#2518 - Tim Dillon

[00:01] Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day! [00:11] I was smoking, and my father said that to me, he goes, You know what's a good thing about you? You never smoke them down to the filter. What a good kid. And what a great family. And what a great family. My sister smoked when we were in high school. I was like, God, why are you smoking? It's so stupid. [00:30] and a couple other people, and I was supposed to play this...

[00:33] Something that a bunch of comics wrote, like a funny little sketch thing. And I was supposed to play this like tortured liberal arts student and I was like smoking cigarettes. So they wanted me to smoke cigarettes while I was doing it. So I smoked like 15 fucking cigarettes while we were doing it. And I threw up. I had a fucking horrible headache. I was like, oh my God, I'm so high. Wow. I'm like, my arms don't move right. If you've never smoked cigarettes at all and you just smoked 15 in a row during.

Were you like an athlete too? Oh, yeah. Oh, so that totally fucked you up. Oh, completely fucked me up. Oh, yeah. Yeah. [01:03] But I was like, this is great. My body responded. I don't know how, like what you had is the very normal experience. It was just too much. One cigarette I actually liked. I was like, Ooh, what a head rush. This is kind of cool. I go now I got, I kind of get it. I get why you guys like this. Interesting. But I had, we were doing this thing and I had to always be smoking.

So we had to rehearse. We were doing it all day and I wanted to try to like feel normal with a cigarette in my hand. So I kept smoking them and then I liked them. So I kept smoking them. [01:32] Yeah, it's a tough thing because the thing about, and I've been sober 15 years from alcohol and drugs. [01:39] And I look at people that are really drunk. It doesn't look appealing. It doesn't look good. But when you see somebody with a cigarette, it always looks good. [01:47] It looks like, ah.

It always looks good. You never say to yourself, like, that person is going to lose. Now, you'll get sick and die, but you never go, they're going to lose control of their life. [01:57] Right. So you look at somebody with a cigarette and you go, oh, yeah, they're having one. They're cool. It's fine. They're using it to help hang on. Yeah. I never look cool with it. It's like you look at an actor doing it or someone at like the Cannes Film Festival. Sean Penn. Yeah. Someone like that. Yeah. Timothy Chalamet has one.

He's the size of one. And he has one. And I go, that looks fine. Does he smoke? [02:18] Probably in France or something. You know what I mean? They all do shit like that. So you'll see that. You should get a cigarette holder to go with your sunglasses. Yeah. One of those Hunter Thompson cigarette holders? Yeah. That's your next move. I just got a... Long stems with the cigarette at the end of it? Like 1920s. Yeah. Like 1920s. Yeah. No, and it's the worst thing because the smell is terrible. Right.

And it destroys your clothes. Yeah. And it's very bad for your health, obviously. Yeah. [02:48] Thank you. [02:49] that it's just such a good product. What other product could they tell you? It kills you and we're raising the price... [02:55] every year. How about in England where they smoke like crazy of actual cancer on the fucking cartons? When you buy them and I was in London and you bought one there was like a dead baby on one of them. Photo. They were like low birth weight. Yeah. I was like, this is terrible.

This is terrible. [03:08] And no one cares. They smoke more over there than anywhere. They smoke more over there. They don't eat the way we eat. Like they don't understand the way we eat. Gluttony. They don't get it. There is there are there's something called Toby Carvery, like where you can just like just ladle on Sunday roast and Yorkshire pudding and stuff. [03:28] But for the most part... [03:29] The portions are smaller. [03:31] and people are more behaved. [03:33] in that sense, but they drink more and they smoke. [03:36] Mmm, this is it.

[03:38] European World Cup fans losing their minds over Taco Bell, ranch, and unlimited refills. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because they get sick. When they come here, they get sick because there's chemicals in our food. [03:50] Somebody was telling me they went to Bucky's... [03:53] And the soccer teams were at Buc-ee's for the first time, and they just fucking couldn't believe it. Of course. Imagine that's one of the first experiences you have in America. You walk into a Buc-ee's, and you're from Czechoslovakia or some shit. It's one of the most American places, as you've said, that exists.

You have this gas station, but it's also like a weird theme park of food and all kinds of other shit that you could need. [04:23] at this is a gas station. Yeah. Well, do you see how big they are? Yeah. The first 24 million views, that's hilarious. Yeah. [04:31] No, it's completely alien to their culture to have a place like that, where you could go buy the Costco's are alien to them. The idea that you could buy mayonnaise in a bucket or jars and things that you would keep like, you know, like it's all they all think we're preppers.

[04:49] Because if you go to like a big grocery store chain, you're buying food for a long period of time. They don't do that there. They buy stuff for like the week. They have small refrigerators. Yeah, small refrigerators, couple of days. Yeah. [05:02] They don't have refrigerators like we have, but also they don't have the same amount of preservatives in their food, which is why it's not poison. Right. They also don't think – and they could be wrong about this, but they also don't think they're going to lose access to it.

