you are not your ideas.

Your ideas are just thoughts. Do not connect yourself with them. You are you. And if you really want to have a stable you, you want to be proud of what you are, you should be completely detached to ideas. [17:46] The reality of whatever we're talking about, whatever subject matter is. But the reality is you can't be married to your ideas because they'll fuck you. They'll fuck you over every time. It's not going to work. You have to be flexible, and you have to be willing to say, even though I hate this guy, he's right about that.

It's very important. It's okay to be wrong. Yeah, even though I think this guy's a piece of shit. I was wrong about that. He lies about a lot of things. But that thing that he's saying is actually true. [18:16] or [18:17] maybe an unpopular or something people don't talk about is, [18:23] they divide, in my opinion. [18:29] to control. [18:30] If you don't have division, [18:32] that's when the pitchforks come out. If you don't have the illusion of choice... [18:36] And a team... [18:38] That's when... [18:40] you're like, well, fuck that.

They're taking our money. We're paying all these taxes. We're doing this thing. And we actually don't have a choice. Right. [18:46] Maybe that's... [18:47] The reason it's, you know, there's these teams, red and blue. [18:51] And it's actually just one higher [18:53] group that are actually making decisions, the big money. Yeah, well, for sure they benefit from people being at each other's throats. They benefit from culture war stuff. They benefit from people arguing over whatever it is, Pride Month or whatever it is, Black Lives Matter. Rile people up and then people are thinking about this and this instead of.

[19:12] hey, like this is actually going on. [19:14] Yeah. I'm not talking about that. Yeah. I mean, look, every time there's... [19:18] I mean, when Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky, they started bombing like right afterwards. That's the real power. That's what they do. It's a good move. It's a good move to distract people. Because otherwise that shit's going to stay in the news cycle until something big happens. So you've got to make something big happen. Yeah, we're involved in a game and we don't think it's a game. We think that what we're doing is trying to make the world a better place and vote for people that have similar values.

That's not the game they're playing. [19:48] that we care. Let's pretend that we want to fix the homeless problem. Let's pretend we want you to have health care. Let's pretend. But meanwhile, there are... [19:59] A good percentage of them are demons. [20:01] They're just sociopaths, completely devoid of any feelings of what the consequences of their action are going to have on people's livelihoods, losing their homes, losing their businesses. They don't give a fuck. They care about their own career, and they want to keep on truck until they become the king of the country.

And that's what they're trying to do, and that's a giant pile of these fucking demons. There's a lot of them out there that think like that. [20:25] And then there's real good people that get involved in politics as well. Boy, we need them to make us feel better. This episode is brought to you by Blue Chew. I'm sure you've heard of Blue Chew by now. But let me tell you what they've been up to. They've been on a mission to get you bricked up for years and now the number one brand for better sex.

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[21:25] com for more details and important safety information. This ad and the products being advertised are intended for a United States audience. No, I was, we were actually talking about it. My buddy gave me a lift here, uh, today on his plane and he's very wealthy, successful guy, but he was getting riled up about some trans thing and an issue. And I, and I was like, why do you think you get riled up about it? I was like, do you think that [21:51] maybe that's just a cause for division and the, [21:55] Like what you know, like if you get upset about [21:58] sound out of someone's mouth when you think about it it's kind of like from a 30,000 foot level it's like you're getting riled up about a [22:06] an idea about a sound that's coming out of someone's mouth, like you're letting that affect you.

[22:11] Right, and it's not affecting your real life. [22:14] But you're choosing to focus on that. [22:16] And it is an issue, but is it an issue that's of paramount importance in your life when you're on your own private jet flying somewhere? I know. I couldn't think about it. I was thinking about it. I was like, you're this billionaire, and you're upset about that. And I go, you're wasting your time thinking about that instead of – [22:35] a million other things we could talk about or think about. Yeah. It was interesting.

Well, it's... [22:40] I mean, it's always been a tool. As much as we like to say, no, these are real issues that we face. We really have a real cultural issue that we have to – I get it. That's true. But however, you have to recognize that that tool has always been used by dictators, by – Divide and conquer. Art of war. I mean, it's the – From the beginning. Yeah, and it's important. And it's one of the beautiful things about our country is that we have two parties. So it's so easy to do because it's just good guys and bad guys.