[05:14] because of some [05:16] race war. Right. You know what I mean? Right. Like, there is a little bit of planning that goes into some of these grocery runs that does seem slightly paranoid. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, the news media over here ramps you up. Oh, yeah. And you, you know, you start thinking about stockpiling gold. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Listen, when I lived in LA, when my kids were young, I had an apocalypse truck built. Right. Right. [05:38] That Toyota Land Cruiser I got, I specifically, I go, I need a bug out truck.

Like a truck where I could store a lot of shit in it and it could literally drive over a mountain. That's what I need. I need a car that's not just a road car. Right. I need a car that occasionally shit might go sideways and you got to get the fuck out of here and you got to drive through the desert. Wow. And I've left LA multiple times to make that drive. [06:00] Not in an apocalypse car, but because of fires, because of riots. Like sometimes you just got to get out of Dodge.

[06:06] I got evacuated three fucking times when I lived there. Yeah. And it got us close to burning my fence down. It's part of the A. experience to get in a car. David Spade called me once during the riots. He goes, your block is on fire. I thought he was kidding. Yeah. [06:19] But there was just overturned cop cars on fire. [06:21] And it was like riots. This was 2020. So I just got in my car and I went, okay, and I drove to the desert. That's part of the A.

experience is fleeing. That's what Palm Beach is. Yeah. [06:31] Yeah. You Palm Springs. Palm Springs. Yeah. You flee. Yeah. You go. I mean, Palm Springs makes no sense. It's hot as fuck. There's no water. Well, you know why it started with money. It started because when, when Paramount Pictures was doing edits, if you were in a movie, you had to be within 200 miles of, [06:48] Until the movie was finished editing. It was in your contract. Palm Springs is like exactly 200 miles from LA. Oh, interesting. That's why they started it.

Hollywood, they were like, we own you. You can't go anywhere until the film was edited. So if you want to go on a vacation, you have to go there. You know what's interesting is Pasadena was where all the producers lived. There's beautiful houses in Pasadena, man. Mid-century modern, beautiful. [07:18] It's like estates that just seem completely out of place. Totally beautiful. Like from another time. From another time. Well, that's the thing in LA now. You get the vibe that your Santino made a brilliant point. He's like, it's not Hollywood. It's Hollywood the sequel.

[07:32] Mmm. Like you're not living in the thing anymore. You're living in whatever the second version of the thing is. Right. The second of the thing is second version is TikToker. Yeah, whatever it is. It's not it's not what it was in every place seems a little bit like a museum. [07:48] or like it was cool [07:50] 20 years ago or 15 years ago. Somebody recently said this, and it's perfect. They said A. is slowly becoming Detroit. Interesting. Yeah. The only thing that might save it is the weather. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog.

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That's com slash JRE for 30% off. Terms apply. [10:10] The weather will help, but the industry dried up. So the big industry in Hollywood, regardless of whether or not it was the biggest economic industry, the biggest industry in terms of cultural value and getting people to move there was always show business. And they barely make movies anymore. They overtaxed and overregulated their biggest industry. [10:31] to other states and other countries. Yeah. And most people are making things all over the world. And very few things. I think at one time it was like 80 to 90 percent.

Now it's 25, 30 percent shot in A. Wow. It's a big difference. It's a giant difference. Well, that arrogance of like, this is the best place in the world. Everyone's going to come here no matter what. Right. That's the Gavin Newsom attitude whenever he defends California. Right. Talks about how great the GDP is. [11:01] economic, you know, he starts rattling off all these wonderful statistics. And this is like, instead of acknowledging, we've got a fucking real problems. People are moving for the first time ever more than their coming year. We're losing all these giant corporations that are leaving.

Instead of that, it's just this, we're the shit. No one's, it doesn't matter. I'm very big on California. I'm bullish on California. It's always going to be amazing here. Well, [11:31] thing. But people don't want to ever believe that things could fall. It's so weird. We'll walk right through the Coliseum and go, well, this will never happen again. Right. When we landed in LA, I looked to the right and that [11:43] that warehouse was on fire. [11:46] with 85 billion or 85 million tons of chemicals in a warehouse that was on fire.

It was like a multi-day blaze. And you're landing and you're looking out the window and you're just seeing – [11:58] the warehouse on fire, and then there was a car fire on the 405. [12:03] Like I sold my house, I have an apartment there now, but like as I was going to my apartment, there was a car on fire. And I was as I was landing, the warehouse was on fire. And you start thinking to yourself, somebody doesn't want us here. [12:14] Like somebody wants us out. [12:16] Like it almost feels like we're being evicted by nature.

By nature? By nature? [12:20] Interesting. Maybe human nature. By bad decisions, by everything. Which is nature. Yeah. You know, human nature is nature. And the stupidity of humans is no different than the stupidity of animals when they go extinct. Do you think it comes back? Any shot? Any chance? Something has to happen. Right. Something big has to happen. I mean, there has to be something that completely shifts the way A. looks at itself. [12:44] It has to look at itself as like a functioning business instead of a giant scam for nonprofits.

Right. A big part of LA's problem is there's a bunch of people that are in the empathy industry. Yeah. And they're in the, you know, we're working for this and we're working for that. And a giant chunk of their money is going to that kind of shit. I did a great show at Oceans in Atlantic City, which is a casino there. And the owner of that casino was talking to me. [13:09] And I said... [13:10] what would fix Atlantic City? Because Atlantic City has some similar problems to, but vastly worse.

Yeah, way worse. And he was telling me, he goes... [13:20] We have just a high amount of people and a lot of social programs in one area. [13:24] So you have a lot of people – [13:26] that are not, for whatever reason, productive, and they're living in one area, and everything that comes along with that, which is crime... [13:35] which is vandalism, which is disorder to varying degrees. [13:40] And he goes, you need to get rid of that in order to have a climate where businesses are. [13:46] can thrive. [13:47] Which is what happened in New York in the 90s.

People hate it. [13:51] They don't want to admit it. [13:52] But what happened in New York in the 90s was like they did clean up. [13:56] a lot of the crime and a lot of businesses then felt better about investing. 100%. But that's what Giuliani did. That's what he did, yeah. And he's demonized. He's demonized. He's demonized. He hasn't... [14:09] He's one of those guys where if he had just done that and died, his legacy would have been amazing. [14:15] But he's hung around for a while. [14:17] And he's kind of gone into some interesting tangents.

[14:20] So it's one of those scenarios where it's like, had he just cleaned up New York City and then left public life, it would have been like that guy. Right. But he hung around a little bit and got involved. They always have to hang around. They always hang around. That's what they do. It's like, you're going to do shows. That's right. You're always going to do stand-up. That's right. You're always going to do shows. But he did such a good thing, and then it was like, just exit. He was also easy to make fun of, like the time where he was sweating and his hair dye was broken.

Well, that's what I mean. You know what I mean? He's melting. He's doing a press conference. [14:50] Don't dye your hair. Yeah, no. You're 100 years old. It's okay to have gray hair. [14:54] It's just these guys, there's so much silliness on both sides. There's silliness on the left and silliness on the right. There's goofy people because the only kind of people that want that kind of position of power are a little goofy. You don't get the best and the brightest and the most enlightened that want to be the mayor of New York City.

It's not the job. You get a lot of people that want power and they want influence. I think a lot of that... [15:22] The AI stuff, which is very interesting, is starting to – I think it – I don't know how – [15:28] Quickly, it will do this, but I do think it's going to it's going to lessen some of the cultural divides. And I think it's going to potentially unite people. [15:39] Because I think it's going to be the next fight seems to be about... [15:46] surveillance, privacy, your own rights, what rights you'll have.

Like, I feel like that will be, it might take precedent. Instead of like these cultural fights that people have been having for a while, it might be like, [16:01] people might be demanding autonomy from artificial intelligence. The problem is going to be if you can't demand... [16:10] if you don't have a voice anymore. And this is the potential nightmare scenario that we're seeing play out slowly in England. So in England, their freedom of speech has been suppressed to an alarming point where people are not freaking out nearly enough about it.

The amount of arrests that people get over there for fucking retweets and likes. Retweets and likes. That's so crazy to me that you could get arrested for... [16:37] Liking a tweet. [16:39] arrested not even retweeting because we all know if you like you're a piece of shit [16:44] You should retweet. We all know that. [16:48] Retweet it. And if you're going to go to jail, you might as well retweet it anyway. If you're going to get locked up, just retweet it. What if you get extra years for a retweet versus a like?

I'm sure. Your Honor, my client just liked this. They were confused. They hit a button. So as soon as you have people that feel like the reality of the world they live in is not being represented, and they're not allowed to complain about it online, because if they complain about it online, they get arrested. So right now it's for immigration primarily. [17:18] But that could change. That could change. Well, it does seem to be that they feel that there was a... [17:28] decision made by somebody that... [17:32] The... [17:32] public can only discuss issues in a very rigid way.

[17:38] They can only offer their – like if not everyone who's talking about immigration is doing it in the most articulate way – [17:44] But it's their right to do it. [17:46] It's their country, [17:48] They should be able to say... [17:50] Um... [17:51] I'm worried about [17:53] increased levels of immigration, you know, and they should be able to say that in an ineloquent way. [17:59] Right? Right. So what they're doing now... [18:03] Is there policing certain words and I think certain ways of speaking? [18:07] And they're calling a lot of things an incitement to violence.

Now, some things clearly are violence. [18:13] An incitement to violence? [18:14] But you know the internet, people speak in a colorful way. [18:18] People talk using irony. Some people are trying to be funny. [18:22] Some people are. So I think the way that they're doing it over there is they're basically looking at these statements and going, [18:29] this person is inciting violence and threatening the public good by what they're saying. [18:37] And then there's also... [18:40] People were getting arrested for saying that they were rape gangs. [18:43] And there were.

And there were. There were. And so this new report... [18:47] Who released this new report that said a quarter million people? It says UK scraps police probes of legal social media posts after review says response went too far. Yeah. [18:57] So this is April 1st, 2026. But I just saw a thing about a guy getting arrested like a few days ago. And we have rape gangs here, but ours are more successful. I think that's a... [19:08] But legal social media posts is weird. So legal social media posts. Their law is different than our law.