There's no good guys, bad guys. In between. [23:10] I like them. Let's go to that guy. Let's go to the discipline side. But no, it's like you can only be on the right or on the left. And if you're on the right, you get lumped into these crazy people that have these big Jesus rallies and they talk in tongues and you get lumped in with white nationalists. [23:40] believe pushing that that you get lumped in with them too when you're just like hey i think the second amendment's important you know like oh you must be a far right wing conspiracy theorist like oh come on like you can't always count on the cops you know you you should be able to protect yourself because bad people have guns it's that simple it doesn't mean you're going to use them all the time like this is crazy you could kill people with a variety of different methods you know you don't [24:05] You don't need to lump everything into right and left, but people do.

[24:10] They do because they're being told to. You know, if you're on the left, you have to accept, you know, trans women are women. You have to – there's a whole bunch of – like, they're kind of moving away from that now. In a big way, they're moving away from the competitive thing, like with trans women competing in school athletics. Because it's like after a certain amount of fucking championships, you know, you just got to go, hey. Come on, guys. That's a guy. That's a guy fighting women. Be kind. Be sweet.

Those people have always existed. [24:40] trans, they can go in the women's room too. You didn't think about this. The fact that they never factored in the one segment of society that has always been the most hated and the most looked out, like make sure that they don't come near you. [24:57] psychopathic perverts [25:00] Like psychopathic perverts that prey on men, guys that want to go in women's bathrooms, guys that want to like grab women after bars. Those guys have always been terrifying. Yeah. And we just gave them a Willy Wonka golden ticket.

Just wear a dress. Like imagine you're a fucking old school pervert and you're 80 years old. You're like, fuck, I missed the boat. Yeah. You've been in and out of jail for doing all kinds of creepy shit. [25:24] pretending you're a woman, I think we should just be able to hunt. [25:27] Hunt them. Like, for real. I would lose zero sleep. Real perverts? Yeah. The thing is, like, child molesters? Yes. No problem. Just let's go hunt them. Well, they're broken. And I don't know how you could ever think you're going to fix them.

And then there's this weird trend where in... [25:43] Some academic circles, they're trying to label them as minor attracted persons, which is just this thing of just empathy falling into chaos. Like you have so much empathy that you're willing to ignore – [25:58] You know, all kinds of crazy. Like what's going on in the UK with the rape gangs? They're willing to ignore it because they don't want to be seen, deemed as being racist. They don't want to be deemed as being Islamophobic. Like, okay. [26:14] culture and because of [26:17] you know, [26:17] some very extreme groups.

[26:20] is pretty scary. It's scary. It's super scary. It's scary because it can happen anywhere in the world. It can happen in America too. And if you think it can't, you're nuts. And the beautiful thing about America is you're supposed to be able to practice any religion you want. You're supposed to be able to be a Buddhist. You're supposed to be able to be a Baptist. No one should care. And we should all be able to get along. It should be a true melting pot. But there's other organizations [26:50] over cities and change the laws and we were talking about with tim dillon what happened with dearborn michigan all these like liberal people like yeah we love muslims everyone's amazing so they got a muslim mayor and the first thing he did is like no more pride flags it's illegal because what he would like is sharia law like if you ask the majority of practicing muslims like worldwide how many of them would like sharia law and it's it's a it's not a small amount you know that's [27:20] other people.

If you want to have your mosque and you want to pray five times a day, wonderful. You should be able to do that, 100%. Everybody should appreciate the fact that there's all sorts of different ways of worshipping God. [27:31] Great. I don't know who's right. But as soon as... [27:35] culture starts taking over and putting in values that [27:39] First of all, grossly deteriorate women's rights. Grossly. That's bad. That's when it falls apart. And that's their culture. And you have to understand that they've accepted. When they're wearing those traditional head garbs and body coverings, that's their culture.