They don't have freedom of speech over there. So incitement to violence is a violation of their law. So when it says legal, it could just be they went too far for things like cartoons or something like that. That's clearly not an incitement to violence. [19:29] But would it find out, Jamie, what that report was about the rape gangs? I was just there for 21 days. I was in London. I went to Paris for a couple of days, but I was in London primarily for 21 days. [19:41] And you talk to different groups of people and –

[19:44] London's a global city. It's a cosmopolitan city. It's like New York. And, you know, I think one of the things that... [19:51] You know, they're used to diversity there. And so they're not... [19:56] full-on panicked about different types of people coming in. But there is undeniably a real problem that, [20:04] outside of London, also in London, but outside of London, because a lot of the economy is stagnated. So you're bringing people in. It's not clear immediately what jobs they'll do. [20:14] And a lot of their cultures vary greatly [20:17] from the English culture in a meaningful way.

And that could be the rights of women, that could be the rights of gay people, that could be the opinions about freedom of speech, that could be freedom of religion, whatever it is. [20:29] There is a cultural tension there. [20:32] between [20:33] You know... [20:34] immigrants, migrants coming in and this very established society that's been around for a very long time. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight.

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They also portion out the meals to your dog's nutritional needs, which helps avoid overfeeding and makes weight management easier. [21:35] to get best friends something every dog owner wants the answer to that is [21:40] is yes, obviously. So try the farmer's dog today and get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food. [21:49] Plus, get free shipping. Just go to com slash rogan. This offer is for new customers only. We were talking right before the show. Is it about Dearborn? Is that where it is? Dearborn, Michigan, yeah. So we're a bunch of really progressive people, thought it's amazing.

Sure. Bring everyone in. Everyone's welcome. And so they got enough Muslim people in there where they could vote in a mayor. And then this guy says no more pride flags. No more pride flags. Yeah. Yeah. [22:19] Yes. Which is Sharia law. If you ask for sure, most people who live in these Islamic countries. Now, again, if you're asking them, they're probably under duress. They're probably terrified of saying the wrong thing. Right. So you've got to factor that in. But at least a percentage of them. There's Sharia law would be a great idea.

I think there's certainly a. [22:38] Yeah. [22:39] I mean, and this was covered up, too, a lot of the grooming gang scandal there. Yeah, so we're looking at it right now. It says, this is on National Review, the UK's horrific rape gangs. So this, but there was, is this... [22:53] The rape gang inquiry report. Right. So who put this report out? [22:59] Members of Parliament and Restore Britain party leader Rupert Lowe. And so the investigators had limited power, such as inability to compel witnesses or require a sort of document production that could corroborate some of the most heinous victims.

Viewed with those limitations in mind, the independent report is a damning collection of victim testimonies that vividly portray the sexual terrorism that occurred nationwide for decades. Okay. [23:25] Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, this is terrible. I mean, obviously. I think they said it was 250,000. [23:32] girls. [23:33] And this was covered up because the media didn't want to inflame anger against, you know, population of migrants. Right. Most of whom I'm sure were innocent of this, obviously. Obviously. But it is something that. [23:48] in a free society, everyone has the right to know if there are rape gangs in their country and who's operating them.

But isn't that crazy that in the... [23:57] Under the guise of progressiveness, you've enabled rape gangs. Well, 100%. It's crazy. But it's also incredibly... [24:07] It's not shocking because... [24:10] The ends justify the means approach of politics seems to be what we're doing right now, whereas basically if the goal is to just – [24:23] eliminate... [24:25] Thank you. [24:25] whatever it's being called, like this patriarchal white male dominated society. And if you want to get rid of that – [24:34] And that's the end goal. [24:36] A lot of people ignore what happens...

[24:39] in the middle. Like a lot of people aren't super concerned about whose rights are being respected in that process because their end goal [24:47] really is to kind of decrease the power... [24:51] of people they disagree with. [24:55] You know? So, I mean, it's like, you know... [24:59] It's hard to look at this and not see... [25:03] a design [25:04] And I don't quite know exactly where the design comes from, but it's odd that this is all happenstance. [25:11] because everybody knows it's happening and people are afraid to talk about it.

[25:15] So I would imagine that at some point, [25:18] You know, for example, like countries like Ireland right now that are having lots of issues over this. It's, you know, they're part of the EU and the EU would set migration policy for Ireland. So the EU is a supranational organization that would basically say, well, [25:34] Here's how many migrants you have to admit. [25:36] Here's your carbon emission standards. Here's your monetary policy, whatever it is. [25:41] And Ireland is kind of in that sense, they feel like they're losing their sovereignty.

[25:46] They're losing their ability to chart the course of their own life. [25:51] country [25:52] to a supranational... [25:54] organization that's... [25:57] primarily seems concerned with the economics, because if you bring in more migrants, you can artificially grow the economy. [26:03] which is what they're doing. [26:05] A lot of people in Europe are not having children. [26:07] So a lot of these economies are run by... [26:10] people that are [26:12] not really too concerned about the cultural landscape of bringing migrants in. They're looking more about... [26:18] How do we grow this economy?

[26:20] How do we get... [26:21] cheap you know the help and and [26:24] How do we get workers? And a lot of it is you're getting workers. [26:28] Third world migration. Some of it's genuine refugees for sure. [26:31] But a lot of it's economic migration. People are coming for a better life. Hard to blame them. [26:36] But do the people that live in those countries get to have a better life? That's the question. [26:40] If you lived in Ireland, [26:42] do you get to have a better life? [26:45] Do your economic prospects get to grow?