And they want women to dress like that. And we have to stop that from spreading. You should be able to do it if you want to. But the idea that you can take over a town or take over a city, that's a flaw in our system. [28:09] Because – [28:11] Every city should have the same sort of national rights. Every city should have the rights that we have where you can wear whatever you want to wear. [28:21] Practice whatever religion you want to practice, and you shouldn't be persecuted one way or the other.

[28:27] Yeah. [28:27] But when you get a country like England, it just lets them in, mass migration. And then you're ignoring the chaos that comes with it. That's not good. And that makes you wonder, like, are they wanting – [28:39] the society deteriorate to the point where they can say, hey, we're going to make new laws to protect you because – [28:46] You need to protect them. So you have mass surveillance everywhere, more police on the streets, more people getting arrested. [28:54] And in England, they're also getting arrested for social media posts.

I've been hearing about that. It's nuts. More than China, more than Russia, more than Russia and China combined. Yeah. It seems as if the grab for power is just done in plain sight now. Yeah. And I hate to say this, but they don't have the Second Amendment. [29:14] It's part of the problem. [29:16] part of the problem is you're not armed. So like when shit goes sideways, [29:20] You don't have a lot of options. [29:23] And what are you going to do? All get together with shovels? What are you going to do?

Grandpa's got a bird gun? Let's go get Grandpa's bird gun. What the fuck are we doing? [29:33] Get Grandpa's bird again. There's no way to keep the police out of your town. [29:39] Yeah. Yeah, it's not good. I think hopefully there's enough sensible people where we're going to come out on the other end of this. [29:48] But it's going to be real hard with this right versus left bullshit. No, well, but, you know. [29:53] Not to toot your own horn here, but voices like yours are really important because you examine a lot of different people.

And you've pulled in like almost – I was thinking about the other day like an encyclopedia – [30:06] of different type of people and different types of subject matter where you can type it in a chat GPT and say, can you tell me about – [30:13] this thing that [30:14] And then they'll, oh, do you want to hear an... [30:17] two-hour podcast that Joe did about it with the expert of such and such. And that's pretty cool because in it [30:23] expands people's mind it's much easier than having to you know go and and read about something you know that's an interesting well if it gets people stimulated that's great but the reality is we should be teaching people to think correctly from the time they're young and i think we're spending way too much time giving them information and not teaching them how to think correctly yeah and not [30:45] Also, like – [30:47] you know, [30:49] Giving them something that excites them and giving them something that they can understand why it's important to be interested in something.

Like why it can benefit you, how it can stimulate you, try new things out. Like, oh, this is exciting. I feel better. I feel good. People like tasks. They like that. We should be taught that from the time we're young. Instead, we're just basically groomed to becoming workers. [31:19] you're off. [31:19] So essentially 39 to 40, right? Because I've been working head down for 20 years. I hadn't looked up. I've been living out of a suitcase. Movie to movie to movie to movie, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [31:30] And I thought it would make me, it would give me better perspective.

It would maybe whatever, you know. [31:37] Where am I going in the next 10 years, kind of my thinking? [31:42] And I actually got more depressed. [31:47] I was like, wait, what the fuck is going on? I feel more depressed. And it kind of just goes back to... [31:53] Just stay busy. Get up and do shit. Well, the thing is you're busy, but you're busy doing what you love. And that is a gift. That's a real gift. Yeah. And we're both very fortunate in that regard. And anybody who's listening to this that actually does what they love, whatever it is, beekeeping, carpentry, you're doing what you love, you're so lucky.

Create. Go out and create. Don't take. Yeah. Be a creator in anything. Like if you're a plumber, whatever, fix someone's pipes. Have a purpose and create. [32:23] take. [32:24] Oh, there's takers and there's creators, you know? It's like I was actually listening to podcasts, and the guy said that, and I was like... [32:29] Yep. [32:30] That's it. [32:30] If you create, you're [32:32] exponentially happier I think because you're [32:35] You're giving society something you didn't have. It's a benefit to the people that are interacting with you with whatever you're doing.