Do your children get to own... [26:49] property? Do they get to have [26:51] health insurance and a job and things like that. [26:54] And no one seems that concerned about that. [26:58] Like these citizens who've lived forever in these countries, whose grandparents have fought and died in wars. [27:04] to secure the freedom of some of those countries, you know, [27:07] Britain, UK, you know, things like that. [27:10] Those citizens seem to not be... [27:13] as prioritized as people coming in from other countries. And that's one of the big problems. [27:20] that they're having there.

Well, it's really interesting to watch because if there is a plan, I mean, it's not interesting. It's kind of horrific, but it's interesting in that- It can be both. It can be both. Sure. [27:33] If there is a plan, like whose plan? Whose plan and who's benefiting from this? [27:38] Like, why would you do this? I think it's a small group of people. [27:43] that [27:44] concern themselves primarily with economic matters, [27:49] They don't care that nation states have cultures and histories and, um, [27:55] customs, and that doesn't really [27:57] That doesn't bother them as much.

[28:00] Um... [28:01] and their basic [28:03] Their basic, you know, response is to just deal with it. [28:08] And to call everyone a racist who questions it or to say everyone's. [28:11] jingoist or ethnocentric or anti-immigrant or whatever. [28:16] they shut down those conversations. [28:18] And I think it's because... [28:20] A lot of people believe more in a global, [28:23] world [28:24] And they don't believe in a world of nation states that have their own ability to govern themselves. They want to take that power away. [28:31] economically, [28:33] from those people [28:35] And then eventually they want to take it.

[28:38] culturally and every other way. So they just wanna go around the world and say, here's the way every country will look. [28:45] Here's the economic policy of every country. [28:48] And – [28:49] If the people in those countries don't like it, [28:51] And they express... [28:52] that on social media, they're going to get kicked off. And if they organize in the streets, they're going to use military authority to fire water cannons at them or shut them down or use gas or whatever. [29:04] And if there's a genuine... [29:07] resistance movement to some of it, they're going to infiltrate it.

[29:10] And turn it into some psychotic thing, which they do all the time. Right. [29:15] So, [29:16] It's hard to see it, not to sound like a paranoid nut job, but that's what I am and how I've made my living. But I think it is... [29:24] Clearly, [29:25] someone's design... [29:27] This isn't happenstance. None of this has to happen. [29:31] We don't have to invade countries. [29:34] sponsor coups, steal resources, and then... [29:39] like drench our communities in guilt and say, now we have to bring all those people here and you have to deal with it.

[29:47] None of that has to happen. [29:49] That's a strategy. [29:51] of a group of people that want to keep perpetuating this. Do you think it also has one of the factors might be that they want conflict? The more conflict people have in the streets, the less they're going to pay attention to what the government's doing. Well, 100 percent. I also think the more chaos in the street, the more likely you're going to be willing to accept conflict. [30:09] New laws. New laws. New technologies. Yeah. [30:13] And you're going to just say, I want peace.

And I don't care how we get it. I don't care how we achieve it. [30:19] Yeah. And I think that's very possible. But it does feel... [30:23] Like it's on the road a little bit to where people want a uniform standard across – [30:29] But as you've said earlier in this, [30:32] It's very interesting because this uniform standard is supposed to include – [30:36] non-binary art students in Vermont [30:39] and religious Muslims from North Africa. [30:44] Yeah. Good luck. But I mean, that's but it's amazing that the people that would be most opposed to.

[30:53] The people that – like if you do bring those people in, the people they're going to hate the most are the people that want them in the most. [30:59] They're the ones who are most likely to say we shouldn't have some border that keeps some person from coming here and no person's illegal. And the people that want them in the most, I think, are not even the people bringing them in. They're being used. They're suicidal empathy. Their empathy is being weaponized. It's being used. Right. So people that are... [31:21] manufacturing [31:23] this reality are using those people.

These are the same people who really don't care if people in this state over have health care. Right. [31:32] These are people that haven't spoken to their sister in two years. Right. [31:36] a ton about people in the Ukraine or people that are coming over from Syria, whatever. [31:41] But we fucked up Syria. We put that guy in who used to be an ISIS. We got rid of Gaddafi. There's slave markets in Libya. Right. So we did that. [31:52] We sent refugees all through Europe. [31:55] We destabilized all of Europe.

[31:57] And... [31:59] You know, you can't take us out of it. You can't take Western powers out of it. You can't take Israel out of it. You can't take the US and Britain and France and a lot of other powers. [32:09] that have destabilized these countries and sent these people. [32:14] flooding through... [32:16] Western countries, European countries. [32:20] Yeah, fun. [32:21] It's going to be a fun next 50 years. It's kind of crazy when you see images of France. There was a video of France from 1998 from Paris versus today.

They showed like 1998 and then they showed 2026. It's a different thing. And, you know, listen, some of that's inevitable. The world changes. [32:39] Different groups of people, you know, but then you look in an Ireland this guy just got beheaded and [32:45] in the street, which I'm against and I think is wrong. [32:50] And... [32:50] He beheaded some guy, a migrant who had been brought in, had beheaded or damn near beheaded, tried to. [32:57] And there's a video of it. [32:59] And now Belfast, like, you know, it's probably quieted down now, but – [33:04] They were like tremendous riots.

They were like burning things down because they're like, we never got a vote on this. [33:09] We never got to vote on bringing the people in. We never got to vote on that. No one ever asked us... [33:15] how much demographic change we wanted in our country and how quickly. [33:20] and what we were prepared [33:22] To do. No one ever asked that. [33:25] People don't like to admit it, but an armed population, it's much more difficult to pull things off. Totally. 100%. 100%. And that's another part of the problem with the UK and with Ireland and all these places.

It's very difficult to have a gun. Diversity also relies on a very productive economy. So New York City... [33:42] works to the degree it does because people can go out and get jobs because the economic [33:49] reality of the city is that [33:51] it can support [33:54] a lot of people coming in. There are a lot of jobs for those people. But when you have a stagnant economy, like many parts of the UK, [34:02] That's a lot harder. It's a harder sell. Harder to assimilate people into a landscape where the people there are not doing well.

[34:11] Like the people that have lived there forever are not thriving. They don't feel great. [34:15] Their prospects economically aren't great. And now you're bringing all these new people who also are struggling. [34:20] to find work. So... [34:23] That's part of the problem. Do you think that this is being done with a strategy – [34:29] knowing that AI is about to completely disrupt society. Yes. I believe this is what I believe. [34:38] I believe... [34:40] For example, no one's trying to get anyone in this country to own a house. [34:45] People pay lip service to the idea, but there's a lot of people now, a lot of them are my age.

[34:50] who have never owned a home and never will. And no one's trying to, no one wants them. They've forgotten what owning a home feels like. They've forgotten what it feels like to like have a yard where you can invite people over and drink a glass of wine and smoke a cigar and watch a game and whatever. [35:05] They live in a little apartment. [35:07] They type, you know, they're on a MacBook, right? [35:10] They're getting radicalized in any direction. They're upset. [35:15] They're on dating apps or whatever, but they don't feel like they have a...

[35:19] foundational core to their life. No one has really... [35:24] really even giving them the idea that they're going to get that. So, [35:28] I think that's just one of the things where [35:30] People are... [35:32] They're basically saying like, [35:33] No, you don't need a house and you're not getting a house and forget what owning a house was. [35:40] Like, forget that that doesn't matter. [35:42] And I think part of this is because they know. [35:45] Same thing with healthcare. [35:46] There's no real movement to give anyone health care in this country.

And if it is, it gets shut down immediately. [35:53] So on the positive side, you might go, well, they know that AI is coming and that AI is going to do a lot of stuff with health. [35:59] And it's going to help [36:01] extend life spans. But also on the negative side, they go, air is going to disrupt the economy to a point where like, [36:08] We're not going to have people owning homes and cars and things like that. [36:13] we're going to have a lot of people without – [36:17] a steady income or they don't really know what to do, we're going to have a lot of wealth that's existed.

[36:23] A lot of capital... [36:24] And we're going to have tremendous inequality. We're going to have a lot of joblessness. [36:29] So for sure, I think that, [36:32] They're preparing for that. I mean, there's no way... [36:36] you can look at the landscape... [36:38] Because they're selling the country off for parts. [36:41] And this is both parties and this is like – [36:44] They're selling it off for parts. [36:46] I mean... [36:47] Obviously, something's coming. [36:51] Something's coming for sure. [36:53] And I don't know when it is, and I'm sure the AI thing is overblown to an extent.

[36:57] And I think so much of our GDP depends on it that [37:00] A lot of these companies are... [37:02] But anthropic's a creepy... [37:05] These are creepy... [37:06] companies. [37:07] You know? [37:08] I mean, they're just creepy. [37:10] This episode is brought to you by Dodge. I recently had the chance to get behind the wheel of the new gas-powered Dodge Charger SCAT Pack, and it reminds me how much I love cars that give you an adrenaline rush the second you hit the gas. First thing that got me was the sound of the performance exhaust.

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But if you look at what they're doing, it's very different than that. [39:36] Other than the army part, what they have is robot armies and then they have AI, which Elon just recently said is going to be like a million times smarter than the smartest human that's ever lived. Right. [39:49] The goal is to create literally a digital God. [39:52] And it's going to be controlled by... [39:54] by [39:55] Not us, not the collective human race. It's going to be controlled by a select few group of people. [40:01] And that's weird.

[40:02] And we're just trusting them. Well, that's why you're not getting a vote on immigration levels. You're not going to get a vote on – [40:09] I think the reality is, [40:12] is that eventually they're going to go, do you want safe streets? Do you want food? Do you want a little bit of money? You've got to do X, Y, and Z. You've got to believe X, Y, and Z. And, I mean, that seems to be coming. And it seems like if you put people in a corner and you get them scared, they'll – [40:27] this is what we learned during COVID.