Yeah. And that's good for you, for sure. [32:44] And I think – [32:45] Unfortunately – [32:47] Look, I don't want the responsibility to be the guy who gives everybody curious things to think about. Oh, you're not the only person. No, of course. But you are. You are. I really think that this kind of thinking, the kind of thinking that lets you explore things and gets you interested in things, should be in schools. Instead of just forcing fucking history down their throats and math down their throats, give people the tools to be excited about things.

Show them cool shit. [33:17] Learning about things is actually really interesting. You know, it just has to be something you're interested in. And then they'll realize like, oh, I can get good at stuff. I can pursue something instead of just being a cog in the wheel. Like most people feel. Most people feel like, fuck, the economy sucks. I just got to get a job. And then you just get home and you just want to play video games or do something to stimulate yourself because you hate jobs. And then next thing you know, you're 35 and you don't know what the fuck you're doing and you're stuck.

[33:47] of people listening to this right now. And it's because they were never instructed how to think about things. They were never instructed to try to find something that you're actually interested in. Go do the thing. Get the job. Encourage that curiosity. Yeah. [34:00] Whatever it is, man, being a fucking car mechanic, whatever thing you're interested in, there's got to be a thing. You just got to find that fucker. You can get good at anything. Yeah. And that will produce money. It's like – [34:11] Also, part of the problem is culturally, I think we...

[34:15] we place too much value in like becoming rich and, Oh, you got to do this. And it's like, no, hold on. [34:23] Don't miss the point. [34:25] get good at something and [34:27] that you love, and then that will produce... If you get good enough in anything, you'll make money out of it. For sure, but the problem is with kids, it's everything today, they want it fast, really fast. They want Ozempic, right? They don't want to go on a diet. They want... [34:42] Get, you know, whatever it is, fill in the blank with whatever thing that they want to get really fast with scams, crypto, anything where they're going to get rich quick, you know, whatever they're going to do to get rich quick, because it's like this this tick tock mind culture where people just want that easy, quick fix in a pill instead of doing the work.

[35:02] When you think about a job or going down a career path, like acting, for instance, like what you did. First of all, you did it. You would think, oh, great. Clint Eastwood's his dad. He'll help him. No, I made it worse. [35:17] People are like, no. You had to prove that you were a really good actor for like a long time before people go, oh, yeah, Scott's actually really good. Because it's always going to be your Clint Eastwood's kid. Oh, yeah. You know, and then he didn't fucking help you.

[35:32] Your grind was, I know you, your grind was years and years and years and years and years and years of just fucking hustling and putting in the work. Most people see that and they go, wait, how long is it going to take? [35:43] What? 14 years? 20 years? What? Like when we talk to comics, that's a big thing that comes up in comedy clubs. Like most comedians say a comic isn't even really a comic until 10 years. 10,000 hour rule, right? I don't know if that's real. There's something to that.

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[36:39] And it's comfortable. [36:40] It's nice to drive. [36:41] Another cool thing, you don't have to choose between control and performance. You've got all-wheel drive when you want the grip, but you can switch it to rear-wheel mode and just have fun with it. Totally get why people are so excited about this car. I loved it. Check out the new Dodge Charger Scat Pack. Learn more at com. Dodge is a registered trademark of FCA US LLC. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace, the home of my website, com. [37:11] your business, you got to improve your website.

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Yeah, 100%, especially skills-related things. Like jujitsu is a perfect example of that. Jujitsu, 100% you get better the more you do it. But 1,000%, if you drill correctly and you have mastery of the fundamentals of the tech teams, you really truly understand leverage points, where you're supposed to be, when it's secured, when it's not, when there's no escape. [38:19] around and just like resisting hard with people and you'll get somewhere but you won't get nearly as far as you would get with focused really systematic breaking down of techniques so it's like the 10 000 hour thing is it's there's something to it the more you do it the better you'll get but really it's the intention that you put into each and everything you do that is as if not more important than the time like it's amount of it's about it's about enthusiasm it's about [38:49] And your willingness to look at it as objectively as possible.