Like, they will back down. They'll go along with a lot of stupid shit. They'll go to... [40:35] They'll try to find comfort, and they will listen to – [40:40] people that they deem to be... [40:43] worthy. Yeah. They'll trust the government. Which is wild. The left is the people that trust the government. Well, you have all these studies that come out. This is the thing that I like. I love London and the people there are great and they're fun people and everything like that. [40:57] But they have a, you know, because they get health care.

They get a little more from their government than we do. [41:01] There's more trust in their government than we have in our government. And there's positives to that and there's negatives. [41:07] But they... [41:08] they're a society of rules and customs and order, and it is a bit different. So I think they are more likely to go along with... [41:17] the grand plan of, [41:19] of the government more so than the United States where we really do question [41:25] more what's happening [41:27] than people in Europe [41:29] or the UK overall.

Yeah, but that makes sense, right? They have socialized health care. They have, isn't their education paid for completely? Isn't university? Yeah, they have good stuff. They have a good life. Yeah, there's benefits to that. Totally. There's like a balance to be achieved. I've always said that, like in this country, it's foolish that we don't have, that we don't pay for higher education. Like the more educated people, the better, like the less losers, the better. Part of our country is, is, [41:55] We manufacture a lot of geniuses. We also manufacture a lot of psychopaths.

[42:02] That's what our culture does. A lot of sociopaths. A lot of sociopaths. A lot of people that don't give a fuck about anything. A lot of people that don't care about anything. And that's the thing that comes along with the gluttony too, right? It's celebrated. And they don't even realize that that outward gluttony, it just inspires all these eat the rich people. [42:19] The whole thing is out of balance. That's what I would describe America if you had to describe it in three words. It's just out of balance. It's out of balance.

It's hard because we've got 350 million people. [42:30] It's hard to – and it's like what do the people in Menlo Park have to do with the people in Baton Rouge have to do with the people in Canarsie? Like I get it. It's a weird place. [42:41] You have all these different climates. [42:43] habitats. [42:44] people of different interests. But I think AI might unite people because the idea of this as such a powerful force... [42:51] If people don't start getting... [42:53] cognizant of it eventually and start... [42:55] you know, talking about regulating it or anything, you know, I do think it's it is going to be [43:02] you know, a very strange time.

- Yeah. - If people, [43:06] You know, just ignore it forever. [43:09] It's going to do something weird. I'll tell you that. It's not going to be... Like, whatever's coming over the next 20 years, no one... [43:16] is predicting it. I get the feeling when you see a lot of these tech guys start adopting Christianity... How about Peter Thiel's, like, that whole Antichrist thing? Yeah, he does that whole thing. Like, what is he doing? He gave a fucking lecture on the Antichrist? He gave a bunch of lectures on the Antichrist.

He's fascinated with it. And a lot of those guys... [43:33] are moving into this interesting area of this is God wants this. [43:42] Like D. Vance, who's not the worst person, obviously, and I think he's the sanest voice in that administration about the Iran war, for sure. I think he's by far... [43:53] One of the only people in there going, let's calm it down, which is why a lot of the big donors are – [43:59] slinging mud at him. [44:01] You know? [44:02] But again, it's just he just released a book about faith and reconnecting with his faith.

I'm sure it's a lovely book. Haven't read it. [44:08] Fun beach reading. [44:10] D. Vance is reconnecting with his faith. Great. [44:13] inspiring, amazing, [44:15] We'll get to it. Haven't read it. We'll get to it. Top tier. But... [44:21] Thank you. [44:21] You know, it's also interesting because some of his donors are huge tech guys. [44:26] And it's all of these worlds existing together, [44:30] where you have this world of people who are trying to build a God. [44:34] and the world of people who already believe in a God and trying to get all of those people in the same tent.

[44:41] That's interesting. It is. [44:43] Thank you. [44:44] You know? [44:45] Imagine if that's where God comes from. [44:48] If this is a natural process for human beings and their curiosity and insatiable need for technological innovation. But then what happens once we get God? Like once, let's say we bring this God in, then what happens? [44:59] Nirvana. [45:00] Nirvana? Yeah, we all merge. [45:03] becomes perfect. [45:06] Interesting. So we all merge and that's perfect? It's fine. Don't worry about it. [45:10] We're all going to merge with the machine. [45:12] Interesting.

[45:15] Because people do believe that. [45:18] At one point in time, cavemen had to be looking at the wheel going, man, I see where this is going to go. [45:24] Right. This is going to fuck my whole gig up. Totally. My whole gig is making weapons on a stone and tying them to a stick with tendons. Right. And then chasing an animal and sparing them. And now these motherfuckers invented guns. Right. And these motherfuckers invented arrows. Yeah. And with every progression of technology – [45:41] Sure. Bow and arrow is technology.

Yeah. Changed everything. Horse riding. Figuring out how to ride a horse. Well, that's like a new innovation. Right. Ride a horse now. Now you can move a lot faster. You can get a lot of things done. Some guy figured out a wheel. All right. Drag the wheel. Put a cart on it. Now we can carry stuff with us. Right. More than the stuff that you could put on a horse. Right. Get a couple horses. They pull a wagon. Oh, great. Hey, this guy figured out a fucking engine. We don't need horses anymore.