Especially with jujitsu is a thing. It's like your ego is involved because you don't want to get tapped out and you don't want to get humiliated. So you don't want to try things. So you keep a tight game. And you never grow. And your ego actually holds you back by that. But telling people that it's going to take that long. If you knew how long it would take to get to black belt, you're like, oh, God, it's too much work. [39:19] as your ego gets stripped from you. [39:21] doing jujitsu is that you realize it doesn't matter what level I'm at, there's always going to be a thousand more guys.

[39:30] Above that level that will still choke me out. You realize how much I [39:35] how, like, you're like, no, I kind of am a pussy. You're like, I'm not, you know, I'm not as tough as I am. [39:42] You know, you know now. [39:44] You really know. Well, I really know because I work for the UFC. Yeah, you know. I'm always around like every week and dozens of guys can kill me. Yeah. And there's people that can kill them, which is crazy. It's like there's levels to levels. You know, when a guy like Ilya Teporia knocks out Max Holloway like, whoa.

And then Justin Gagey beats up Ilya Teporia like, whoa. It's like there's so many guys out there. You have to be humble. And it's good for you. [40:14] original. [40:14] Yeah. But my point was for young people, they have to get interested in the path. [40:21] It can't be just the results. And the path is really where you grow and you become something special in life. You have to be on that path for a long-ass time and try to keep getting better at it with every day. Every effort you put into it, do it whatever the fuck you're doing.

Do it to try to get better at that thing. And eventually success will come. [40:41] You're going to have to manage that success. You're going to chase it. You're going to have to figure things out. But the most important thing should always be the path. [40:48] That's true. Yeah. I think that's in everything, in anything you do. If you're making music, if you're writing books, it can't be I'm going to sell a million copies. It's got to be I need to fucking make this the greatest literature that's ever been read.

But I also think we need to push – [41:07] because of this whole quick money and thing, [41:10] the morals and codes people have. [41:14] are not taught enough... [41:16] to young people. Do the right thing. When you say you're going to do something, be there. When you... [41:22] Make a promise. [41:23] do it, complete it. Don't just, you know, people just are so so happy and this culture of, of, you know, oh, whatever, fuck them, we can just do whatever we want. It's like, that's, [41:34] fucking terrible behavior. [41:36] to [41:37] put out to young people.

[41:39] You know, you've got to have a code and a value system. That's what my dad, I mean, he was so, you know, you make a promise. That's all you have in this life is your word. So it's like. [41:50] You gotta do something. [41:51] You got to like, your dad should have been president. Why didn't he run for president? He would have, because he did, because he did politics. He would have fucking won. I know he's the mayor of Carmel. Yeah. And then he said, [42:00] Never. [42:01] looking again.

It would have been a fun president, though. [42:06] I don't know if I would have liked it though. Then it would have been like everyone. No, you everyone would have come in after me for no reason, bro. You'd have been Don Jr. Jesus. You would have got roped up into some crypto scheme. Everybody would hate you. Making billions. Yeah. Jeez Louise. Yeah. [42:32] Yeah, politics are dirty. I wouldn't have done it either if I was him. But when Ronald Reagan ran, a lot of people were like, finally. [42:38] Finally, a guy who like...

[42:40] is good at acting. I mean, that's kind of what the president is. It's a role. Part of it is a role. [42:49] Like you're playing a leader and the way you behave, it's like you have to, it's very formal. The way you communicate is very formal. Yeah. You know, and actors are going to be better at that. [42:59] You know, like Josh Brolin, that guy could be the president. 100%. [43:04] That dude could kill it as the president. He looks like a president. Didn't he play a president in the George Bush movie?

Yes. That's right. He played Bush. Yeah. He could be president. You know? I know they tried to get The Rock to run. Yeah. I think he was thinking about it. Yeah. Not much. He told me, fuck this. Yeah. Or maybe he was just hyping it up. He was kind of, he was toying with, he was like, yeah, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. He's very smart with social media. Yeah. He's a wizard at that stuff. But I think he's too smart to run for president. [43:33] Isn't that crazy?

Get that giant-ass pro wrestler. [43:37] That guy, he should be our president. [43:39] At least we know that our president could fuck up all the other presidents. That would be nice. No, that's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see some sort of version. It's like, okay, great. You've got to be smart enough, but you also have to maybe do some sort of [43:53] like fight or some sort of physical like competition because you can't just be, you know, you've got to be athletic. You got to be, you know, that would be cool.

It's already a giant show anyways. We should really make them do about seven grams of mushrooms. [44:09] Anybody who wants to be present. That would be good. You do seven grams of mushrooms. We film it. We do it in a dark room with infrared cameras or night vision cameras. Freak out. Yeah, yeah. We want to know how well you handle God. But also expand your mind a little bit. Don't be so rigid in your ways, right? Yeah. Well, also, I think a lot of those people would benefit from a psychedelic experience because it would just make them realize that there's a lot more to the world than you can see right in front of your face.

[44:39] think any differently again. You're always going to be like, okay, there's a part of this that's not real. Trust me, I did 5-MEO. And it was, I mean, I was... [44:51] some life-changing stuff. Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, right? That's the first thing you think, like, oh, my God, I killed myself. Yeah. Like, I'm not around anymore. Yeah, yeah. And, and, and... [45:00] I think what was the most powerful thing was [45:03] when you come back, it felt like seeing the world for the very first time again.

Like, the first time you saw grass, the first time you saw... [45:11] the sun, the first time you felt the wind. I mean, I cried, I bawled for 45 minutes in my buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did it. Whoa. And I was like... [45:22] I'm just so uncomfortable after about five seconds. I'm going to cry on the couch. It's enough. Why are you hugging my girlfriend, bro? [45:33] You handsome bastard. Get off of her. [45:39] But it was powerful. Well, your ego is completely shattered after that stuff. You probably weren't even thinking of who you're hugging.

You just want to hug a human. [45:52] the universe. And there is no [45:54] There's no... [45:55] like [45:56] particular destination. It doesn't exist. You're a part of everything all at once. It's a very strange feeling. [46:03] And no one has ever done it and go, I didn't think it was that big a deal. Everybody who does it is like, wow. Yeah. Yeah. [46:10] Like, I've known, I know a few, uh, [46:14] prominent right-wing people. [46:16] That have done it. [46:17] They would completely change their life. A couple of them don't even talk about it, so I don't want to mention any names.

Yeah. But then they want to talk to me about it. [46:25] And they're like, yeah, so I'm a different person now. Like whoever I used to be, I'm not that guy anymore. [46:31] Because once you know that you really are a part of the whole universe and it's like all the molecules, everything, everywhere is connected. There is no space. There's no space between anything. Everything is filled with something. It's all a soup. It's a giant soup of energy and vibration and energy. [46:51] It kind of actually made me sad for the people who will never try it and are so...

[46:58] dealing with so much pain or dealing with such a rigid thinking or whatever it is. [47:03] that it could help them. And I was like, oh man, that... [47:07] That is sad. [47:09] The rigid thinking is a big one. It's interesting that it's becoming much more accepted to talk about. You know, I see... [47:17] like grown adults who are very successful, who run businesses, and they talk about psychedelics. And when I was young... [47:25] When people talked about magic mushrooms or anything like that, it was always like you were a fool.

You were a crazy person who wanted to trip and see things that weren't there. It was never like you were trying to expand your consciousness and you were trying to just enrich your experience in life and have a better perspective and ego death and all those things that people are trying to do and be more connected to God. [47:49] But now it's commonly discussed. It comes up all the time. [47:53] So the public's perception on this is, [47:55] has really radically shifted in my lifetime. And I think... [48:00] It's because of the internet.

I think it really started to change where I heard people talking about it in the early 2000s. [48:08] And it was even before social media because there was a bunch of articles that were written and a bunch of people were talking about positive psychedelic experiences and people were talking about how it helped them quit heroin and people were talking about all these different things that were connected to mushrooms in particular. But then all the Terrence McKenna stuff that he was talking about DMT and LSD and a bunch of different psychedelics that have helped him.