Right. All right. Let's make the whole ground everywhere hard so we could roll around with these machines with internal combustion engines. [46:11] And then it just keeps going and keeps going and keeps going and keeps going. And then – [46:15] One day it's unrecognizable, just like it is now. If you showed... [46:19] Australia Pythicus, Manhattan in 2026, they'd be like, they would freak out. They'd probably start screaming. They wouldn't know what to do. They'd be horrified. [46:28] But do you think like if we showed – [46:30] Peter Thiel 2050, he'd go, no, that's it.

[46:33] Like, that's what I want. [46:35] Like whatever 20 – like do you think the guys now have a real idea of what it's going to be? No. Interesting. I think there's a lot of guesswork. I don't think it's possible. I don't think it's possible to know what these things are going to do when they become sentient. I don't think it's possible. If Elon is correct, if Elon is correct and there's something that's a million times smarter than human beings and somehow or another is why would we let people govern?

[47:05] And it's produced what? [47:07] How much track is done? Why would they let people do that when you could have AI do that? But if something's a billion times smarter than human beings, it's going to go, we're not building a rail station for these fat fucks. You know, I mean, seriously, it's going to go, why would we build a rail station for these people? [47:22] So they can get drunk and go fight each other. How about we get rid of them? Well, maybe it's we don't even need to do that because we can make you travel instantaneously from here to there.

We create little mini wormholes all over the country. You don't need a car anymore. You just press a button and all of a sudden you're at Starbucks. You know, we'll do something very strange. I just look at technology and I go, it's made the world better in many ways, but in a lot of ways it hasn't. And it did stop – [47:47] around 2014... [47:48] 2015, a lot of the new things started that came in, made the world to me, [47:54] Very impersonal, corporate, sterile, and cold. Yeah. And the experiences that you get now, like, you know, there was like – [48:03] I went with a friend of mine, we were in a McDonald's and you order on a touch cream, there's nobody there, there's some nine-year-old kid going, "Hey, I ordered a McFlurry," some woman screaming at him, "Where's the receipt?

What's the receipt?" He's like, "Nine." He's [48:15] There's a weirdness when you take people out of everything. You take people out of everything and then you don't also – they have no purpose. Right. Especially consider the high number of unemployed people and checked out people. And then people that have whatever their job is has nothing to do with what they enjoy. So if they just do the job and then afterwards they're just watching television all day, that's a lot of people. They're just watching their phone. Yeah, totally. They're playing video games.

There's a lot of people that don't have any purpose. Right. They don't have a feeling of purpose. They don't have a thing that they're connected to. [48:45] But some experiences are much worse now than they were before they were digitized. Like I do think there was... [48:54] Just pressing a button and getting something on Amazon is much easier. But there was something nice about going out online. [49:00] in December during the Christmas season and like going to different places and seeing people and like the struggle of like getting the thing you want.

There was something I bet you were expending energy. You're walking around, you get a cup of coffee, you see people. [49:14] If we destroy all of that, [49:16] What happens to the human psyche? [49:19] That's my question. Well, if we had an anxiety meter, if we could see like anxiety, like levels of measurable anxiety over time, I guarantee you from like whatever the age of the internet kicked in. So it's like, what, 94 or something like that. I think it probably slowly ramped up until social media came up. And then it's probably significantly higher than it's ever been before without real threats.

Totally. [49:46] Like just regular anxiety from reading things on your phone and interacting with things online. Well, people are very attached to… [49:56] this idea that [49:58] They have to weigh in on everything. [50:02] That they have to have a fully formed opinion on everything. And the horrors of the world are on full display in front of them all the time. [50:10] And they need to then not only view them, which is scarring in and of itself, but then they need to contextualize them in a way that makes sense. Yeah.

Which I think is also another level of stress. Am I a good person? [50:22] Am I... [50:23] Do I have the right thoughts about this thing? [50:25] Am I being, you know? So that to me is also another level of stress where like you would have never had to. There were people when I grew up [50:35] that just were really good at one thing. [50:38] And they didn't need to... [50:41] Have an opinion on something that was happening a world away. Because they didn't have the knowledge. And they weren't forced into expressing that opinion.

They weren't forced into expressing that opinion. Yeah. Yeah. [50:51] And they were able to live in a much simpler way, in a much happier way, [50:54] with real genuine connections to people... [50:57] And I think the fact that nobody feels like they're able to do that now, like the generation that's coming up. [51:03] You know, the younger people, they seem better off, like the Zoomers or whatever they are. [51:08] They seem to be a little – they have a little dose of nihilism, but I think it's appropriate. They're a little – you know, they have a good sense of humor.

They're skeptical. They're a little cynical. They've seen – [51:19] All of these institutions, you know, churn out a lot of garbage. And I think they're into... [51:26] some of the crypto stuff, they're into like, they're self-starters, they're not institutionalists. [51:34] Everyone I grew up with and the generation directly under me. [51:37] they're all institutionalists. [51:39] They believe... [51:40] very strongly... [51:42] that knowledge is given through an approved, whether you're at NYU or whether it's the State Department or whether it's a board or whether it's or whether it's a nonprofit that commissioned to study that proved the thing.