And so – [48:34] All this stuff started getting out there and then YouTube. And with YouTube and with podcasts, then people really started hearing about it from people like Michael Pollan. And you're like, whoa, Michael Pollan is a very respected journalist. Like what is he talking about? He wrote a book about psychedelics called Change Your Mind? Like what? And so it's now where rational, intelligent, educated people are free to talk about it and they often do. And so that just alone gives me – [49:03] hope because I feel like that's a big change in how people view something.

Well, was it – and I don't exactly know the history, but I've heard – [49:15] Was there alcohol lobbyists that were trying to kind of suppress weed use? The alcohol lobby has. Did it also go to psychedelics as well? They haven't yet. No. Well, I'm sure they are leaning in the direction of it not being legalized. But the problem with alcohol and marijuana is that places that do have legal marijuana, you see a diminished alcohol intake. Sure. The diminished alcohol intake is measurable. [49:45] It costs them money. Yep. It's real.

You also have the darker thing, which is prison lobbies. Explain. Yeah. They lobby prison guards unions. They lobby. There's a bunch of people that lobby to make marijuana laws, keep them on the books so they can keep locking people up. Sure, because that's a massive business, right? Yeah. Their business is keeping people in cages, which is really fucking crazy. Yeah, that's pretty dumb. It's really crazy that someone who's in the business of locking people up can actually [50:15] Get locked up for something that no – Nonviolent crime. Yeah, and especially marijuana.

Like most Americans don't think that you – that it should be illegal. It's a large number. It's like more than 70 percent I think. Like what was the – what amount of Americans think that marijuana should be legal? [50:36] Let's see if there's a poll. Put that into perplexity. See what the universe says. I would say it's about 67% of Americans think marijuana should be legalized. [50:46] Legalized. Yeah. What do you think about all drugs being legal? [50:51] It's a tough argument because for sure you're going to lose some people.

If you make all drugs legal – look, if they made drugs legal right now, I'm not going to go buy heroin. I'm not buying fentanyl. I'm not into meth. I'm not interested. If I could go to the pharmacy and pick up meth, I'm not going to pick it up. But some people will. 70%. [51:10] 70% of Americans say marijuana should be legal in general, according to a recent Gallup poll. If you include people who support either medical or recreational legalization, it's 88% to 89%. [51:21] S. adults say marijuana should be legal in at least some form with only about 11 percent wanting it to be completely illegal.

And those people need to try it. [51:35] I have – I always – I get a little scared and paranoid sometimes where I was like, maybe I have – [51:42] like a propensity to like some sort of schizophrenia or something I was like, Oh, I don't this isn't I was like, I don't like this. This made me kind of go psychoschematic. And so did it just make you scared? Or did it like distort reality for you in a way that was? No, I don't. I don't know if it distort reality just got my brain

[52:01] You know, it got my brain so... [52:03] freaked out about [52:06] Things that were out of my control. That's the part I like. Now, I can see why, because, like, you know, mushrooms, they make you face some things that you're going on in your life. Yeah. Yeah. [52:16] And I think that's healthy. I don't know. Potts has never agreed with me. I think what I like about it is when it wears off. [52:25] I like that fear. I like, like Joey Diaz says, go meet the devil. I think there's some benefit to freaking out.

[52:36] Because then it calms down and you have more perspective. But I think what's going on is you really can't think about all the threats of the world and all the problems in the world and all the things that can go wrong in your life. You can't think about those on a regular basis. You've got to kind of put your blinders on and keep on trucking. Sure. And then marijuana is like, what's that in the corner of the room that you're scared of? And you're like, oh! [52:58] But I will say, as you know, important...

[53:01] before the frontal cortex is fully developed because there is some danger for young men specifically. Yes. Right? Yes. And schizophrenia and like, you know, some stuff that can come if you're not, I think that's with anything, right? Yeah, I don't know if it causes schizophrenia, but it's really bad for brain development, especially young people that smoke regularly. It's not good for you. It's just not good for you. And, um, [53:26] I know that's hard for people to hear because they want to get high. Just trust me. If you're getting high all the time when you're 14 years old, it's going to fuck your head up.

Yeah. It's not good for you.